Yes, there are huge restrictions on all 'white German males'
No, those laws apply to everyone.
Strafgesetzbuch 86a outlaws all sorts of things - flags, uniforms, books, greetings, traditional folk songs etc.
That's a restriction on anyone living in Germany isn't it?
EDIT: Fraction too slow.
precicely - the prohibition restricts freedom due to the actions of a minority, it isn't limited to "actual people involved and leave everyone else alone ?"
precicely - the prohibition restricts freedom due to the actions of a minority, it isn't limited to "actual people involved and leave everyone else alone ?"
So unless they make swimming illegal for everyone in Germany, it's not the same at all then ?
Anyway, the question was...
Was there restrictions put on all white German males due to the actions of [B]this minority[/b] ?
Or did they just arrest the actual people involved and leave everyone else alone ?
In relation to a specific event, the planning at terror attacks on asylum seekers and mosques.
Was there any blanket restrictions put in place, or did they do what normally happens, and deal with the suspects and leave everyone else alone.
86a was in place a long time before this happened.
but it's not a specific event is it?
It's definitely not isolated.
[url= http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/634815/Cologne-attacks-fury-migrant-sex-cover-up-refugee-event-groping-Germany ]groping schoolgirls.[/url]
There is a definite problem among the male refugees, a minority but a large minority and if stopping them from using the pool makes it safer for the female population of the town, so be it. If there problems have gone from potential decapitation from Isis to not being allowed to do breaststroke I think they have still a lot to be grateful for.
but it's not a specific event is it?
Alleged planning of nail bomb terror attacks = arrest 4 people, no other action taken against people not involved.
Alleged harassment in swimming pool = ban all asylum seekers from public swimming pool.
Both specific events, handled entirely differently.
It's definitely not isolated.
Neither are attacks on Muslims from far right nutters?
hora - Member
How do I unsubscribe?
Bow to the rules or detach from all senses. 😛
no other action taken against people not involved.
but you accept there [b]has[/b] been decades of action taken against right wing & neo-nazi groups, restrictions on their freedom of speech and freedom of expression, repeated jailings of their leaders and criminalisation of non violent protest. so yes, action [b]has[/b] been taken against people not involved.
Perhaps the most accurate words on this issue recently:
Positions are momentarily rather rigid in Europe, creating a dangerous situation for the future of the European Union, especially as the debate on immigration and refugees is conducted primarily by politicians on an emotional level, and much less by experts in a rational, fact-based manner.
The hyperbole and outright nonsense spouted on refugees and migrants (different things!) is truly scary.
You guys are so predictable. Any time a German government starts segregating races you bring up the Nazis. It's such a cliche and frankly just puts your own prejudices on display.
There will definitely be tough times ahead for Germany.
More and more sex attacks and more reprisals.
[url= http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/633850/Syrian-Emerge-attacks-Germany-Cologne-NYE-Merkel?_ga=1.261375108.886168946.1424135806 ]girl attacked at pool.[/url]
but you accept there has been decades of action taken against right wing & neo-nazi groups, restrictions on their freedom of speech and freedom of expression, repeated jailings of their leaders and criminalisation of non violent protest. so yes, action has been taken against people not involved.
How were the people not involved effected by the banning of various bits nazi symbolism and suchlike?
What were the leaders jailed for ? How did that effect people who weren't involved ?
It really is difficult here in Germany and as I see it the banning is an 'emergency' measure to diffuse an increasingly tense situation between the refugees and Germans. The local people want the state seen to be doing something and even the most liberal Germans are having their beliefs tested because of the extreme nature of the situation. Where I live in Leipzig which is traditionally pretty left wing the PEGIDA/LEGIDA demonstrations have been happening every Monday for a year. In the last few weeks there have been street battles between Police, neo nazis and left wing extremists. This has polarized opinion and the regular German sees the refugees as the cause of all this unrest.
i find it funny that if you say "i don't like all these refugees coming here at once" you are labelled rascist....
the GF's old man is from Iran and he doesn't like the fact that such lrge numbers have been accepted so quickly. his German missus on the other hand thinks everyone is welcome.... 😕
the GF was in Iran for several months a few years ago. wasn't allowed out on her own. always had to wear a headscarf (was berated several times by random men in the street for showing too much hair), wasn't allowed to surf the net in an internet cafe, wasn't allowed to ride a bike, had to travel at the rear of the bus (more women on board thatn men, but all the women were crammed into the rear 1/3 and forced to stand), had to use a separate carriage to the men on the train....
i very much doubt that the Iranian way of life is much different from that in Syria, Afghanistan (infact, i'm told by the GF's father that it is very similar) or many other Arab countries.
it is fair to say that i am not "all for" the numbers of mainly male refugees being given asylum.
and after the assault last week in Munich, i'm happy that certain groups may be stopped from entering the swimming pool. especially as the GF goes to swim once a week.
f-knows what would happen if some of these men found their way into the sauna area.... 🙂
on't like all these refugees coming here at once" you are labelled rascist
By who ?
Roter Stern & Folks,
With the German drone like mentality I foresee Germany having restless nights for sometime. Bear in mind, they have always been programmed for a steady pace of life without too much changes but the situation has truly play into SISI hands now ... another society "destabilise" or soon to be ...
SISI knows that your compassion is also your weakness so push hard for that knowing that no society in the world is truly uniform/united. Easier to use spark to light the fire whatever ...
This could also be a stepping stone for further destabilisation of Europe from inside of Europe via Germany.
[u]That stooopid woman Angela Merkel[/u] being [b][u]a spinster lacks maternal instinct[/u][/b] to really understand the true nature of society and family. Being a spinster her [b][u]mood[/u][/b] can [b][u]swing[/u][/b] from one extreme to another ... (notice her sudden welcome policy by comparison with the news that she once told a little girl that her family would have to go home?) hence old ladies in the far east asked why was that woman in charged? Why people elected her etc? Because old ladies know how a lady feels. They have been there done that. I explained to them in my own ways ... not sure whether they agreed with me but they certainly think having spinster as a leader is not good.
The question now is that if that group of people are moved to other EU nations the same problem will start and further problems will be created in EU.
The best approach now is to contain the situation in Germany to avoid letting it spreading further for damage limitation. i.e. by applying something a bit like castle siege to refugees. No movement without permit.
Again ... I see them coming and I told you so. 😯
i find it funny that if you say "i don't like all these refugees coming here at once" you are labelled rascist
Nah its once they are here and you dont want to allow them the same freedoms as other citizens that you stray into the area of racism.
Who would have thought that racism could be a force for good.
chewkw - Member
Junkyard - lazarus
FWIW I am not english.
In the meantime ... Junkyard you have not answered my question yet ... What are you?
What's up Junkyard? Have you considered your answer yet? 😛
Junkyard - lazarus
Nah its once they are here and you dont want to allow them the same freedoms as other citizens that you stray into the area of racism.
Freedoms? You mean they have no freedoms? Really? 😯
How do you compare that to where they were previously? 🙄
See you are absolutely wrong again. I mean you have not even attempted to think logically when you come with that answer have you? There are so many wrongs on that answer it's hard to find a starting point. Poor effort that. 😛
In the meantime you need to answer my previous question above ... 😆
Nah its once they are here and you dont want to allow them the same freedoms as other citizens that you stray into the area of racism.
Are they in fact citizens? Do they have the same rights? Can they sign up to university and get a hip replacement? Can they work, and live where they like?
Rather sexist comments about spinsters ^^
A potentially interesting comparison from the US town I lived in. They had a very nice communal town pool setup, lane pool, kids pools etc. In fact not dis-similar to the very nice German town facilities I have used when on holiday there (have done 3 or 4 family holidays in Germany with friends in the military). You could only use it with a town residents card which you applied for based on residency. A similar system in Germany would work, asylum seekers are not resident until their application has been formally accepted.
Rather sexist comments about spinsters ^^
Maybe, but I found it more ageist, marital satusist and lack of childrenist.
Maybe, but I found it more ageist, marital satusist and lack of childrenist.
I found it just bloody stupid. Like usual.
I found it just bloody stupid. Like usual.
😀
You could only use it with a town residents card which you applied for based on residency. A similar system in Germany would work, asylum seekers are not resident until their application has been formally accepted.
Not necessarily. Someone tried this before in France and got into some bother. Shame because it seemed a sensible solution to the problem.
Are they in fact citizens? Do they have the same rights?
I thought of some of them afterwards[before your post] so its a fair point. . In the UK its only work that differs, anyone has to reside here for 3 years to access education funding - in the main there are exceptions like English and some others.
I think the broader point is once you start having public areas that you dont allow refugees to go then you are into the realms of racism.
Discussions regarding immigration and numbers extra are not inherently racist though some of the views will be,
I think the broader point is once you start having public areas that you dont allow refugees to go then you are into the realms of racism.
Well maybe, but it seems like a glass half full/half empty thing. They could set up camps in the middle of nowhere and oblige people to stay there while their case is processed. Instead they give the refugees as much freedom as possible, which some of them promptly abuse.
vickypea - Member
Rather sexist comments about spinsters ^^
That word and the way a woman feels was explained to me by old women or ladies in the far east ... they laughed at me when I tried to describe stooopid Angela Merkel.
I mean they corrected my English! 😆
Oh ya they are the matriarchs of their own families.
I will stick to that word unless you can come up with alternative for [u]a single old woman who has never been married.[/u]
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DrJ - Member
I found it just bloody stupid. Like usual.
What Dr are you in again? 😆
Instead they give the [s]refugees [/s]people as much freedom as possible, which some of them promptly abuse.
Equally true of any people you choose to pick even cyclist in the countryside
It is of course a balancing act as are most things. Collective punishment is not helpful.
As previously noted, refugees don't have the same rights as citizens.
Junkyard & DrJ ... you two really need to answer my questions. Can't go on like this you know. The world would collapse! 😛
[b]To Junkyard:
Q1. you said you were Not English so what are you? [/b]
You could have used British but you did not instead you have distinguished yourself as Not English.
[b]Q2: Now, that has intrigued me as I want to know why you segregate yourself?[/b]
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[b]To DrJ:
Q1. You have 'Dr' as title so I want to know what Dr are you?
Q2. Do you have PhD in science or social science? [/b]
Simple answers from both will do ... 
What percentage of the immigrant users of the pool were causing the problem. If there was a high number of them using the pool with only a few causing a problem I might take junkies view. But if the majority of the the migrant users were causing a problem I can understand the pool taking the action it has untill it can come up with a better plan.
It is not Germany banning all immigrants from all pools, it is a pool banning a group of people from an immigration center who are causing a problem untill the can come up with a better solution.
If that is racist then so be it.
Integration takes education, forget that multicultural shit.
I think Chewkw will explode if Junkyard doesn't answer his question 😛
vickypea - Member
I think Chewkw will explode if Junkyard doesn't answer his question
Ya, correct! 😛 I shall shite myself in me pants! 😆
Coz someone is hiding something you know gut feeling like ... something is not right about someone.
vickypea - Member
I think Chewkw will explode if Junkyard doesn't answer his question
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At the holiday camp that is near my mum's holiday bungalow they had a large party of muslims stay.
The windows were blacked out so that no one could see in and obviously men were banned from swimming at the same time as the ladies.
No one could possibly object to ladies only swimming classes in Germany.
Education about German values and enforcement of the law is what's needed - Germany is a rich country, they have the resources to do it properly.
Blanket bans are racist - the levels of acceptance of racism we see here now on the forum and in society in general after decades of improvement is shocking. If individual people refuse to accept German values then I see no problem with not granting citizenship. Despite numerous accusations I don't see any of the 'hand-wringers' arguing there are no issues with integrating large numbers of (in particular) young men from very different societies into Europe. Amazingly enough it's possible to recognise that but not support racist policies.
And re an earlier argument - I would say people are instinctively inclined to prejudice against people they see as 'other' to varying degrees but this is just an example of the irrational monkey brain instinct that is no longer useful now that we have the ability to think/behave rationally. Just accepting it as something you are going to allow to affect your life is like accepting that you haven't really evolved into a human being. 😉
CountZero - Member
vickypea - Member
I think Chewkw will explode if Junkyard doesn't answer his question
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Glad I won't have to clean up the mess afterwards!
Why youuuu! I said shat me pants! Stone him for using illegal emotion-con ... trying to outdo me ...
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grum - Member
... now that we have the ability to think/behave rationally.
In the typical spirit of STW ... What is rationality? 😛
Just accepting it as something you are going to allow to affect your life is like accepting that you haven't really evolved into a human being.
Have we evolved? When? I thought we have devolved ... Yes?
Oh and Edukator trying to compare himself as an English person in France (yes, we know you live in France) to a Syrian refugee in Germany. Really?!
[i]Blanket bans are racist[/i]
True but as I said earlier it was a necessary measure. Right or wrong the situation could quickly escalate into vigilante groups taking the law into their own hands (which is what is happening in other parts of Germany with regular burning of buildings ear marked for refugees). The mood here really is on a knife edge.
grum - Member
Oh and Edukator trying to compare himself as an English person in France (yes, we know you live in France) to a Syrian refugee in Germany. Really?!
Or someone who advocates integration/multiculturalism/EU etc who lived in the UK but then said "I am Not English" ... tut! tut! 😛
Which is worst? The person who wants to build or is building an "English castle" in France or a person who is insincere about own identity?
Roter Stern - Member
The mood here really is on a knife edge.
It will explode because the shock to the system is too much to handle. 😮
Education about German values and enforcement of the law is what's needed
I'll ask again, how are you going to educate them? You need to undo 20+ years of education. I'm not saying it's impossible but I would suggest it's very difficult.
I would say people are instinctively inclined to prejudice against people they see as 'other' to varying degrees but this is just an example of the irrational monkey brain instinct that is no longer useful now that we have the ability to think/behave rationally. Just accepting it as something you are going to allow to affect your life is like accepting that you haven't really evolved into a human being.
What?
We all prejudge and make assumptions on how people walk, talk, dress, what bike they ride, what car they drive, the house they live in, what sport they watch etc.
Unless of course you have reached some level of enlightenment that puts you above that? 🙄
We all prejudge and make assumptions on how people walk, talk, dress, what bike they ride, what car they drive, the house they live in, what sport they watch etc.
Imagine how time consuming it would be if we didn't - instead of all the little rules and shortcuts we've made, instead evaluating every situation from first principles - inefficient and dangerous.
Blanket bans are racist - the levels of acceptance of racism we see here now on the forum and in society in general after decades of improvement is shocking
They have recognised there is a problem, they have implemented a tempory plan to try and safeguard thier female patrons from that problem untill they can find a better way. They are not discriminating based on unfounded racists beliefs.
when I read this story I am not thinking oh my god what a bunch of racists, I am thinking what a bunch of sex pests.
Maybe they should have closed the pool then the story would be pool closed due to immigrants harassing female swimmers.
Then we could stop arguing about racism and address the actual problem here.
gobuchul - Member
Education about German values and enforcement of the law is what's needed
I'll ask again, how are you going to educate them? You need to undo 20+ years of education. I'm not saying it's impossible but I would suggest it's very difficult.
After five generations if you are lucky. In the 5th generation majority will only speak German but will retain a lot of their own traditional culture and belief especially religion.
Their belief will be much stronger than the locals because as migrants they will have a strong sense to preserve their way of life.
😯
We all prejudge and make assumptions on how people walk, talk, dress, what bike they ride, what car they drive, the house they live in, what sport they watch etc.Unless of course you have reached some level of enlightenment that puts you above that?
Yes of course we do and no I'm not above it but nor do I try and pretend that my instincts are always correct or helpful. Sometimes they are but it's useful to question them, often. Otherwise you are going to find your worldvîew massively influenced by things like confirmation bias rather than reality.
I'll ask again, how are you going to educate them? You need to undo 20+ years of education. I'm not saying it's impossible but I would suggest it's very difficult
Yes it will be difficult, lets get on with it then and not do things that are likely to make them feel more alienated from their new home and make their views more entrenched.
Haven't we witnessed all too well the results of not takng action for fear of being called racist?.
No. HTH.
A blanket ban does seem racist, and somewhat unhelpful- maybe an over-reaction after the police apparently didn't act in Cologne at New Year? But after 6 pages of debate, does anyone here actually know the facts?
Was it a couple of men being a bit annoying by trying to chat up women at the pool on a couple of occasions, or was it a larger group, being more intimidating on a regular basis? Were they asked to stop but continued to do it? Are all migrants/asylum seekers banned from that pool or is it a specific group?
A potentially interesting comparison from the US town I lived in. They had a very nice communal town pool setup, lane pool, kids pools etc. In fact not dis-similar to the very nice German town facilities I have used when on holiday there (have done 3 or 4 family holidays in Germany with friends in the military). You could only use it with a town residents card
It's entirely fitting that you bring up that example, because that system developed as a way of stopping black city kids from swimming in white suburban pools during the white flight period.
grum - Member
Yes it will be difficult, lets get on with it then and not do things that are likely to make them feel more alienated from [b]their new home [/b]and make their views more entrenched.
It is [b][u]Not[/u] [/b]their home.
It is [u]a temporary place of refuge[/u] protecting them from their own more fanatical belief ...
Very few first generation migrant will call a new place their "home". [b]
House - Yes.
Home - No.[/b]
[url= http://news.yahoo.com/german-town-bans-male-asylum-seekers-public-pools-152516727.html ]more info[/url]
Does seem like a small number of complaints. Does not say over what time frame. But maybe there was only a few migrant users and thy wanted to stop something before it started.
In fact not dis-similar to the very nice German town facilities I have used...
#jambafact
Fact: I have been on holidays in Germany also and used some of these town facilities. They're bloody amazing for publicly funded open spaces. As non town-residents and foreigners, we were more than welcome to use the facilities. We paid a few € more than locals (who paid a yearly fee and then had a card that entitled them to free or reduced price entry. And even then I walked in after paying asking mrs dd, "Surely they undercharged us didn't they?" They were not exclusively for residents only.
We all prejudge and make assumptions on how people walk, talk, dress, what bike they ride, what car they drive, the house they live in, what sport they watch etc.
What if i prejudge that all black people are lazy criminals?
Of course we all pre judge the problem i s when we do it erroneously to an entire race fr class of people. It will be inherently inaccurate and unfair,
if for example I cross the road because i see a gang if white lads drinking special brew with their aggressive digs then not racist
If i cross the road because i see a gang of black kids and they are all gangsters with knifes then that is racist
I am not sure why you need it explaining to you that there is a point where pre judging become prejudice/racism. you seem to be arguing that because we all re judge any decision reached is acceptable. It is not.
I don't understand the examples above. Are you saying that if you saw a group of male gangsters with knives in the street it would be racist if you avoided walking past them - if they were black?
Junkyard - lazarus
Hello!
Looks like another "Junkyard" is typing/arguing now ...
Will the real Junkyard please stand up!
Please stand up!
😛
If i cross the road because i see a gang of black kids and they are all gangsters with knifes then that is racist
Is it ? seems like perfectly reasonable self preservation to me, if getting stabbed is a price you are prepared to pay to avoid possible accusations of being a racist then good for you but surely you cannot reasonably expect others to follow your rather brave stance against discrimination towards knife wielding black gangsters.
Racist!!!
we all pre judge any decision reached is acceptable. It is not.
Never said that.
If i cross the road because i see a gang of black kids and they are all gangsters with knifes then that is racist
Depends on the context.
Where? Inner city or leafy Sussex Downs Village?
When? What time of day?
Are you a possible target?
Carrying valuables?
Wearing football colours?
What colour skin do you have?
Personally I would avoid areas with high crime rates anyway and gangs of "kids" of any colour.
Yeah, but you are still stereotyping groups of young black men as being more likely to be involved in gang violence, crime and carrying knives.
The fact that this might actually be borne out by the statistics is an unfortunate irrelevance.
Junkyard,What if I am black man and cross the road when I see a group of black youths because I think the may do me something. Am I racist?
Or someone who advocates integration/multiculturalism/EU etc who lived in the UK but then said "I am Not English" ... tut! tut!
I love how Chewy thinks he's caught Junkyard out in some of scandalous lie 😆
By the way, I'm not English either !!!!
I love how Chewy thinks he's caught Junkyard out in some of scandalous lie
Does he think that? It's a mystery to me what he thinks. And reading his posts certainly doesn't shed any light on the matter.
I thought chewy did not speak a word of English and instead used some sort of translater app to read posts and then to translate his replies. Which explains him shiteing himself inside his pants.
If i cross the road because i see a gang of black kids and[b]I assume [/b] they are all gangsters with knifes then that is racist
I missed out an important bit.SORRY
I love how Chewy thinks he's caught Junkyard out in some of scandalous lieBy the way, I'm not English either !!!!
neither am I though I dont know what he tries to say either and dont read these days
They have recognised there is a problem, they have implemented a tempory plan to try and safeguard thier female patrons from that problem untill they can find a better way. They are not discriminating based on unfounded racists beliefs.
What @chip says
Its very possible out of exasperation that the local mayor fed up with having refugees he didn't ask for being for forced upon him at his expense has decided to take the dramatic action he did.
#jambafact
@dd I do understand your definition now as you've posted in complete agreement with me below. My point was the facilities are amazing and they could well chose not to make them available to all.
I see again these asylum seekers / immigrants being referred to as Syrian, my contention is significantoy less than 50% are Syrian, it may be many left Syria at the start of their journey but in fact they are Moroccan, Tunisian (largest nationality of IS foreign fighters), Algerian, Libyian etc. I always say immigrants or asylum seekers for that reason.
I am certain if the exclusion is found the be racist someone at the EU or the German government is going to tske action. So,far I've heard nothing
German news website dw.com has numerous stories today about immigration issues including the one I mentioned earlier where certain countries are refusing to accept citizens Germany isntrying to deport back there. Dusseldorf police (post the transvestie stoning report) have arrested 40 people in the "little Maghreb" on drug and criminal activity suspision 38 of whom where found to be in Germany illegally. Germany has an almighty problem which it has contrived to make much worse.
It's a mystery to me what he thinks.
On occasion he seems to make some sense and them immediately follows up with some bat shit mental nonsense.
I hardly know what Junkyard is on about half the time either.
"Straw man/what aboutery/troll/racist"
Then a sentence about how intellectually superior he his compared to everyone else.
I see again these asylum seekers / immigrants being referred to as Syrian, my contention is significantoy less than 50% are Syrian, it may be many left Syria at the start of their journey but in fact they are Moroccan, Tunisian (largest nationality of IS foreign fighters), Algerian, Libyian etc. I always say immigrants or asylum seekers for that reason
You can see it at the reception centres: "Reichschancellor Merkel says that all Syrians are guaranteed asylum in Germany, while immigrants arriving in the EU from other countries will have to be assessed and may be refused, now, what country are you from?"
Not everyone just those who cannot comprehend the really simple concepts you listed 😉Then a sentence about how intellectually superior he his compared to everyone else.
nealglover - Member
I love how Chewy thinks he's caught Junkyard out in some of scandalous lie
Ya, it's scandalous that he does not even want to reply ... what has this world come to eh? 😛
No, was not trying to catch him out or something ... just like asking question because he refuses to answer so I have to ask again. Simple. No entrapment there but rather trying to understand his reasons.
By the way, I'm not English either !!!!
So where do you come from?
No complicated answer please my head hurts. 😀
DrJ - Member
Does he think that? It's a mystery to me what he thinks. And reading his posts certainly doesn't shed any light on the matter.
Ya, a highly educated person with a "Dr" as title cannot answer a simple question as to the PhD you have? C'mon! It is not as if I can take away your "Dr" innit! 😆
chip - Member
I thought chewy did not speak a word of English and instead used some sort of translater app to read posts and then to translate his replies. Which explains him shiteing himself inside his pants.
Well, if there is a universal translator like those in Star Trek the better. 😆 Me pants full of shite as they said in the Toon!
Junkyard - lazarus
neither am I though I dont know what he tries to say either and dont read these days
Oh c'mom! We are all foreigners innit!
Where do you come from then?
I don't know why you find it hard to answer a simple question.
It's not as if I can put you to hard labour innit! 😮
gobuchul - Member
On occasion he seems to make some sense and them immediately follows up with some bat shit mental nonsense.
Bat shite mental stuff are for your enjoyment otherwise it's dull as shite ... 😛
You lot take things too seriously and complicatedly because the brain has been infected by ... guess ... (ya, cryptic). 😀
gobuchul - Member
I hardly know what Junkyard is on about half the time either.
Really?
Junkyard explain yourself!
But answer my question first. 😛
Thanks Junkyard for adding the missing word 🙂
My point was the facilities are amazing and they could well chose not to make them available to all.
Then make your point instead of insinuating lies and untruths all the time. Tbh, not much point in pointing this stuff out to you. As we all know by now, you and facts are uncomfortable bedfellows. You're too busy having a ménage à trois with conjecture and opinion.
[quote=Junkyard ]Nah its once they are here and you dont want to allow them the same freedoms as other citizens
Sorry, it has to be done:
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(I'm not sure that has any less useful content than most of the other posts at this point in the thread 😉 )
You're too busy having a ménage à trois with conjecture and opinion.
Except over the 4 years I've been hanging around here I've been proven right most of the time when I have expressed an opinion or theory. Just about to post in the Cologne thread that the first suspect arrested for sexual assault there is an Algerian asylum seeker, what's so dangerous about Algeria right now to justify asylum and where have they come from, if Syria what where they doing there ?
@chewy JY most definitely is not in the answering questions business
Whiist are taking about cultural cahlleges what about the Libyian soldiers who went on a training camp in the UK raped a drunken Brit (male) who had the misfortune to cross their path and then did £500k worth of vandalsim ? Reaction whole UK based training programme cancelled, racist ? I think not.
Except over the 4 years I've been hanging around here I've been proven right most of the time when I have expressed an opinion or theory.
'Course you have, yes. 😆
#jambafact
