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Hate to add to the prove binners wrong gang but at the start of lockdown when I was examining langleyfelach tunnel shaft I'm sure I saw some burka in a Tesco, I can't remember if it was Swansea or on my way there, but there was a burka.
If I was Keir Starmer I’d turn up for next weeks PMQ’s in a burka, just to see what she does
Has anyone ever actually seen anyone wearing a full burka in the UK? I lived in a predominantly Asian/Muslim area for years and I haven’t
Yes. I lived in Leicester until 2 years ago. It is common there.
I hate to appear to stick up for binners but i don’t recall ever seeing a burka, in Harrods or otherwise. “Burka bans” and the like are mainly performative, since the number of wearers is vanishingly small
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/24118241.amp
Has anyone ever actually seen anyone wearing a full burka in the UK?
Full burka no, but you often see the niqab with just the eyes showing, around Cheetham Hill in Manchester.
Similar to Ossify; burka unusual but I have seen them; many think the burka is actually what is really a niqab and that is reasonably common around parts of Woking, near where I live, or SW London where I work.
Harrods may not be representative of 'the UK' in this respect because so many wealthy tourists / visitors from the gulf states go there - with their burka/niqab wearing wives.
Plenty in Blackburn, although as said above it's mostly the niqab
I’ve seen plenty of people wearing niqab’s but the whole burka thing was quite specific, both from Badanoch and that Reform idiot
I’m presuming this is aimed at the leafy daily mail reading suburbs, where the population is 98.5% white, but they’ve read the stuff on Twitter telling them that parts of Birmingham are ‘no go areas’ for whites
Kemi does seem to rely on social media for most of her ‘news’
“Burka bans” and the like are mainly performative, since the number of wearers is vanishingly small
Well that's obviously the point of picking on a small number of people. Nice and easy.
I’ve seen plenty of people wearing niqab’s but the whole burka thing was quite specific, both from Badanoch and that Reform idiot
I totally agree. I live in an area with a large Muslim population, I sometimes socialise with Muslims due to my support for Palestine, and I have attended meetings in my local mosque that "the sisters" have attended in large numbers. Burkas are not something which I see although I do occasionally women wearing niqabs.
But if Farage and Badenoch mean niqab then they should say niqab, not burka.
I’ve seen Niqab’s, though hardly in numbers - you do if you live in the North West of England - but I’ve never seen a full burka. Unlike Kemi apparently. Though I’d certainly question the legitimacy of that claim
I presume this is just aimed at the leafy home counties suburbs, which are 98.5% white, but where very comfortably off, gullible boomers believe the made up nonsense they read about parts of Birmingham being ‘no go areas’ for whites.
To be fair, Kemi does seem to rely on Twitter as her only ‘news’ source. Maybe she should consider changing that, she won’t, obviously.
This is obviously all part of her doomed mission to our-Farage Farage.
She’ll be booted out in a couple of months, then Honest Bob will try to do the same, and fail just the same
Don’t know why my edited post reposted as a new one there
I work in Bradford and don't see many Burka's. Niqab's are fairly common though. The Burka wearers probably aren't allowed out of the house often.
Not even for a constituency surgery with Kemi Badanoch?
Have to wonder how much longer Badenoch will when be around as Tory leader. No one's even listening to her in reality and that's her issue, she's largely irrelevant. She/the Tories have been completely outflanked by Reform. As much as I detest the Tory party I think I'd still sooner they be Labours main rival for power than Reform.
Never seen a burka/niqab but that’s nae surprise given I live in rural Galloway, I imagine the sight of one in this retirement zone for wealthy tories would lead to a mass hysteria event, and hopefully a few heart attacks
I hate to appear to stick up for binners but i don’t recall ever seeing a burka, in Harrods or otherwise.
Sorry, I was confused between burka and niqab. Also never seen a Birka but have seen many niqabs.
I work in Bradford and don't see many Burka's. Niqab's are fairly common though. The Burka wearers probably aren't allowed out of the house often.
Was a burka* wearing mum running around a play ground after her kids in sunny Buckinghamshire yesterday afternoon, not something I see every day admittedly but it's not every day that I get to go down to the park with my grandson.
* Definitely a Burka with mesh over her eyes, but I admit to having to check the correct terminology
Not even for a constituency surgery with Kemi Badanoch?
Seen it mentioned, probably on this thread tbh that she hasn't held a surgery for 4 years.
What's Kemi going to do when the inquiry into the original inquiry is a cut and paste of the original because all of the inquiring has already been done?
Ask for an inquiry into the inquiry into the original inquiry?
Anything to keep the pot boiling, obviously. Mind you, it is a rhetorical question really. She'll be long gone and a mere footnote in British politics. A pub quiz answer.
It takes some serious front to be asking for a new inquiry when you were part of the government that implemented…. *checks notes* … absolutely none of the 22 recommendations of the last inquiry.
I wonder which other groups she’ll suddenly be developing a newfound concern for that she couldn’t give a toss about when she was actually in power, as part of the government?
A quite eyebrow-raising article in the Times by Kemi. Finger on the political pulse, as ever. It’s proper, full-on, tinfoil-helmet nonsense, including this gem…
That’s why we need to be clear: supporting Israel is not just right — it is necessary for our own national security. Israelis are at the front line in the fight for the West and for our shared values.
She doesn’t specify which particular shared values? Genocide? Starving people to death? Bombing hospitals?
I haven’t seen anything yet to indicate that Iran has an effective ICBM system that can reach the U.K., and I don’t think that we would be a priority target for it, seeing as how it was Diaper Don who took it upon himself to directly bomb Iranian targets.
Although, I do have to say I’m bloody impressed that the Americans actually carried out the operation, including the dummy one, using so many aircraft, and heavy bunker-busting weapons that had never been used in action before, so accurately, and without anyone actually realising the B2’s were even on their way!
If nothing else comes out of this, it should indicate to Putin that he’s maybe not as invulnerable as perhaps he imagines.
She doesn’t specify which particular shared values? Genocide? Starving people to death? Bombing hospitals?
I'd like to see a proper interviewer take her to task on that.
She doesn’t specify which particular shared values? Genocide? Starving people to death? Bombing hospitals?
I'd like to see a proper interviewer take her to task on that.
Proper british values those. Kenya? Boer war?: Irish famine? Not sure we bombed any hospitals but we certainly used starvation as a weapon and got a bit genocidal at times. Irish population halved after the famine
We did turn Dresden into a fire ball, and carpet bombed a fair few other cities, I expect a few hospitals went up then as well.
We did turn Dresden into a fire ball, and carpet bombed a fair few other cities, I expect a few hospitals went up then as well.
Yeah WW2 was a nasty war fought between very powerful armies and all sides involved undoubtedly have moral questions to answer.
But what is specifically being discussed is what does Kemi Badenoch mean when she talks about "shared values" with Israel ?
I think TJ might be onto something when he makes the comparison between Israeli "values" today, in 2025, and British values during the colonial era when Britain was taking land from indigenous peoples to colonise.
I understand that Hamburg was specifically targeted with a higher mix of incendiaries because it was known to be a traditional port city with a higher proportion of wooden buildings.
But, as Ernie says, WW2 was a horrendously nasty war and it truly was a fight for existential survival for the majority of participants. The main exception being the US.
Badenoch just spouts whatever nasty nonsense comes into her head because she still thinks she can win back nasty voters from Reform. And she knows she's a goner in 18 months tops anyway.
Horrendous things were done in WW2 by all sides, but in a very different point in culture and attitudes to what Israel is doing now. (And the Hamas attack was also horrendous. Two wrongs etc)
I understand that Hamburg was specifically targeted with a higher mix of incendiaries because it was known to be a traditional port city with a higher proportion of wooden buildings.
See also Lübeck, my Mum's home town, which was the first to be targeted by a mass bombing raid and chosen for the same reason.
Apparently Kemi did a 45 minute interview with the BBC this week. No… I didn’t watch it either.
It seems that the only thing of note to take from it was when she proudly recalled dobbing someone in at school in for cheating in an exam, who was then expelled
Way to go Kemi! A sure-fire vote-winner as famously, everybody loves a grass. Robert Jenrick must have been dancing a little jig on hearing that
Jenrick flashing his anti-immigrant creditentials,by forcing Thought for The Day on Radio4 to apologise, Philp stalking the migrant camps of Calais like a dress down Child Catcher from chitty chitty bang bang...........
Its almost as if theres only a few months until Badenochs grace period as leader ends and the 1922 letters can start going in.
I expect a steady increase in Tory batshittery as they play to the grimmest , not least from badenoch herself
I expect a steady increase in Tory batshittery as they play to the grimmest , not least from badenoch herself
They've got nowhere else to go now. Unless they go full 180 and install a non-unhinged leader, they're stuck fishing for the nasty vote against Farage.
And, as Labour are finding, you can't out-nasty Reform.
🤷♂️
To be fair to Badenoch she has managed to get the Tories level pegging with Labour in the latest opinion poll out today
https://findoutnow.co.uk/blog/voting-intention-13th-14th-august-2025/
Jenrick flashing his anti-immigrant creditentials,by forcing Thought for The Day on Radio4 to apologise, Philp stalking the migrant camps of Calais like a dress down Child Catcher from chitty chitty bang bang...........
Its almost as if theres only a few months until Badenochs grace period as leader ends and the 1922 letters can start going in.
I expect a steady increase in Tory batshittery as they play to the grimmest , not least from badenoch herself
Id love to meet jenrick, my knuckles would be red raw by the time I’d finished with him
I hadn't realised that Robert Jenrick's seat had become a marginal, in fact unless the Tories fortunes change dramatically between now and the next general election he is all but certain to lose his seat.
I understand that Hamburg was specifically targeted with a higher mix of incendiaries because it was known to be a traditional port city with a higher proportion of wooden buildings
a few years ago R4 played a broadcast where a reporter went on a bombing raid- which was Hamburg.
He described the planning behind it- there was a team that researched the city and its construction using UK university archives and worked out the tactics behind the bombing.
The first wave would be larger bombs to damage gas (aid any fires) and water pipes (hamper efforts to put them out.
Then the incendiaries- the idea was they ignited the roofs as the spaces were open over many properties.
After these took hold, bigger bombs then were to help boost the flames and any shockwave destroy weakened buildings.
I found it to be an eye opener. I was aware of specialist bombs like bouncing, grand slam, tall boy, my Grandad told me about the phosphorus bombs the Germans used (ignited when water was used to put out nearby fires or uniforms were washed)
I naively thought they just loaded a load of bombs as they felt like it, rather then spent time working out how can we inflict maximum damage.
Great news for Kemi Badenoch, Labour and the Tories are now level pegging in the latest opinion poll :
https://findoutnow.co.uk/blog/voting-intention-17th-september-2025/
"Our new Voting Intention tracker shows Labour on their lowest ever share of the vote"
Obviously it is solely because Sir Keir Starmer has made Labour as unpopular with voters as Kemi Badenoch has made the Tories, but it must nevertheless be hugely reassuring for Badenoch to know that Labour are not in front of the Tories.
Btw support for Labour is now half of what it was when Corbyn was leader and the hard-right in the PLP were in open (and very public) rebellion.
the worry for badenoch is the number of (current & former) MPs defecting to reform
badenoch has 6 weeks? before her protected period is up and the 1922 letters can start being sent/counted
the worry for farage is the number of (current & former) Tory MPs defecting to reform
This too. I mean, vote reform get Tory. Again
the worry for badenoch is the number of (current & former) MPs defecting to reform
Which makes Farage's claim that they are not just the Tories in disguise even harder to run with, if any journalists wanted to mention it
badenoch has 6 weeks? before her protected period is up and the 1922 letters can start being sent/counted
So it’ll be about 2 months until we see Honest Bob across the despatch box at PMQ’s?
I actually hope now that the Tories get a good leader, they might be able to take some chunks out of Reform. It probably needs to be a white bloke though.
Nigel Farage is a white bloke...
It probably needs to be a white bloke though.
It will be, as it’ll be Robert Jenrick. A vile and loathsome little man, straight from Tory tick box casting, who will do his best Farage tribute act, but will inevitably just end up as a low-fat version of him
Kemi’s latest vote-winning wheeze to stop the Tory’s descent into total irrelevance….
*checks notes*….
climate change denial!
Finger on the pulse of the nation, as always Kemi
More vote winning madness
I am also loving her " we will deport 150000 people a year" Like how are you going to do that. Out of her depth in a puddle
As said many times - leaving the ECHR only works for England. Wales, NI and Scotland have it enshrined in their law and for NI also in various international agreements. the only way it could be removed for Scotland would be to close Holyrood as its in the Scotland act that cannot be changed without the consent of both parties. NI I see no way at all of changing it. Not sure about wales
Sure - I meant that its almost impossible for Westminster to disallow it for Scotland NI and I think Wales 🙂
These morons have learnt absolutely nothing. Leaving the ECHR would be exactly the same nonsense as Brexit. The casual 'oh yeah, we'll just leave the EU, it'll be easy'
Then it doesn't survive the first contact with reality, as the true fiendlishly-complicated horror unravells and the laws of unintended consequences kick in big time
Their shit-thick, little-englanders tied this country in knots and sucked up all available political bandwidth for years, while everything else went to shit. Leaving the ECHR would just do the same again.
I can't see too many people, other than the truly hard-of-thinking, having much appetite for that
Russell Findley ( scottish tory leader) talking absolute nonsense about this
"He said that withdrawal from the ECHR was “the only feasible option” to gain full control of UK borders, and that he did not believe the Good Friday Agreement, the UK-EU trade agreement, and the Windsor Framework negotiated to ease post-Brexit trading arrangements, were barriers to leaving the convention. "
"Asked if that meant he didn’t see any “complexities” in unpicking the ECHR from the devolution settlement, Findlay said: “There will be a lot of work to be done generally once this goes through, but it is a credible and detailed plan. "
And from Shona Robison ( SNP)
“The ECHR issue, as you pointed out, has major implications for the Scottish Parliament, where much of our legislation of course incorporates the European Convention of Human Rights.
I can't see too many people, other than the truly hard-of-thinking, having much appetite for that
Sounds like an election winner unfortunately
He said that withdrawal from the ECHR was “the only feasible option” to gain full control of UK borders
To which the only logical reply is "I thought you told us that Brexit was going to sort all that?"
Brexit lies over border control lasted as long as covid started and Italy shut its borders followed by all the other European countries.
There’s not not much more border control than literally just closing your border.
TBH the Tories literally had 15 years to sort the border out and I’m pretty sure in all that time no-one (well the first ten years )literally mentioned leaving the ECHR until Farage and Reform started banging on about it as part of their new grift.
Still I’m sure giving the government full control of your human rights will end well, it’s not like looking at how authoritarian the current labour government are gives any worry to giving even more power to Westminster 🙂
Russell Findley ( scottish tory leader) talking absolute nonsense about this
He’s utterly irrelevant (and an utter ****), little more than a pebble sized doorstop holding a barn door in a storm
These morons have learnt absolutely nothing. Leaving the ECHR would be exactly the same nonsense as Brexit. The casual 'oh yeah, we'll just leave the EU, it'll be easy'
Its just like ignoring Gibraltar,literally took 5 years and
As part of the agreement, the parties agreed that there will eventually be a customs union between the EU and Gibraltar, and will strive for strong cooperation between the respective customs authorities and removing checks on goods. There is also agreement on the principles of indirect taxation to be applied in Gibraltar, including on tobacco – that will avoid distortions and contribute to the prosperity of the whole region.
I can't see too many people, other than the truly hard-of-thinking, having much appetite for that
Perhaps, but since that description aptly, if a little generously, describes a huge percentage of the UK population..... That's probably where we'll end up.
Politicians both sides of the Atlantic have cottoned on to weaponising stupidity.
The biggest irony is we dont need to leave the ECHR to tighten up our immigration controls if that was what we wanted to do. Plenty of other countries have done.
This is worth reading....skewers her weird perspectives
https://thecritic.co.uk/if-somethings-not-working-you-should-stop-it/
The biggest irony is we dont need to leave the ECHR to tighten up our immigration controls if that was what we wanted to do. Plenty of other countries have done.
It’s almost like they’re using immigration as an excuse to remove a huge raft of everyone’s civil rights and any recourse to an external independent legal framework, over which they have no control?
But they wouldn’t be that cynical, would they? That all sounds a bit dictatory?
The biggest irony is we dont need to leave the ECHR to tighten up our immigration controls if that was what we wanted to do.
Yup, precisely. Sir Keir Starmer doesn't believe that it is necessary for the UK to withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights.
The renowned "human rights lawyer" believes that the UK can still remain in the ECHR whilst also ignoring that stuff about prohibiting torture and degrading treatment which apparently bothers Kemi Badenoch :
Speaking to the BBC, Sir Keir said he did not wish to “tear down” human rights protections but insisted that UK courts needed to “look again” at the way Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) – which prohibits torture and degrading treatment – is applied
So what do the hard-of-thinking middle-class liberals think of that.....is it a good idea that Sir Keir Starmer should meet Kemi Badenoch halfway and suggest simply ignoring the awkward human rights stuff in the convention on human rights which they don't like?
According to the link above another leading human rights lawyer, Shami Chakrabarti, doesn't agree, or even see the problem which both Sir Keir Starmer and Kemi Badenoch appear to have identified.
Although to be fair Shami Chakrabarti doesn't have a vested interest in dog whistling like Starmer and Badenoch have. So there's that.
Badenoch will have to do a bit better than cutnpaste MAGA policies shes got her version of ICE ready to get deporting!- Reform have already got that line sewn up
is Jenrick just waiting for the conference to end to do his next leadership contest publicity stunt?
its exactly 1 month before her protected period is up and the letters can start hitting the 1922 cmtee inbox
Countdown for leadership challenge is on at Tory head office. Gone by Christmas.
She's got the chippy, insufferable air of a school prefect. One who had to beg to be made a prefect (everyone else resisted because they knew what she'd be like). But now she is a prefect none of that matters to her.
I bet she's emptied plenty of rooms by walking into them.
Summed up better than I could, and I can think of a few things she’d be better off employed doing than emptying rooms…
The truth is, the reason for the excessive hatred she receives, both on here and in the media is because she has made a stand against identity politics and the BBC, Guardian and the like have been completely captured by filth columnists.
‘filth columnists’? Shirley shome mishtake? But anyway, ‘fifth columnists’? Seriously? You sound like something out of a cheap spy novel. Really. *rolls eyes*
"Conservatives to set out plan for £47bn of cuts to public spending"
I think we can all agree that exactly what the country needs right now. Another heavy dose of austerity.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gzv9j78dyo
TBH I’d not heard about this little Brexit cracker until recently 🙂
https://thecritic.co.uk/explaining-the-boriswave/
another weird part of Brexit actually doing the opposite of what it was proposing.
Its literally the grift that keeps on grifting, it’s creating problems that didn’t need to exist so the government of the day doesn’t have to bother with the other important issues of Cost of living,doctor/dentist appointments etc and now the whole needing of leaving the ECHR.
Thats problebly the next decade tied up in non-work trying to sorting out the mess of leaving the ECHR on top of the Farage Boats and the Boris wave.
^^ Did you post the right link there? I've read most of it and it comes across as more of a Reform UK flyer than anything?
It might have turned it around in the last paragraph or two but I'd stopped reading by then.
In fact, it was set up by people that were in the ERG etc.
If the i is right and theres 12 Jenrick supportes ready to send letters
then she's surely toast as with so few MPs they only need 18! to force a leadership challenge
I think they’ll let her take the rap for appalling local election results in May first, before they hoof her out.
The thing is that Honest Bob is even more of a Farage tribute than she is, so it’s difficult to see yet another leader improving their fortunes much
The thing is that Honest Bob is even more of a Farage tribute than she is
There is the difference she seems to believe in what she says. Honest bob on the other hand has reinvented himself multiple times so will go wherever the crowd leads him.
Very true. If it suited his personal agenda he’d be at a Greenpeace rally next week, protesting about climate change.
Some polling of Tory members from YouGov
Surely everyone except Kemi Badanoch, who’s monumental arrogance means she simply cannot countenance such things, knows that she’s on borrowed time already?
There's absolutely no chance she’ll be Tory leader at the next election. Given their track record, they can probably squeeze another 2 or 3 in before then.
Just watching channel 4 news showing Mel Stride (who is apparently shadow chancellor- who knew?) telling a completely empty hall that they are ‘the party of the future’
Somebody better check there’s still anyone at the 1922 Committee to read all these letters. Probably all dead, retired or ****ed off to Reform.
They needed someone to fill a gap while they were out of favour. Who better than a woman so they can show they're not sexist or racist? That she's utterly unhinged and seems to have no redeeming personality is just a bonus. Just means she's easy to move aside when the time's right for the next big thing to move into the space.
They're just biding their time.