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infer/imply - what kind of dunce gets those the wrong way around?
And outwith obvs - it's not even a real word.
If I see one more person say
Can you see what I just said about that phrase?
run amok
Didn't know you were Malaysian. EDIT: Ah, this has been addressed already. 🙂
I spent time in Malaya
Before 1963 we presume?
Outwith is actually in reasonably common usage in Scotland and is a real word. Its just you Normans down south don't know it.
You mentioned doodle*s on another thread once – its an utterly brilliant word.
It must be in that particular blood line. In her current stage of dementia the Doodle*s are the pieces of one of her jigsaws that have seagulls on. 'Doodle****' seems to be a googlewack so it seems to be her own invention
Her mother referred to loo in our static caravan as "the Chemi Khazi"
Outwith is actually in reasonably common usage in Scotland and is a real word.
But its outwith your OED 🙂
I once made a set of bookmarks with "Without Outwith Within" printed on them and used to slip them into dictionaries In bookshops and libraries
PP - 62 - 66 IIRC ( Actually I don't remember it at all) but I was using "amok" in the correct sense. I don't think only Malaysians can run amok. Anyone can so long as they do it properly in a Malaysian style ( Is Malaysian not the products of the country and Malays the people - like Scots and Scotch?)
Oh - and considering I have apparently been "hoist by my own petard" I really should let you know I do not actually own a 17th century mortar
Oh – and considering I have apparently been “hoist by my own petard” I really should let you know I do not actually own a 17th century mortar
But if you've been hoisted by it you are technically the Registered Keeper
( Is Malaysian not the products of the country and Malays the people – like Scots and Scotch?)
yes, but the country stopped being called Malaya in 1963. It's Malaysia now.
For a good couple of hours this Beeb article
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/52036792
...talked about 'unchartered territory' in it's headline and copy.
If you have been "hoist by your own petard" You have been strapped across a wide mouthed short barreled cannon and blown to bits
I once made a set of bookmarks with “Without Outwith Within” printed on them and used to slip them into dictionaries In bookshops and libraries
🙂
talked about ‘unchartered territory’ in it’s headline and copy.
Oh, the ironing 😉
The use of personally when expressing an opinion, as in "well personally I think that all Guls have brown heads". No neeeeeeeed!
If you have been “hoist by your own petard” You have been strapped across a wide mouthed short barreled cannon and blown to bits
Naaa. A petard was a small bomb or hand grenade. it means the thing has gone off in your face.
You're confusing it with being blown from a cannon which (I think) was a punishment originating in the Sikh army and adopted by the East India company as it was suitable gruesome.
If you have been “hoist by your own petard” You have been strapped across a wide mouthed short barreled cannon and blown to bits
No, you have not, it was an illusionary device written originally by Shakespeare (Hamlet, I think). It has no meaning other than the one given to it. it's never had any other use
Christ almighty, you're a crap pedant.
And while we are at it bring back thee and thou. YOu being used for plural and singular causes huge confusion
not in Glasgow. You is singular. Yous is plural!
Infinity is less clear as the maths is changing and there are now various different infinities. Eeeh when I were a lad there was just one.
Yes, but all infinities are infinite. They are not just a fairly big number. Cantor died in 1918.
talked about ‘unchartered territory’ in it’s headline and copy.
Oh, the ironing 😉
Arsebaubles.
Christ almighty, you’re a crap pedant.
But good at getting a 3 page stupid useless debate with lots of folk in it going.
🙂
But good at getting a 3 page stupid useless debate with lots of folk in it going.
Yes, I believe it's called "The Edinburgh defence" An original phrase meaning to hurriedly backpedal when you realise that you've been found out.
Oh, (as the kids say) teh ironing...
I find the use of genius irritating. Newton was a genius, someone kicking a football into a net from 10m not so much.
Christ almighty, you’re a crap pedant.
It all depends on how you define "pedant"
It all depends on how you define “pedant”
In this case, it's some-one who's been hoist by their own petard.
He was like, I've got your back, take an uninterested look at, can I get, don't get me wrong, if that makes sense, could of.
I'm sure Petard never meant a wide mouthed canon. I've always understood it as any disposable explosive device used in siege warfare. The internet now says it was a small conical or bell-shaped device, which I think is illustrative of how material is copied between websites. Derived from the French 'pet' (the English word for domestic companion animal must cause just as much amusement in French schools as the German for 'journey' does in English schools).
I think Shakespeare must have been referring to a real device as the audience wouldn't have understood the point if he'd just invented it; the next line of the play is about going one yard below their mines and blowing them to the moon - that's a reference to the original military use of 'mine', which meant digging a tunnel under the fortifications and exploding a bomb beneath them.
Cantor died in 1918.
Eddie Cantor is dead!? 😳
No, you have not, it was an illusionary device written originally by Shakespeare (Hamlet, I think). It has no meaning other than the one given to it. it’s never had any other use
Christ almighty, you’re a crap pedant.
Correct, it is indeed from Hamlet.
Fun fact, the etymology for 'petard' comes from a Latin word meaning fart. So you could argue that it means that one has farted so hard that it's knocked them off their feet.
I find the use of genius irritating. Newton was a genius, someone kicking a football into a net from 10m not so much.
In much the same way as "legend" has changed from the person who attacks a machine gun nest single-handedly to save the entire platoon, to coming back from the bar with bags of scratchings.
I find the use of genius irritating. Newton was a genius, someone kicking a football into a net from 10m not so much.
I like Schopenhauer's definition of genius- talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see.
affect/effect
I've never in my life conflated / confused these two words until recently, where I've seen them used incorrectly so often that I now have to pause and think about which one if should be.
it is generally the stupid people that actually change it.
My biggest personal bugbear is the word "prevaricate". People use it in place of the word "procrastinate". There's a world of difference in their separate meanings.
I also like Robertson Davies on genius-
He was a genius - that is to say, a man who does superlatively and without obvious effort something that most people cannot do by the uttermost exertion of their abilities.
weight is a force and measured in newtons. W = mg therefore isn't a constant unlike mass. It is basic 1st year science.
also this is a misuse of words thread so STFU 😛
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The only gul with a full black head is the Mediterranean Gul.
Or an Exxon one
“we will be landing momentarily”
Having looked this up, I learn "momentarily" can mean
"for a very short time."
or
"at any moment; very soon."
Though one appreciates this uniquely North American meaning is a recent perversion.
Happy - as in 'Find your happy'
Rich - as in 'Find your rich'
FFS
W = mg
W is watts, i.e. power.
🙂
I once landed momentarily at LBA. Well we didn't quite land - got to about 5 metres above the deck and suddenly we're at full power and going round for a second shot.
Passion is one where the meaning has drifted somewhat. I can't explain it better than David Mitchell.
Just thought of another one - eXpresso instead of eSpresso for coffee
Its not fast!
People who talk about mute points should just STFU.
I bet most of them could care less.
Surely a mute point has to be conveyed through the medium of sign language 🤔
"Salary" to mean "money". I always insist on being paid in bags of salt.
"Salad" to mean a plate of vegetables. I always make the waiter go fetch a salt grinder and turn that plate of vegetables into a proper salad.
In much the same way as “legend” has changed from the person who attacks a machine gun nest single-handedly to save the entire platoon, to coming back from the bar with bags of scratchings.
And here was me thinking it meant a story where people did difficult to believe things.
I thought it meant "foot."
Legend
Anthem
Act
Franchise
So, the first word in answer to a question.
Just thought of another one – eXpresso instead of eSpresso for coffee
Its not fast!
Are you doing this on purpose now?
There's no "X" only because it's not normally a part of the Italian alphabet. Espresso can mean many things...Expressed as in pressed out, or especially for the customer (as it's a individual serving), or fast like Express, there's no real settled etymology* I think the first patent for the espresso machine was granted because one of the innovations was that by using steam it was brewed near instantaneously.
* although I've no idea what the study of insects has to do with all this...(nerd joke)
* although I’ve no idea what the study of insects has to do with all this…
The relevance is these are things that 'bug' TJ 🙂
I have no idea if it's been said yet (I can't bear reading through four pages) but...
October: the tenth month when it means the eighth
December: the twelfth month when it means the tenth
This is because the original calendar only had 10 months until the Roman Empire and they decided to add a couple more named after Caesars.
Go on, see if you can work our which two months were added (no Googling).
Go on, see if you can work our which two months were added (no Googling).
Saladuary and Sidtember
Go on, see if you can work our which two months were added (no Googling).
March - after Marcus Aurelius off of Gladiator
April - after that Ape off of Planet of the Apes
Rare. Used to mean difficult to find or not happening very often and now seems to mean pile of shite that you should not waste any time on
Eleventyber - the month after October for the people of the village
Wetbutwarm - the long month in between September and May.
I think "difficult to find" is scarce. Bog rolls aren't rare. But you can rarely find them.
nickc - what I meant was people saying "expresso" when what they want is an "espresso"
Oh and "bug" and "insect" are not synonyms. something to with the type of mouth? Bugs have sucking mouths?
Prompted by an instance of its misuse on 6 Music I came here to complain about 'momentarily' but I see that it's already been done. So I shall reminisce instead. Before web forums like this there was Usenet, and one of my favourite Usenet groups was alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe, apihna to its friends. That was full of discussions like this one.
Ah, Usenet, the good ol' Wild West of the internet. I partook in UK.rec.climbing (or "You're arsey") and the C programming one. Fire retardant suit obligatory 😊
legend means...............
I thought it meant “foot.”
Just got this one! Very good
usage, signage, cordage
Bollocks(age)
Bollocks(age)
Wrong thread
nickc – what I meant was people saying “expresso” when what they want is an “espresso”
like saying outwith when they mean outside..? (joke)
There's a weird one (like outwith) in Yorkshire, people use "while" to mean between. For instance "8 while 6" used to indicate that a shop is open from 8am to 6pm. Took some getting used to.
“More football then anywhere else” on 5live earlier this year. Needed to buy a new wireless after that
Ah, Usenet, the good ol’ Wild West of the internet.
alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die always made me giggle.
nickc - here we get " where do you stay?" meaning "where do you live?"
Slight OT, but when people say 3 AM in the morning *, of course it’s the morning you said AM,
But the same person doesn’t say it’s 3pm in the afternoon . ****
* other times are available
Fella, rather than fellow.
Confusing infer with imply.
The apparent confusion between distance and isolate.
Ah, Usenet, the good ol’ Wild West of the internet.
I'm still in regular touch with the folk from alt.peeves
3 AM in the morning
A tautology. I do enjoy a tautology. Domestic crisis at home is my favourite.
A close cousin of RAS Syndrome.
12am and 12pm irritate me, as much for the ambiguity as pedantry. Literally, both mean midnight, which I don't think is what is usually meant.
12 pm is the start of the afternoon
its surely 12md and 12mn - mid day and midnight
nickc – what I meant was people saying “expresso” when what they want is an “espresso”
You must've misused some words, because you said it was nothing to do with being fast, even though a proper espresso is, demonstrably, fast to both prepare and to drink.
I'm going to bring back up the musical one since no one's commented.The musical scale has seven notes then the pattern repeats. Calling it an octave brings about all sorts of complications since subsequent scales only have seven i.e. a three octave scale only has 22 notes not 24 also the 13th is the same note as the 6th but an "octave" higher.
12 pm is the start of the afternoon
pm is short for 'post meridian' meaning 'after noon' so 12pm is 12hrs after noon, which makes it midnight
The pedants revolt
There’s a weird one (like outwith) in Yorkshire, people use “while” to mean between. For instance “8 while 6” used to indicate that a shop is open from 8am to 6pm. Took some getting used to.
Here in ayrshire 'mind' is sort of used in the place of 'remember'.
Hence when the train pulls into the station here and the recorded announcement tells people to 'mind the step whilst alighting' you'll often here the humorous exchange between passengers as they step off the train -
"mind the step?"
"Aye I mind the step"
"Aye. It was a good step that one"