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The reports that were initially put out to the press were saying that the prisoner had been attacked."Prison staff do not attack prisoners. We feel that the Ministry of Justice missed an opportunity to correct false reporting of events at Belmarsh."
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He said that, although restraint techniques were designed to minimise injuries to staff and prisoners, "sometimes there are unforeseen consequences in any violent incident".Earlier, he had said: "We are absolutely confident, having spoken to our members, that they will have been found to have done absolutely nothing wrong at all.
Two wrongs do not make a right- However it is only him claiming it so I remain to be convinced he was assaulted
I want to believe that prison officers will apply the same procedures to all prisoners, regardless of their notoriety. If this is the case, I have nothing but respect for them.
That's why I couldn't do their job. I'd go right through this @$&t like a dose of the shits.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but I'd have to try really hard to care at all about what happens to him.
All the time and effort going into investigating this could be better spent I'm sure.
One would assume that even the dimmest Prisoner Officer would have the sense not to get involved in anything dodgy with such a high profile prisoner let alone five of them.
I really do care about the poor chap.
I hope his life is pain and misery for as long as he lives. Thank goodness we all live longer nowadays.
I really hope no one has has ballsed up their job over this. Just not worth it.
only the other week i watching a doc about the number of ex service men in prison.
sometimes these things sort them selves out.
In 30 years time when we are cutting oil deals with the Taliban and he is sitting in his cell trying to remember the last time he spent an hour in the arms of someone he loved I hope he may feel it wasn't worth all the grief.
[quote=zippykona said] he is sitting in his cell trying to remember the last time he spent an hour in the arms of someone he loved
Bubba, cell wing 3A.
when we are cutting oil deals with the Taliban
When you say 'we' do you mean the Chinese ?
It sucks to be an MI5 patsy.
[b][i][u]LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, DON YOUR TIN FOIL HATS! [/u][/i][/b]
It sucks to be an MI5 patsy.
Lordy Lordy.
There's really not a lot you won't believe is there 🙄
MI5 make pasties?
There's quite a lot he won't believe, basically most of what is written in newspapers.
Oh, so when Greggs say "pies", they mean "spies"!
I see it all so clearly now...
CFH you know too much.
i thought it was pastries
I think jivehoneyjive is a choux-in for conspiracy-nut of the forum.
He's barely half as gullible and easily led as Kaeaseaeasaae was, but he's no longer here to defend his crown so the title is up for grabs.
At least Kaesae was fun.
He's barely half as gullible and easily led as Kaeaseaeasaae was
It's funny how myths develop. Kaesae had some rather unusual opinions, to say the least, but he never struck me as gullible. A great deal of what he said actually warranted some serious consideration imo**. And he triggered off a few fairly interesting debates, again imo. I can't really say the same about ickehoneyicke.
**As an example kaesae challenged the claim made by the Western media that the opposition in Syria were necessarily the good guys, calling them terrorists. Today even David Cameron appears to agree with kaesae and no longer wants to arm them.
I think jivehoneyjive is a choux-in for conspiracy-nut of the forum.
Well, he's certainly settling in to the roll well.
I think he was bread for the part.
he was probably bending over to pick up the soap, and slipped forward, and those 5 prison officers just tried to help him up..............
Would you say the forum really kneaded a replacement, though?
There's really not a lot you won't believe is there
except the truth
Kaesae did have some interesting points of view but he ruined them all with his presentations style which was a STW version of Alex Jones.
[i]he was probably bending over to pick up the soap, and slipped forward, and those 5 prison officers just tried to help him up..............[/i]
5 screws in a shower with 1 prisoner? Well there's not much room to maneuver in those places i suppose. 😉
What [u]could[/u] have happened is this, Mr Adebolajo was showing aggression &/or not complying with officers orders/prison rules, officers deem it necessary to apply control & restraint (which should be a)necessary & b)proportionate to the threat) The officer who's trying to control Mr A's head (so he doesn't get injured/can hear staff speaking to him/can breathe) fails to ensure that as Mr A is lowered to the ground in a safe manner, that Mr A's face doesn't SLAM into the floor (thats a big no-no see) it could all be on camera too.
Shit happens in the job, in fact [u]anything[/u] can happen.
I'd be surprised if the prison guards bothered as you'd think there'd be a long line of inmates willing to do the job.
Sucks to be an MI6 chapatsi.
Didnt curry him any favour though did it?
Surely they could just tikka look at the CCTV footage to see what happened?
Didnt curry him any favour though did it?
Heard he had a dodgy one and ended up with a dosa the squits.
Oh and email I up wrecker!! 😉
Will do darcy. Just on my way to the pump house!
Reap what you sow.
Not clear who you're talking about there, Hora.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but I'd have to try really hard to care at all about what happens to him.
All the time and effort going into investigating this could be better spent I'm sure.
I don't think it could. If you let people get away with battering people because we don't like the victims, the batterers will take that as carte blanche to batter other people; similarly, if you allow serious allegations to go unchallenged, you create distrust in the justice system and innocent accused are not vindicated.
So where can I get this MI5 Pastis then, and how does it compare with my fave, Ricard?
As you would expect, when MI5 is in the mix, the water goes cloudy... bit of a bitter taste though; pretty exclusive too.
Perhaps I am but a naive and foolish young thing, but could it be there is more to this story than is readily portrayed in this age of D notices and secret courts (in the interest of national security of course old boy)??
jivehoneyjive - Member
You offer that as if it is a startlingly new revelation that hasn't already been given extensive media coverage.
Or are you darkly suggesting that MI5 [i]did[/i] in fact recruit Adebolajo, and that he carried out the alleged murder under the instructions of his MI5 handler ?
If you look really closely at the video footage you can see his handler just behind the grassy Knoll
You offer that as if it is a startlingly new revelation that hasn't already been given extensive media coverage.Or are you darkly suggesting that MI5 did in fact recruit Adebolajo, and that he carried out the alleged murder under the instructions of his MI5 handler ?
A revelation which for the most part appears to have been swept under the carpet and forgotten about, with no further need for investigation.
Going on previous form of the dark arts of manipulation, blackmail and falsification, it wouldn't be too far fetched to imagine that intelligence services are capable of such dire feats.
A revelation which for the most part appears to have been swept under the carpet and forgotten about, with no further need for investigation.
MI5 apparently tries to recruit muslims to inform them of the activities of extremists, is there something wrong with that ? Is this suppose to be shocking ? Why would it need further investigation ?
It hasn't been "swept under the carpet" or "forgotten about". If indeed it's even true - we only have the claim of Adebolajo's friend.
None of it proves that Adebolajo carried out the alleged murder under the instruction of MI5. Although I guess that doesn't make the slightest difference to you ? 🙂
To be honest, I'm still a bit confused by the lack of blood on the attackers clothes and the lack of damage to the sign post the car crashed into... their swift appearances in court after being repeatedly shot was also worthy of note.
What this means, who knows?... it certainly doesn't prove anything, but there again, neither does your argument.
Jive, I will put this question to you. Quite simply what do you think happened that day?
I'm still a bit confused by the lack of blood on the attackers clothes and the lack of damage to the sign post the car crashed into
Lee Rigby wasn't really killed ?
Or was he already dead ? !!!
What does STW's inhouse conspiracy theorist claim ?
Going on previous form of the dark arts of manipulation, blackmail and falsification, it wouldn't be too far fetched to imagine that intelligence services are capable of such dire feats.
Imagining things is easy. This afternoon I was sitting in a park and imagined doing doughnuts on the grass in a stolen BT Transit van. Just cos you can imagine something it doesn't mean it happened.
Man chops up innocent person with knife in cold blood on high street in full view of witnesses. man goes to prison for murder. man has bad time in prison. Maybe, just maybe, don't go chopping people up if you want an easier life?
Jive, I will put this question to you. Quite simply what do you think happened that day?
Thats a fine question and one which stumps me to some extent~ I'd far prefer to believe the official story, but, that said, there are so many factors which bring it into question that I struggle to believe things went exactly as portrayed.
The concept that there was actors involved and it was a staged event is pretty far fetched and would surely unravel over time as someone came forward.
Prior intelligence services involvement is certainly a possibility~ at the end of the day, it's not as if soldiers don't regularly die in vain in unjustified wars, so what is one more life to feed the system which fuels a hugely profitable weapons industry, with additional benefits from resources.
Whilst I don't necessarily go with this account of events, there is some interesting points raised here:
http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/?p=13220
What does STW's inhouse conspiracy theorist claim ?
He got banned iirc, for being batshit mental, despite offering excellent services to those requiring bearings.
I'm still a bit confused by the lack of blood on the attackers clothes and the lack of damage to the sign post the car crashed into
Did you see the video of his rant afterwards? Covered in claret.
Arresting people 'just in case'? That was minority report wasn't it?
As much as I distrust my government, I don't believe they would hire someone to do this so they can have a war.
I seem to recall that all they have to do is to claim something, ignore the UN and they can have all the wars they want.
As much as I distrust my government, I don't believe they would hire someone to do this so they can have a war.
But British involvement in the war in Afghanistan started 10 years ago. Britain is now actively trying to get out.
Was Lee Rigby murdered by MI5 to provide an accuse to get out of Afghanistan ? !
Since Lee Rigby's death : [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23387861 ]UK troops' step up Afghan withdrawal[/url]
Yes good point we would all be annoyed as hell if they left the illegal war "theatre and what better justification for leaving can there be than this - I mean if anything else can show we have reduced the terrorism threat in this country and defeated the axis of evil it is a terrorist attack
I don't necessarily go with this account of events, there is some interesting points raised here:
No there is not it is just the witering ramblings of a nut job
Some of the video claims are hilarious - a person "disappearing" behind a moving truck being my favourite
Back on point.
I too find it difficult to care about this guy, however prison officers need to be totally and completely neutral when dealing with prisoners both on remand and after conviction. Their job is to keep the public protected from suspected and convicted criminals. It is not to dish out retribution on our behalf.
Having said that we only have the word of a relative of a suspected murderer. Five officers have been suspended on full pay whilst an investigation is carried out. Let's wait and see what the outcome of the investigation says.
Is there any chance that he can claim political prisoner status..?
Is there such a thing still...?
Wow that chrisspivey dude is a bit mental to say the least isn't he!
My favourite bit is when he's ranting that none of the witnesses will accept his facebook friend requests 😀
Yes that was quite funny as well - be fair one did for 30 minutes 😉
The internet sometimes gives you an insight into someone else mind and sometimes that mind is disorganised and a fruit loop
I'm sure Jonathan Creek could tell us how it was done.
😆I'm sure Jonathan Creek could tell us how it was done.
The motive is still not obvious at this stage~ at the time, I thought that since troops were being withdrawn from Afghanistan, it was a means of stirring up sufficient public support for re-deploying them to Syria; however, at this stage, it seems that avenue has flopped.
Time will tell...
See so nefarious and nebulous not even jive can come up with a reason for why "they"* would do it
* No I dont know who "they" are either
You're still more likely to be killed by a bee sting or a police officer than a terrorist though (if this did qualify as a terrorist act?), despite the fear mongering... maybe that's why the bee population is mysteriously dwindling, to rig the stats 😉
Time will tell...
How about this theory : a couple of violent individuals with serious personality disorders who channeled their energies into an extremist religious and political cause, took it upon themselves to commit a particularly cruel and despicable terrorist act to gain publicity and notoriety ?
Or is that theory a bit too farfetched for you ?