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Ok, so it's not really a full-blown MLC (I'm only 38). But...
My company is probably moving offices very soon. Their logic is that we should move from the building with limited parking space into a building further away, with even less parking space. The logic being that they'll be closer to a mainline train station. (And closer to pubs so we can all socialise and be best friends.)
However, this means that they'll be 4 miles further away from me, and I'll have to pay up to £8 per day on parking, or walk 40 minutes to the nearest station and then pay £4 per day for a train ticket. Before you all suggest riding my bike, yes it's a lovely idea, but my "condition" means that I simply can't do that more than a day or two per week at most.
So, it occurred to me that getting myself on the motorbike ladder might be an idea. Free parking, lower petrol costs, avoid a lot of the horrendous queues that the Woking roadworks entail. I'm imagining that the extra cost of commuting by car or train will be £1-2k per year (depending on method), so why don't I spend 3 years of that up front and actually have something to show for it? i.e. an A2 license and a bike.
Any advice? Good routes to the license, purchase hints, things to look out for? Anything I haven't considered?
Get an A2 bike by all means but don’t bother with an A2 licence - get the full A licence as it is no more difficult and no more expensive
rachel
Sounds like a scooter (even maybe a 125) might do the job. Motorcycles are ace though.
The big bike license is easier to get as the big bikes at the training centres are easier to ride. ABS for example, it also quite hard to get a shagged out 125 up to the speed needed for the swerve and emergency stop test in the space given, the bigger bikes balance round the cones better too. So if you are old enough get that.
Interesting thoughts already. Thanks all.
Step 1: Do your CBT. Takes a day, is practically impossible to fail unless there's something the matter with you, and lasts 2yrs
Step 2: Buy a 125 scooter (the Yamaha XMax is a belter). CBT allows you to ride it on L-plates, see how you get on.
Step 3: If it does work for you, do a direct access course to get your A license.
Step 4: Buy a proper bike
DO NOT be tempted to start on a 50cc moped - you are not 16.
The exact same thing happened to me. I moved office and rather than working in London all week I needed to be somewhere in the shires 2-3 days a week. Was about 20 miles away so too far for a daily bike commute (though i did do it by bike in the summer at least once a week) and i hate driving so got bike license and a cheap 600
One thing i would say is that commuting by motorbike is a bit of a baptism of fire. Its one thing to ride out on a nice sunny Sunday morning and stop off at the beach/pub/coffee shop before riding home. Its another to get up on a January morning in the dark, fumble around for all your kit which will be freezing, mix it up on the roads with bleary eyed commuters in the rain, get to work and change, do a days work and then repeat on the way home.....though you do feel a bit more special than if you had driven in. I came off once in the snow but had a few close calls and then changed my job so the bike was no longer needed. Would probably do it again though if needs be.
Mike_P, i took a CBT course with 4 other people. First half of day was in the yard practicing turns, figure 8's, braking etc. second part was a road ride. The instructors refused to let 2 people onto the road as they hadn't been competent in handling / stopping. No arguments from anyone on that, they were pretty bad. One young lad had been riding scramblers for years and it showed in the yard, but he didn't drive. i returned from my road ride and the young lad was sat looking glum. his instructor had cut the ride short after he blasted through a give way and nearly got wiped out. Me and the other guy passed so less than 50% success based on my experience.
Yes - when i did my CBT, one guy out of 3 of us didn't pass - he was awful though.....apparently was his second try too!
Commuting by bike is OK if you have the option of getting in a car if the roads are icy. I learnt this the hard way!! In the south of England this isnt too often.
Guy on my course really struggled to get his head around the swerve manoeuvre. His day job? Flying around in a Tornado...
Rachel
Don't under estimate the running costs of a decent bike (rather than a twist and go style bike). 3000 miles from a set of tyres (£300), chain and sprockets (£150 10k miles or less depending on the weather and how religiously you look after them!) and servicing every 6k or less on some bikes.
And yet a lot of these CBT failures will have full car licenaes.
Makes you think...
Based purely on my experience of cycle commuting, chatting with motorcyclists (including my dad) and observing a range of bikes on the road, particularly those with L plates - Make sure you know what you're doing, have a plan for when the other road users around you do the absolutely stupidest thing possible, and enjoy it when the weather's nice/endure it when it isn't safe in the knowledge it's sharpening your skills and building your character :).
+1 for CBT and 125cc scooter.
Very cheap, very effective for commuting
Sounds like a good excusefor a DRZ400SM to me 😀
I wouldn't bother with owning a 125. Go for the full licence straight away and ASAP before its winter.
Most schools will give you a taster, alternatively do a CBT to get the feel for it but if you can ride a push bike competently you can ride a motorbike.
As for commuting - I don't find it too bad. The difference is having the right kit for the conditions and heated grips. My suit goes over my work clothes so it takes less than 5 minutes to get ready.
I enjoy for the most part. You don't need to spend a fortune on bikes or kit either.
Don’t under estimate the running costs of a decent bike (rather than a twist and go style bike). 3000 miles from a set of tyres
You'll get far more than 3000 miles from tyres on a "decent bike". I used to get about 7000 on the rear of a 650 BMW twice as much on fronts.
CBT and a 125cc will give you a nice taster.
I've got my Module 1 training on a big bike this weekend 🙂
I love commuting by motorbike - saves me so much time.
I'm currently commuting on either a Triumph Scrambler (the new 900, Street Twin derivative - it's brilliant and more fun than the Africa Twin it replaced) or a CRF250L if we're going home via a few lanes.
The latter has almost no power, is too heavy for an offroad bike and has cheap suspension (it's £4,700 at the end of the day) yet it's fast becoming one of the best bikes I've ever had. I just love it, on road and off, and probably shouldn't.
That or the CRF250 Rally are great in traffic, light on fuel, cheap to insure and replace parts, and great fun off-road. 8,000 mile service intervals means it's cheap to run. If you like mountain biking, then depending on where you live, you might like the odd lane on the loop on the way home sometimes too.
All that said, I was just saying to my wife this morning that I fancy a new Turbo Levo for commuting in. It's only 10 miles or so (nearly all offroad) and I'm pretty fit at the moment again, but I want one for those days where you just can't be arsed to pedal home in the wind and rain after a hard day, or getting on in the dark on a wet, windy cold morning (ironically, I'll probably go on the turbo when I get back).
+1 for CBT and 125cc scooter.
Once you've done this don't forget that as soon as you put L plates on your bike you must forget everything they've taught you. The minimum speed in a built up area is 40mph, all traffic rules are optional and you must wear your helmet unclipped and atop your head, so the chin guard is on your forehead.
That way you'll fit in fine with all the other morons on 125s 😉
and I forgot to add, you must remove all the baffles from your exhaust....
Ha ha, went to collect my bike from the Yamaha dealer last night post MOT and there was a lad just like that picking up a 125, L-plates and all. He shot off, all over the place. The garage owner & I glanced at each other and he said "won't see Xmas".
There are just two types or riders... those that have been down, and those that are going down
My 125 lasted me 4 months before I realised I wanted a proper bike with a proper headlight.
At the time of buying the 125 I was happy that it was going to be a cheap way to work. But realistically it'll be time and money wasted. Although good 125's hold value.
I wouldn't have bothered with the 125 know what I do now.
Do you want a motorbike for any other reason than to commute?
If no why not consider an e-bike? would help with your condition and get you to work.
Alternative to scooter if you can find any of these.
2019 Honda Super Cub C125
Step 1: Do your CBT. Takes a day, is practically impossible to fail unless there’s something the matter with you, and lasts 2yrs
As far as I'm aware you cannot fail a CBT - it's Compulsory Basic Training. If you do "fail" you'll be invited to come back the next day. At least, that's what I was told when I did mine. (I suppose technically you could fail by not completing the training?)
I wouldn’t bother with owning a 125. Go for the full licence straight away and ASAP before its winter.
+1, and what Rachel said. I can't see many compelling reasons to do anything else unless you're 17. DAS all the way.
Riding a 500cc bike is easier than riding a 125 IMHO. If you get a full A licence you can then go buy a 125 if you like, the reverse isn't true.
Whatever you get if it's a chain drive then get a scottoiller fitted.
I have insisted on one on all of my last 4 bikes they're an absolute godsend, yes the back of your bike gets a bit dirtier from the oil but if you're commuting regularly on it you can't be too precious about it
I've had one on the VFR800 I've had for the last 3 years, in the last 2 years I've used it daily to commute 15 miles each way and in all that time I have not had to replace either chain or sprockets. I haven't even had to adjust the chain tension and it's not exactly a light bike.
I refill the dispenser about once every 2-3 months and apart from a slight adjustment if it get's really hot or really cold for a long period to accommodate the oil flow change, that's all you have to do. No more worrying about remembering to oil the chain.
Heated grips/Jacket/Gloves also make a huge difference to comfort levels.
I also would agree that a 500cc bike is easier to ride than a 125.
go the direct access route if possible, it’s a lot easier.
i used to have a 600cc yamaha diversion, 60bhp, which doesn’t sound like much, but It was easily a match for an older 911 up to silly speeds.
don’t get sucked in to thinking you need a fireblade to go to work. (Not that there’s any reason you can’t of course)
E-bike ?
You’ll quickly end up spending more than car driving if the biking bug takes hold (& it will...) 🙂
And ditto the 500cc being easier to ride.
Hey Tim- do it.
You won't regret it...
Excelerate in Mytchett are great for the training bit.
Paul
Yes, technically you cant pass or fail a CBT but you need to complete it to get a nice certificate which is a pre-req for riding a moped / motorbike along with a provisional licence. There are some exceptions if you have other licences / limit your engine size.
Ok, so it’s not really a full-blown MLC (I’m only 38).
from http://www.riskprediction.org.uk/index_lifeexp.php
<b>Age Now: </b>38 years
<b>Years remaining: </b>42.28 years
<b>Life Expectancy: </b>80.28 years
you are pretty close
That super cub 125 is rather nice, I've one of the old c90s and it's probably the most fun bike I've had.
£10K ++ get you Kawasaki Z900RS 😀
I just bought a Kawasaki klx 250(1st ever bike) it's perfect and I love taking it on gravel roads etc and doing a bit of exploring.I was advised to get something bigger but I'm glad I didn't as I think it would have put me off
That said I already want to trade it in for a Royal Enfield Himalayan 🤫
Another Rachel +1.
no disbenefit in not taking the full licence.
I personally would advocate taking the full training as it does help prepare you for the road. Three days supervision of bike handling and negotiating the roads, well worth it imho.
even then, being let loose on your own in the ‘real’ world is pretty daunting for a start. Took me 5k miles to learn to actually ride my bike...
currently without a bike, was in the motorcycle shop checking out the triumph bonneville speedmaster at the week, oh Lordy, I want one....
£10K ++ get you Kawasaki Z900RS
Or... Even better... Gets you an MT-10 like mine!
My current commuter weapon! That said it's rather good fun at the weekends too...
You’ll get far more than 3000 miles from tyres on a “decent bike”. I used to get about 7000 on the rear of a 650 BMW twice as much on fronts.
My last rear was nearly good for the bin after just 1500 miles on this! I managed to tease it out to 1800 but it was shot to pieces. Current rear is coming up to 1800 miles and probably got another 3-400 in it before it too is ready for the bin! Ooops! :-p
Different tyres have different ages. I could buy super soft sportbike tyres for my S1000XR but I’d be a pauper riding 12000 miles a year!
as it happens, I can squeeze nearly 7000 out of a set of Michelin Pilot Road Sports. Good sport touring tyre.
Rachel
Gets you an MT-10 like mine!
Say... that's a nice bike.
(Looks like a bloody transformer!)
I am in the middle of a MLC as well, but 52 years of age
plus it's taking me years to build my Yam SR250 scrambler so I had the lessons (after CBT) and took my test in July.
I'm now the proud owner of this and love it , but it truth I have not been on anything except the MT07 that I learned on in order to compare.
as other have said, just get the CBT and do the direct access on the full bike, don't bother with the A2.
DO IT !!
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and lets you get to places like this with ease
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If your going to ride all through the year get a bike with decent mudguards. My Z1000 is great fun on my commute in dry weather. It's a pain in the wet as the hugger offers bugger all protection from spray when it's raining.
The bike gets very dirty as do my clothes.
Your hands will get cold so good gloves or heated grips are well worth having, if not essential.
I'd go for an upright bike rather than a sportsbike. Better contol and vision for the rush hour, especially if you're doing a lot of urban miles.
Get something big enough to keep you interested. You'll think most bikes are quick when you first start riding but you'll soon start to use more and more of the power and then find you need more.
Don't race other commuters. It gets silly filtering at 3 figure speeds. Certainly wakes you up though.
There’s something really really wrong with your set up if you’re only getting 1500 miles on that Yam from a rear!
That or you’re a ham-fisted monkey 😂
Seriously - spend a small amount on having it set up and you’ll see the mileage rise considerably even on race rubber.
There’s something really really wrong with your set up if you’re only getting 1500 miles on that Yam from a rear!
That or you’re a ham-fisted monkey
I'll go with ham-fisted. And i'll throw in a 'squared off' rather than 'shot to pieces' 😀
I'm sure it's fashionable for manufacturers to put soft, triple compound, race style tyres on a bike like that but considering it's engine size and weight (i'm assuming it's heavy - it looks heavy) there'll be better options out there that last a decent amount of miles and offer more than enough grip for the type of rider who chooses this style of bike.
Vortex, love the look of that Triumph btw
I’m in the process of (hopefully) acquiring my full licence at the moment. 40 years old and wanted a bike for years but wife had always vetoed it.
CBT was fun and fairly basic, the theory test was fairly easy too. A bit of revision but a lot of the knowledge comes from driving cars for 20 years.
I start my DAS on Monday and have already bought a 650!
When you upgrade you need to upgrade to this ... 😀
Honda Goldwing 2018 - I think Honda redesigned to reduce the weight a little.
I prefer my Goldwing!!
I prefer my Goldwing!!
Very nice looking classic Goldwing 😀
The modern version looks like the "transformer" that will turn into a talking robot. 😀
That said I already want to trade it in for a Royal Enfield Himalayan
Oddly, just had a sit on one of these at Robinson's of Rochdale at lunchtime.
They look fantastic, and I really fancy one, despite all the issues with the original carbed models.
However.
3000 mile service intervals for the valves. The service cost for this is less than £150, usually nearer to £100, but it's still crazily short for a modern bike.
They've sold loads and showed me all the work carried out at various services. No one's had any serious problems, yet. 🙂
Have a motorway commute and 24hp and a realistic 70mph is just a bit lacking.
Finish is a bit mixed - full stainless steel pipe, but it looks like it's been knocked up in a shed and the clocks look cheap.
No clutch cable adjuster at the lever.
Oddest of all, I'd read somewhere that the spokes, even though at first glance a straight pull design are actually slightly bent as they leave the hub. And upon inspection, yes they are. Why? Someone spec the wrong rims or hubs?
Heart says yes, head says run up the road to the Honda dealer and look for a secondhand CB500X.
In the time-honoured tradition of recommending what you've got - I've just bought a nearly new BMW F800R Sport. I wanted something smaller and lighter than my Tiger 800, but which could still handle a pillion. I really wanted a Street Triple (I've had 7 Triumphs in the last 17 years!), but my OH hated the pillion provision (can't blame her). Anyway, after getting used to the unusual engine noise, I really like it. It's quick enough, handles beautifully and as a bonus is incredibly economical.
Well, last Thursday I went to a "novice introduction" for a couple of hours of 1-2-1 coaching. Rode a 125 around a few cones at Dunsfold until the instructor was happy, and then we went for a spin around the perimeter road. It all seemed to go pretty smoothly, I even got as far as counter-steering. The hardest thing for me was the low-speed control, and adjusting my brain away from the MTB method of braking.
I will shortly book my CBT, and I'm actually thinking of getting a cheap 125 to commute and practice on for a while before I try for the big bikes. I'd like to get the clutch control and braking fully into muscle memory before I try anything more powerful.
Nice one.
Exactly the route I went down. I did a year on the 125 to get my confidence up.
One thing on Clutch control- on the 125 you can dump the clutch when shifting. On a big bike you will learn to feed the clutch. Really quickly.
Something like a Yamaha YBR125 is a great choice for the commuter bike. Mine was great, and so cheap to run.
Also- good 125's retain their value- I think I only lost £200 on the year with my YBR.
Normandy Motorcycles stock a lot of 125's and they are great guys. Definitely worth a visit, and just down the road.
Paul
My advice would be do a DAS course, buy something that actually you have some enthusiasm for. Ride it for a few weekends to get a feel for it. You might think its hard to start it will get easier.
Give it a chance is the big bit of advice, it will take time to get the right setup and the right kit etc. Once you do though if its for you (and its not for everyone) it will change your life 🙂
Black clouds outside and I have the Take the BMW for some warranty work this afternoon, with the right bike and the right kit it doesn't really matter.
@allthegear you had any problems with yours?
You don't need to worry about a clutch on the upshifts once you're above 1st, maybe 2nd depending on the bike
I found moving to a big bike so much easier. The bike was comfier, heavier, yet smoother and easier to ride. Strange I know. That was on my DAS moving from a 125 to a 500. Went straight onto an SV650s after I passed
You don’t need to worry about a clutch on the upshifts once you’re above 1st, maybe 2nd depending on the bike
Great advice for someone looking to pass their test 😀
Maybe if you added something along the lines of...roll off the throttle slightly if not using the clutch on upshifts... Better to learn how to use the clutch properly ime
I could quite easily see how you could only get 1500 miles out of a rear on an MT-10 with a soft sports tyre. I have seen off a Rosso Corsa in a little over 2000 not riding stupidly on my Tuono V4.
I have had a couple of pairs of Metzler Roadtec 01's on the S1000XR recently, sport touring tyre. They last probably 4000miles. I get about 3000 from a Rosso II. I think I am going to go back to a sportier tyre, the sports touring tyres may last a bit longer but the profile is not as nice a a sports tyre even from the start, even worse when it squares off a bit. So think I will give the Metzler M7RR a go next. They may last a 1000 or so miles less but they are actually cheaper than 01's so swings and roundabouts. Just a pain when on a long tour.
I found moving to a big bike so much easier. The bike was comfier, heavier, yet smoother and easier to ride.
Same. Did my CBT as part of a Direct Access course a few years ago. No immediate plans to buy a road bike, just wanted to be able to and the option to do road sections on the trials bike. 3rd CBT I think - couple of stints on L-Plates when I was younger, never took the test.
Riding around on the 125, I kept thinking "Why am I doing this?!" All the practical drawbacks of biking v. hopping in the car swam to the surface, and it wasn't even any fun!
Different story on the 500, though, felt like it was supposed to, as above - comfier, smoother, enough power (only 47bhp) rather than not enough. Definitely an "Aha!" moment getting out of town on that one.
I'm now selling the trials bike, but keeping the CBR1000F I bought off my brother shortly after I passed. There's a recommendation. Good introduction to big bikes. It's big and heavy, but very smooth power delivery and very predictable handing. Traditional Honda build quality, so high mileage examples shouldn't be an issue. Some people slag them off for being boring, but they've got a lot of fans in the people who ride them.
Probably doesn't tick your boxes, I commute 50 miles into London every now and then, and it's not ideal for nipping in and out of traffic. 40mpg ish too.
I will shortly book my CBT, and I’m actually thinking of getting a cheap 125 to commute and practice on for a while before I try for the big bikes
This is what I did for 6 months over winter to see if commuting by bike was something I wanted to do long term. If you buy a second hand 125 and look after it you wont loose too much on exchange.
@Euro - my comment re clutchless changes was aimed at tootalpaul who doesn't appear to be a novice rider
My CBT instructor was useless, my proper DAS instructor was much better. Quick top tips for slow speed moving
- slightly more revs, slip clutch, use rear brake (right foot). That keeps it balanced and upright
- look where you want to go. If you're doing a u-turn turn your head and look at the exit. Trust me, the bike will just follow. don't look down
Wish my CBT instructor had told me that
I did mt CBT in April 2014 then got a 125 to commute to work, did that for 6 months then passed the full test in October 2014. Got myself a cheap little Honda CB400 to commute on, went to Wales/Devon/Belgium and Germany on it:
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Then got an Aprilia Tuono as a nice summer bike to keep it company:
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Then I sold the CB400 and replaced it with a 5th gen VFR800, commuted on that and did a 3000 mile Alps trip on it:
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The, after 45k+ miles of commuting/touring I changed jobs to one 2 miles away 6 months ago and got rid of the VFR, which just leaves me with the Tuono and I'll soon have a winter commuter in the form of a Subaru Legacy Spec B. 🙂 4 winters of commuting was enough, if I was still doing 200 miles a week I reckon I had another 1-2 winters on a bike in me.
May I suggest a Panigale?
Cougar
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As far as I’m aware you cannot fail a CBT – it’s Compulsory Basic Training. If you do “fail” you’ll be invited to come back the next day. At least, that’s what I was told when I did mine.
Well, people always say that but if you do the training and don't get the pass certificate what is that if it's not a fail?
I gave up bikes @ 35 & have not really missed them at all , kinda weird as I absolutely lived for them since I was a teenager. Been semi interested in an XR 400 for a bit but the prices people are asking for them is a joke & I don't care how great the classic air cooled traily is I aint forking 2k + for a 20 year old bike.
However recently these have caught my eye , I think it looks the dogs & there is some bargains out there 3k for something a year old with a few hundred miles is possible.
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That is one nice KTM
I'm 3 months and 3000 miles into Duke 390 ownership. Commuting 70 miles a day and all I can say is that it is a fantastic bike. It's the perfect amount of power for UK speed limits, enough grunt for motorways and safe overtakes on single carriageway roads but I doubt it would top 90mph, immense fun on the B roads and almost as nimble as a pushbike around town. I've had a big V-twin cruiser, scooters, an 80s classic, a sports-tourer and a supersport, but the Duke is rapidly becoming my favourite. Get one vongassit, you'll love it.
I really like the Duke 390. Cracking looking little bike, I'd like one but wouldn't want to sell my Blade, and don't have room for 2 (or time to ride both)
Well. I passed on Friday morning and went to pick up my bike in the afternoon. Did 90 miles on it Friday and commuted on it yesterday. I bought a 2008 er6n. Brilliant fun so far.
Good stuff 👍 get a pic up then!
400's are great fun and perfect for the road - fast enough up to 80 to beat 95% of cars (5 seconds 0-60) and yet only do 110-120 tops so you can thrash it around in every gear and not be doing stupid speeds. And they're so light they handle brilliantly.
Congratulations! Well done!
Well done Andy!
I passed my MOD 1 last week, MOD 2 is coming up shortly...
I was thinking of getting a Yamaha MT-07 or Honda CB650 or similar - but I do like the look of the KTM 390. And sounds like the power of these size machines is good and being a bit lighter certainly makes them a tempting choice...
Well I'm currently trying to come up with ideas why I shouldn't buy the KTM. Winters on it's way & our roads suck! are the 2 best so far ,closly followed by your a fkn idiot on a motorcycle : ) That 1 should probably be at the top of the list.
Loving the look of that KTM Duke, stunning bike.
Did my CBT last year and A licence in July. Was going to get a Suzuki SV650 or Yamaha MT07 but ended up with a 16 plate Triumph Street Triple R 675. Loving the smooth 3 cylinder engine.
STR is a wondrous bike
Picking this chunky beast up at the weekend. It was a Cat N, and the only damage seems to be a dent in the tank.
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It's a retro retro GSX750W. Year 2000, and retro when it was bought out and now even retroerer. It's in fantastic condition for its age and only 15k.on clock.
It'll compliment my 1982 Gsx400f well and will now be the youngster bike 😁
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Both will have modifications along the way. Thinking about a flat tracker build for the 750.
I like the GSX. I so want a "muscle" bike...