[Closed] Mayweather Vs McGregor

- watch out for that vicious backhand.

Pretty sure that's a DQ

Beaten to it. Must read/watch video quicker

and the subsequent disqualification.

My heart sank a little when I learned spinning back fists where not allowed.

Spinning is fine though if that helps Jamie

Quite an interesting back story about that bloke.

reckon it'll go eight rounds . . . McGregor will KO Mayweather. There's gonna be punches raining in from places that Mayweather doesn't know exist - watch out for that vicious backhand.

Conor can't throw anything more than a 2 punch combo ... he simply does not have the boxing skills to pressure Mayweather as Maidana did.
Right - left ... then he needs to re-set/position himself.

Big surprise here will be seeing the effect the non-punching feather fisted Mayweather has on McGregor... it will look like he being hit by Mike Tyson

The stance McGregor takes will give him no leaverage for throwing punches.

Am I being cynical in thinking it is all a big con?

Some sound technical advice for McGregor courtesy of Malignaggi 😆

Pigface

Am I being cynical in thinking it is all a big con?

Depends on how you define con, but yes you are being cynical.

Not a con, it's entrainment in theory not an actual contest. I'm just not of the impression it'll actually be entertaining - regardless of it being one sided or not, Mayweather would have to not be Mayweather for it to be entertaining.

dangeourbrain - Member

regardless of it being one sided or not, Mayweather would have to not be Mayweather for it to be entertaining.

I think (or certainly hope) that McGregor will bring enough of his style and mannerisms to keep it entertaining up to a point. I fully expect hands behind his back, creeping across the ring like a spider monkey and epic, epic amounts of shit talking.

Also he'll neutralize Floyd in the clinch, if not dump him on his ass so that incredibly frustrating aspect of Floyds game may not be so bad.

I reckon k.o for Floyd. Watch the Hatton fight and see how energetic Hatton was. Floyd just soaked it up for a while without using too much energy then picked him apart.

I expect McGregor to be fitter than when fighting Diaz but in the first fight Diaz landed a decent shot and Mcgregor looked knackered instantly. I see this happening again.

Big mma fan and boxing fan but not a CM fan really. Mayweather has earned his place at the top of boxing CM not so much. For me its a shame this fight is happening I'd have loved to have seen CM versus Khabib or Tony Fergouson, he could have cleared out the division! (or not) As it is he hasn't defended either of his titles once.

Also he'll neutralize Floyd in the clinch, if not dump him on his ass so that incredibly frustrating aspect of Floyds game may not be so

I'm not so sure, I'll be honest, if i were Mayweather I'd be staying well away from that, one thing McGregor definitely has plenty of experience of is grappling and i don't think I'd be keen to see how effective he is that close, especially given Floyd has no need to hug him. Just stand and out box him.

Equally though I'm not sure how well McGregor will do in a cinch, it's a damn fine line between a hug or a wrestle and dq, and one thing that's nearly impossible to do in the time frame he's had is train your self not to do things which you've spent a long time making reflex.

(And actually that's a huge problem for McGregor, he's not just fighting the best boxer of his generation, he's fighting himself and years of MMA training too)

one thing that's nearly impossible to do in the time frame he's had is train your self not to do this which you've spent a long time making reflex.

This, really think CM will find it hard to suppress years of training and not do something outside the rules of boxing. Especially when tired after a few rounds/punches.

dangeourbrain - Member

I'm not so sure, I'll be honest, if i were Mayweather I'd be staying well away from that, one thing McGregor definitely has plenty of experience of is grappling and i don't think I'd be keen to see how effective he is that close, especially given Floyd has no need to hug him.

It's a pretty key component of Floyd's game. He favours the clinch a lot either to neutralize opponents or to stall, or punch out of it. A lot of boxers instantly stop working, wait for the ref once the clinch is initiated. If he does clinch with McGregor it'll be fascinating to see what happens.

Equally though I'm not sure how well McGregor will do in a cinch, it's a damn fine line between a hug or a wrestle and dq, and one thing that's nearly impossible to do in the time frame he's had is train your self not to do this which you've spent a long time making reflex.

Which is why he's been working with Joe Cortez. Not that he needs to train himself out of habits as you describe, almost the opposite is true. He won't reflexively shoot a double on Floyd, they'll be exploring hip, knee and foot placements.

LeeW

This, really think CM will find it hard to suppress years of training and not do something outside the rules of boxing. Especially when tired after a few rounds/punches.

No. It's easy. Straight boxing is something Conor will have been doing as at part of his training for over ten years. Same with straight jiu jitsu. MMA athletes cross over and back into other combat sports all the time and what you are describing almost never happens.

If he did do something like that it would be a conscious decision.

MMA athletes cross over and back into other combat sports all the time and what you are describing almost never happens.

Train in them I'm sure but that's in no way the same as a pro fight with a pro ref, the rules might be the same but the application even from first to second teir is definitely not. (And we're not talking a "sneaky knee" or anything, were talking a bit too much of a grab etc. For a (poor) analogy, I'd get away with binding in a scrum very very differently at my local club than if i were playing for the England team)

I had money on him as soon as the betting lines came up on William Hill.

dangeourbrain

Train in them I'm sure but that's in no way the same as a pro fight with a pro ref, the rules might be the same but the application even from first to second teir is definitely not.

Sorry but that's nonsense. Not only do they cross train, they compete. The most obvious ones are grappling and brazilian jiujitsu tournaments where no striking is allowed. It's completely normal to see elite mma fighters compete in grappling matches like ADCC, EBI, IBJJF etc. They compete in judo, they compete in kickboxing and muay thai and of course boxing. Both amateur and professional and what you are describing virtually never happens.

I've had plenty of grappling matches with professional mma fighters and retired ones and at no point did they forget what they were doing and start raining down elbows from the guard.

[i]If[/i] Mayweather did something egregious, like bite McGregor or headbutt him repeatedly, he might respond in kind by launching his head into the front row like a football, but no.

zilog6128

just out of interest, what odds did you get?

I have him at 50/1 in the first and 40/1 in the 4th iirc.

just out of interest, what odds did you get? I'd be tempted to have a little tickle now, only the potential return not really worth it! (Although still probably unusually long odds for a boxing match!)

I got 5-1 outright on June 21st with SkyBet.

I've had plenty of grappling matches with professional mma fighters and retired ones and at no point did they forget what they were doing and start raining down elbows from the guard.

Hence the sneaky knee comment, it's not about being a long way outside, it's about how tightly the rules are enforced. Whilst I'll take your point to some extent, he's not normally competing at this level in this sport. I'm not suggesting he's going to deliberately smack Floyd in the nethers, I'm am suggesting that the rules are deliberately constrictive, and there are plenty of people in all sports, who fall foul (sorry for the pun) when progressing through different levels a sport they do do, let alone jumping in at the deep end.

I have him at 50/1 in the first and 40/1 in the 4th iirc.

I got 5-1 outright on June 21st with SkyBet.

dangeourbrain - Member

Hence the sneaky knee comment, it's not about being a long way outside, it's about how tightly the rules are enforced. Whilst I'll take your point to some extent, he's not normally competing at this level in this sport. I'm not suggesting he's going to deliberately smack Floyd in the nethers, I'm am suggesting that the rules are deliberately constrictive, and there are plenty of people in all sports, who fall foul (sorry for the pun) when progressing through different levels a sport they do do, let alone jumping in at the deep end.

There's a chasm of difference between him forgetting what he's doing and resorting to "an mma move" and being admonished by the ref for being too rough in the clinch.

Apparently he had two points taken off him in the spar with Malignaggi for being too rough. The reason McGregor's camp chose Cortez was because he's notoriously tight on the rules and doesn't tolerate excessive clinch work. You can read plenty into that if you want.

and being admonished by the ref for being two rough in the clinch.

Granted

There is also a chasm though between someone sparing and trying to train you and someone in competition trying to beat you, part of which is by manipulating the ref.

It's a long way adrift i know but i doubt very much soccer players go down so hard/dramatic in training as on the pitch on match day and i fully expect if McGregor gives him an inch Mayweather will be taking a mile. (And i suspect he'll be under a whole bucket load of extra scrutiny given his background)

nice, sadly nothing like either of those available now!!

I dunno. Round betting isn't too bad.

dangeourbrain - Member

It's a long way adrift i know but i doubt very much soccer players go down so hard/dramatic in training as on the pitch on match day and i fully expect if McGregor gives him an inch Mayweather will be taking a mile. (And i suspect he'll be under a whole bucket load of extra scrutiny given his background)

I take your point about gaming the ref but it's a big part of Mayweather's game to fight in the clinch, rough house in the clinch and punch out of the clinch when his opponents are expecting a separation. He uses it to frustrate and tire his opponents. The Pacquiao fight is an example of where Mayweather's opponent was the one trying to play the ref by dropping his arms and going limp in the clinch.

It's never 100% one way or the other but typically Floyd enjoys dominating the clinch.

I doubt Mcgregor will be too bothered by losing points ... but losing by disqualification is a different matter; because apparently if he fouls and gets disqualified he doesn`t get paid.

Floyd will be setting traps that he wouldnt even try on another top class boxer ... and Conor will get caught out by them and not even know why he keeps getting caught.
People who have never boxed do not see the traps and little tricks the top guys do, and so wrongly assume it just trading punches, and the biggest or hardest hitting guy wins.

People who have never boxed do not see the traps and little tricks the top guys do,

Very true

and so wrongly assume it just trading punches, and the biggest or hardest hitting guy wins.

I don't believe anyone who has ever even watched any combat sport thinks this, let alone someone who has participated at the level McGregor has.

If nothing else, Conor deserves credit for being able to present the air of confidence he does.

If he is actually buys his own he'll get dumped on his backside with the first minute.

(The same is true of Mayweather if he turns up for a walk of ccourse)

Jesus Christ on a bike, this post blew up didn't it!

Even though, thanks to all the experts, I now know exactly what's going to happen Sunday, I still can t wait to watch it.
I genuinely cannot see mcgregor doing what De la Hoya, Canelo, Pacman failed to do. Even a 100mph Ricky Hatton couldn't rough him up. There's just something about his self confidence that almost makes me think I'm a fool to doubt him 😆

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Some cheeky scamp has been updating Malignaggi's wiki page.

Steve Bunce is such a donut.

Weight in happening now, Mayweather`s walk out music was phil collins :/

Mcgregor - 153lbs
Mayweather - 149.5lbs

just watched it. i had go for mc gregor

Conor probably a good 20lbs heavier than floyd tomorrow.

Looking forward to it

Ive got a few little bets on to make things interesting.

Now do I sleep early and wake up for it or stay up?

BoardinBob - Member

Conor probably a good 20lbs heavier than floyd tomorrow.

I think the max he can fight at tomorrow is 168lbs.

Haven't seen a maximum weight mentioned in the build up. Would be amazed if Conor doesn't weigh more than 168 tomorrow

I've stuck money on Conor to win in round 1,2,3,4 or 5 and (or) Floyd to win on points

Mayweather`s walk out music was phil collins

Bizarrely popular amongst black and hip hop culture

I believe there's a maximum percentage of the fight weight he can weigh in at under the rule set.

Two thoroughly unpleasant individuals; McGregor is doing a great job of presenting himself as an ignorant, arrogant shit.
Mayweather should have stayed away from this but....maybe he needs the money.
If Mayweather hasn't lost too much of his skill he should punish McGregor just enough in every round to make it very painful and give him a legal working over and we will the see how much 'heart' McGregor has - stick it for 12 rounds of unrelenting punishment or throw in the towel?

TBH I don't care who does it... I just want to see Mayweather sparked out in the first round.

The more ignominious and anticlimtic... the better.

I want it to be so embarrassinghe can never show his **** face in public again.

I'll be happy to see either knocked out.

Not sure why other boxers/mmartists dont cotton on to the fact that being a **** gets ppvs. Kevin Lee slightly trying, Rockhold would be brilliant at it!

I can't imagine Mcgregor ever weighing 168 I bumped into him in Lakeside, he's tiny!

rankconway - Member

If Mayweather hasn't lost too much of his skill he should punish McGregor just enough in every round to make it very painful and give him a legal working over and we will the see how much 'heart' McGregor has - stick it for 12 rounds of unrelenting punishment or throw in the towel?

Much as we saw when Tony Bellew turned his back to quit against Adonis Stevenson ... all pre-fight big talk, especially by the most vocal, is very often more about a person trying to convince themselves more than their opponent, and once they start catching a few hurtful shots all their insecurities come back to them.

The weight isnt an issue - not long ago it was common for top guys to move up divisions once they dominated their own division. If Mcgregor could actually box, and knew how to best use the weight advantage it may have cause for concern - but he doesnt ... itll be 2 punch combos falling short from him.

Mayweather will TKO him in the 5th.

McG will KO him in the 4th. 😀

Conor seems pretty cool when I've seen vids of him interacting with fans on a one to one level so it's obvious he's acting the dildo because he thinks it will get under mayweathers skin like it did aldo,but lets face it,ufc fighters first line of defence when trading punches is their face,he is in a different universe now,his only chance is be the Wildman and hope something lands,he will gas as usual and quit.

... lets face it,ufc fighters first line of defence when trading punches is their face...

pondo - Member

... lets face it,ufc fighters first line of defence when trading punches is their face...

Like.

Excessive head movement or bobbing and weaving will get you kicked in the head. Four ounce gloves don't allow you to create the same protective shell that boxing gloves do, and if you did you'd be leaving yourself open to a liver kick or a takedown.

But yeah, they block punches with their face. Some deep insight there 😆

But yeah, they block punches with their face. Some deep insight there

To be fair, Justin Gaethje does just that 🙂

Conor talks shit to hype the fight but he comes across as a good guy normally

Mayweather on the other hand is an absolute scumbag by all accounts

The big weight advantage may sound like it evens things up, but canelo weighed around 170 against mayweather in their fight, and it didn't help him in any way. And canelo is a pfp boxer who is as young as mcgregor and will punch just as hard with far better combinations and accuracy.

McGregor has two hopes, either mayweather has not taken this seriously, or he's completely shot since retirement. Either are possible which is why it's not a total foregone conclusion..

If mcgregor wins he'll proclaim himself the king of boxing. Hopefully he'll back it up with a fight against the winner of ggg vs canelo. That would be an absolute massacre.

Jamie - Member

But yeah, they block punches with their face. Some deep insight there

To be fair, Justin Gaethje does just that

Yeah and Gaethje has said he doesn't care about getting brain damage so..... 😕

Yeah and Gaethje has said he doesn't care about getting brain damage so.....

That'll be the brain damage talking.

Anyone and everyone thinking that this is anything other than a multi-million making pantomime is deluded. The whole thing is carefully considered and choreographed.

It'll last to round 5 or 6, in order to provide some kind of satisfactory show for the crowd, at which point Mayweathers contractual domincance will see Greg KO'd.

If I'm wrong, pedigree will destroy Greg in the first round.

Who's Greg?

Boxing has a proud recent history of producing shit fights wherever the hand of expectation weighes heavy. Not expecting a lot of choreography tonight.

[i]Anyone and everyone thinking that this is anything other than a multi-million making pantomime is deluded. [/i]

Agreed!
This will go down in history along with Ali v Antonio Inoki and Tyson v Shawn Michaels (I had to look those up).

...but will probably still be more entertaining than Mayweather v Pacquiao.

I'll wait til they show it free next week. Cleverly v Jack is an interesting fight.

pondo - Member
Boxing has a proud recent history of producing shit fights wherever the hand of expectation weighes heavy. Not expecting a lot of choreography tonight

No doubt there has been some damp squibs but away from the superfights there have been some absolute crackers recently, and even then some of the recent big fights have been good (josh vs wlad for example)

If you havent seen him, go and watch Lomachenko's pro fights. Its like something from the matrix.

All this talk of boxing being dead is nonsense.

Lomachenko
GGG
Crawford
Canelo
Spence Jr
Thurman
Rigondeaux
Mikey Garcia
Joshua
Roman Gonzalez
Etc

All a joy to watch

If anyones up, the Cotto fight on box nation is great. Cotto looking brilliant in his last ever fight against a man mountain that keeps coming forward

how long did that take to choreograph?

1. Allow Conor to appear to outbox Mayweather for rounds (but Floyd doesn't have to take any big punches ... just jabs).
2. Make it look like Mayweather has forgotten how to box or throw a combination.
3. TKO him when you think the crowd have enjoyed it.

Well there's the TKO

Allow Conor to appear to outbox Mayweather for rounds

Were you watching the same fight?

Being offensive while landing absolutely nothing despite scoring you points for being offensive isn't outboxing someone.

It was simply a case of letting him tire and finding his gaps.

Mayweather was just getting started when the call came. Did anyone else catch the ferousious upper cut that wasn't far off landing on McGregor's chin in the round before. Don't care how good your chin is- if that connected it would have been good night vienna.

McGregor never even got close to looking like he was troubling Mayweather.

Mayweather choreographed it for sure, Connor not in on it.

Win a round by landing a big punch, or a single jab ... still wins you the round. And a glancing jabs was prob what gave Conor the early rounds. Because Mayweather did nothing.

the circus is over now anyways. The MMA guys now seem happy; from being 100% their man would KO Mayweather within 3 rounds ... now they are happy their guy managed to not get KO'd till the 10th, they so easy to please!

Remind me again why winning rounds matters when you been KO before it went the distance.

Why would you risk letting your guard down to someone who's fighting like he's on a punch bag in the gym. With the best will In the world McGregor couldn't keep that up for 12(or even 4 as the case was) and Mayweather knows that. Let the man tire him self out then pick up the pieces

The MMA fans appear happy their man won those first 3 rounds ... and even managed to not get stopped till the 10th.
It's called a moral victory ... I not get it either!

Yeah but those self same MMA fans are now wittering on about if it has been MMA Floyd would have got wooped.

No shit.

Bit like why you don't see Lewis Hamilton playing in goals for manchester united

Actually all the MMA fans are chipping in to pay for the surgery to remove the sticks that seemed to be stuck up most boxing fan's arses.

Is this the fighting bat going on... honestly it was dull neither came out of it that well, not really a spectacle or entertaining in the end. The winners were the players and promoters bank accounts

Fighting bat? Is that Conor's next opponent?

that was autocorrected from bantz, though judging by the performance he might struggle against a punching bag for tactics

[i] The winners were the players and promoters bank accounts[/i]

Shocker! 😆

True Dez but I wonder how those lads feel now who quit their jobs in Ireland to fly to Vegas for the fight, did anyone here think it would have had an audience without the names?

True Dez but I wonder how those lads feel now who quit their jobs in Ireland to fly to Vegas for the fight, did anyone here think it would have had an audience without the names?

That's a stupid thing to do but hardly the fault of the promoters.

not blaming them at all but struggling to see either boxing or mma coming out of this too well in terms of putting on a show. Did I miss something exciting in there?
McGregor never looked threatening, mayweather was just patient but not bold enough to flatten him.

Just announced, these two will go head to head in a cross discipline tournament to decide who is 'the best'. Their disciplines are basically the same, so it should make for a good spectacle and resolve the argument that has got millions* worked up - which is the better pointy object throwing discipline?

*A few promoters and a few tosspots.

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I loved the look Mayeather gave Connor after (iirc) the 2nd round; sat on his stool, refuses water, moves his corner man out of the way & just looks over at Mcgregor. Camera cuts to Mcg and he has 2 ice packs on and is gasping!

Berto has an interview on youtube saying what its like to fight Mayweather and his impression is spot on!

Edit: Target javelin, I'd watch that!