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And here we see ( not getting at you personally) the basic issue. Behaviour dog owners believe is acceptable is not to many dog owners. IMO a properly trained dog should ignore other people until told they can engage.
I would agree. Our dog isnt that well trained. So we dont let her off the lead around people knowingly. There are occasions though when we think we are in clear field with no one about that she will spot someone before we do, or they enter the field where she is and she will want to say hello. However if we call her she will come straight back to us.
It was just Op's approach was get aggressive immediately, where as on occasions it can be a genuine mistake
However if we call her she will come straight back to us.
good
^^^ I had a similar experience except the dogs were quite large Collie cross type’s which were very aggressive and quick. I managed to outrun them but by which time the dogs were a fair distance from the owner. I have no idea if they were ever reunited? You can only hope that lessons were learned!
If they are not a domesticated wolf, then what are they?
Not recently domesticated though, but they descended from wolves
A bit of a trick question - but you've identified the pedantry from the question in your own answer, though.
A domesticated wolf would be a pure wolf that has somehow been tamed (pretty much impossible).
domestication
noun
the process of taming an animal and keeping it as a pet or on a farm.
Dogs are far enough geneticaly removed from wolves to be classed as a seperate species.
It is pedantry to a point.
Essentially we created a new species through the process of domestication.
On a different note, most issues i have had with dogs (mainly while walking ours in the lead) are due to the owners not the dogs
It was just Op’s approach was get aggressive immediately,
The OP said "I'm getting sick of this," which does not sound like someone's immediate reaction but rather an exasperated response to sustained issues.
Dogs are far enough geneticaly removed from wolves to be classed as a seperate species.
This sounds a bit like the "if men evolved from apes, why do we still have apes?" argument. To which the answer is that we didn't, rather men and apes shared a common ancestor. Do dogs and wolves have a similar explanation?
People can be very ignorant (some times on purpose) of how their behavior and responsibilities can affect others.
So true. BITD I was walking my dog in a quiet part of Swinley when we became surrounded by 3 Rottweilers. Never heard them approach and the owners were some several hundred metres away. Fortunately my dog was calm as was I and their body language simply showed curiosity. They then went on their way, not called by their owners. However, later I ended up feeling pretty hacked off about the owners apparent indifference.
To which the answer is that we didn’t, rather men and apes shared a common ancestor. Do dogs and wolves have a similar explanation?
Bit of a semantic grey area I guess. But you wouldn't call humans domesticated monkeys though, unless you are a tory ex prime minister talking about 'darkies'.
I wouldn't call a tory domesticated at all. Let alone a domesticated monkey, although they only throw verbal shit at the walls now
I was going to answer the dogs as domesticated wolves question but pesky work got in the way. Others have answered it though and probably better than I would. They are massively removed from any Wolf we know of today. To the point where we don’t really know what the original species they come from acted like in the first place.
The whole pack thing is utter bollocks too. Mainly taken from studies of captive wolves that, surprisingly, don’t act like a natural family unit. Yet somehow we apply this model to an animal that was domesticated thousands of years ago and bears little resemblance to the animal it once was. Which we also know little about. There is a very good book on the subject, written by a couple of scientists who got annoyed with Ceaser Milan and other ‘specialists’ called In Defence of Dogs. A fascinating and interesting read.
Basically a lot of the commonly accepted knowledge around what dogs are is utter bobbins.
I’d also suggest reading up on the utterly insane Russian fox experiment that showed how quickly a species can go from wild to unrecognisable domestic version in a very short timeframe if you breed the cutest looking ones. The opposite is true if you breed the most unhinged angry looking bastards. You end up, rather quickly, with fox times a million!
More importantly what happened to the OP today? Did he get a beating from the husband, savaged by the dogs? We need to know!
More importantly what happened to the OP today? Did he get a beating from the husband, savaged by the dogs? We need to know!
This is a good point - the threat was made.
The whole pack thing is utter bollocks too. Mainly taken from studies of captive wolves that, surprisingly, don’t act like a natural family unit.
This is true... wild dogs are highly social, yes there is generaly a chief male/female breeding pair, but they typically live in packs of extended families in the wild, with multiple breeding pairs, and taking it in turns to look after others cubs whilst others go hunting etc.
Yep, the whole domination/pack leader thing only exists in captivity where there isn’t a family unit. So using that as a model for an animal domesticated 15,000 years ago, that has been bred, cross bred and changed a lot in that time, isn’t a great approach. Made popular by idiots on the tele and misguided study of animals in captivity. Basically assumptions were made by looking at a prison system for wild animals. Chuck a bunch of unrelated wolves in to a captive environment and they vie for dominance. Just like in cell block H
I’d also suggest reading up on the utterly insane Russian fox experiment that showed how quickly a species can go from wild to unrecognisable domestic version in a very short timeframe if you breed the cutest looking ones
What makes it really fascinating is that wasnt what they bred for.
They bred for tameness only.
The looks and other changes came as a byproduct of that.
Totally off topic but I thought they used the traits to influence the breeding? So chose the ones with a friendlier disposition and they, in turn, tended to be the ones that looked friendlier. The end result being animals that look like a Disney Princesses sidekick. I need to read up on it again. Fascinating how it took very little time to end up with a tame version. Now times that by 15,000 years and tell me that the vast majority of dogs are anywhere near the wolves they originally descended from.
After reading that, I.reckon you probably ooze agression that the dogs react to.
Either that or you need to take the string of sausages off your cranks - It could reduce the urge of the local sabte toothed wolf pack.
Simply way to many dogs.
it can only be part of the govts contingency plan to avoid mass-starvation, should Putin nuke the Ukraine’s grain basket.
wok the dog?
a ringpiece like a blood orange
Or as they say round our way "an arse like a Labour Party rosette" 😀
Totally off topic but I thought they used the traits to influence the breeding?
Well yes, it's 'selective breeding.'. only allow the friendly ones to breed, or the ones with cute apperence etc. etc.
It doesn't take too many generations to do that.. the Russian fox breeding experiment, whilst a bit unethical, is actually a really good example of this.
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All quiet on the western front – I was 15 minutes later this morning, no dog walkers but many more people either cycling or walking to work on the path
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