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[Closed] Ministry of Justice loses evidence disks for 3 enquiries in the post

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Possibly including names of 70 witnesses who gave evidence anonymously due to concerns about their safety (sounds like they're not sure as they've taken steps to protect them according to Channel 4)

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31037879 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31037879[/url]

[i]Two of the investigations in question relate to fatal police shootings of crime suspects in London - an inquest into the death of Mark Duggan in 2011 and an inquiry into the death of Azelle Rodney in 2005.

The third is an inquest into the 1997 murder of Robert Hamill by loyalists in Portadown, Northern Ireland, which campaigners claim involved the collusion of police officers.[/i]

What do we reckon the chances of the data being encrypted or password protected are?


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 3:37 pm
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I'm just shocked stuff like that is routinely posted. I'd expect a stern man to hand it to someone in black leathers and a motorcycle helmet who'd whoosh it off securely on menacing black motorbike.


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 3:42 pm
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It cannot be posted it must be couriered

I assume someone messed up and the person who posted it did not know what it was and that this rule applied


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 4:02 pm
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It's very odd that they still move electronic documents around like this at all.

There's far more secure ways of giving people access without making further copies which are, inherently, more difficult to control.


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 4:04 pm
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The government policy is to courier this sort of data so looks like a mess up somewhere when posting.

I wonder if it will turn up at a newspapers offices anytime soon or if the loss is enough to ruin the investigations?


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 4:53 pm
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The government policy is to courier this sort of data so looks like a mess up somewhere when posting.

Think the primary Govt policy is to save money, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is not the first time a disc/file has gone missing - just the first one that has come to light.


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 5:02 pm
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Oh, look - They were fined £180,000 last August for losing information.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28936396 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28936396[/url]


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 5:43 pm
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I'd be surprised if anyone except for the person did the initial sending of the parcel got the blame.
I work for government department and we have to do training on data security regularly which is government wide so he/she is probably just ignoring that and will get the book thrown at him. If I'd done it I would be surprised if I kept my job.


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 5:47 pm
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Set-up job by organised crims. Alleged that some of the people involved in the cases are on witness protection. Some of them are old bill whistle blowers.


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 5:47 pm
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[i]It cannot be posted it must be couriered[/i]

What, electronic data? 🙄

And now waiting for the 'only one copy' statement...


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 6:57 pm
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They may have used YODEL and Cougar has yet to recive the envelopes in a very battered and wet state.


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 7:03 pm
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Jivehoneyjive to the forum!
Oh....


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 7:14 pm
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Did jivehoneyjive get 'lost in the post' as well?


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 7:19 pm
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Why on earth wasn't it encrypted ? Wouldn't want to be the person making that call to the Information Commissioner !


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 8:35 pm
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Why on earth wasn't it encrypted ?
It might have been (I don't think anyone has said) but my guess is it is unlikely to have been particularly secure [things which are, are more difficult to use between agencies with different systems] - after all Mr Cameron doesn't think people should use encryption! 😉

Either that - or as someone once did with data they sent me - the password was written on a post it stuck to the disk!


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 9:37 pm
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Kin ell sometimes idiots mess up.


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 10:10 pm
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It cannot be posted it must be couriered

I assume someone messed up and the person who posted it did not know what it was and that this rule applied

Secret classified information is routinely sent via Royal Mail in encrypted form. This is standard procedure.

Info regarding couriers etc above is incorrect.


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 10:28 pm
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Somebody, from what was the DCA (now MOJ), once sent me the mail server for a very significant public enquiry so I could put its discs 'beyond use' (5 seconds in the office microwave usually did the trick) It was meant to come by courier. It turned up with parcel farce. Crap like this happens all the time.


 
Posted : 29/01/2015 10:29 pm

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