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My brother has shed envy, so he asked if I would build him one.
The ground was permafrosted then we got snowed off late in the afternoon, but we've got the materials on site and the first couple of poles in. Weather permitting we should make some headway tomorrow.
The stealth McMoonterisation of Scotland creeps forward a step.
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2 poles in 1 day? This isn't the new Rate My Brickie thread is it??
Is that your place behind the Landy McMoo? 🙂
That's the servants wing I think.
Is that your place behind the Landy McMoo?
No, sadly, its Falkland Palace. My brother lives next door.
2 poles in 1 day? This isn't the new Rate My Brickie thread is it??
Not quite, we had a lot of faffing cutting down trees to clear the site, and sorting out glass. Once we get going progress should be swift.
😉No, sadly, its Falkland Palace. [b]I own that;[/b] My brother lives next door.
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No, sadly, its Falkland Palace. I own that; My brother lives next door.
He's the successful one in the family 🙁
That is some Palace, what does your brother do?
He's the successful one in the family
Depends how you measure it. Does he have a wood burner as nice as yours?
Depends how you measure it. Does he have a wood burner as nice as yours?
He has no woodburner nor woodpile. They could do with both as their house is chilly. That warms my soul.
concreting posts into the ground looks permanent to me, you sure its a "temporary building"? thinking of doing similar, no planning permission needed?
Not quite, we had a lot of faffing cutting down trees to clear the site, and sorting out glass. Once we get going progress should be swift.
We've all heard that one before... Seriously, you should fire your pole planter and hire a professional. The way he has laid out all the other poles clearly shows he's not a pro!
concreting posts into the ground looks permanent to me, you sure its a "temporary building"? thinking of doing similar, no planning permission needed?
The posts aren't concreted in, apparently it attacks the tannin in the wood and promotes rot.
My brother checked with the planning department as it is a conservation area. They view the proposal as a temporary building and the stipulations weren't too severe. It had to be 1m from a boundary wall and there was a height restriction, which we wont come close to exceeding.
Building off the posts is a quick easy building solution for a temporary shed. It should last well as there is always air circulating around the base.
Will watch with interest, as looking to build my own shed (man cave) rather than buy one off the shelf, plus I work for a timber merchant. I will probably overbuild it as I am very security conscious (even that's probably an understatement). Need somewhere to train on turbo as current shed has too much junk in it now, even though it has heating and lighting and can still get the wifi.
Lovely turrets.
Last weekend mr bh. went out to do manly things. One being to finally get one of the wood stores built. Snow started to come in and it was quite chilly. This weekend it's going to be put on hold again.
Oh well.
Cheers for the info McMoonter
Challenging conditions today but we made some progress. We have the outside ring of posts in place. Its going to have a wee covered verandah at the front, the entrance wall will have windows. So we need to put in the six central posts which will support the glass.
The green house will be relocated.
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We only had an afternoon to work with yesterday, Hamish wanted to help, he's four.
We got the middle row of posts in that will support the glass and just got the last floor joist in when it was so dark we could barely see the tape.
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WOW that is a lovely area. Jealous 🙂
Nice work (not I'd expect anything less). Hamish - what a brilliant name, one of my favs.
Its going to have a wee covered verandah at the front
Why not install a unrinal and plumb it into a soakaway?
WOW that is a lovely area. Jealous
In the summer, yes, I would love to live there.
In the winter it gets no direct sunliht for about 3 months as it's in the shadow of the hills. Small price to pay though.
They are not straight, the Poles that is.
The Poles aren't straight. Is this something to do with crooked European plumbers fixing the wee verandah?
My brothers house just catches the winter sun, it reaches halfway across the pavement. It was something they checked on before buying. Houses on the other side of the street get none for the winter. Bleaker than a bleak thing.
The posts are pretty near plumb, we will cut the excess off the lengths when the roof goes on.
Some are near the plum, others are much nearer the wall 😀
cool! how long is it going to take?
can I ask you.. you inherited this right? not funded by paintings?! and if so, how much do you get after tax for yer paintings? I'm very curious as thinking a bout going into the painting business
How long is it going to take?
It should take us a day to make and clad the roof, maybe another to lay the floor and clad the walls. Maybe three days more if all goes well. You have to factor in tea drinking and head scratching.
This is my brothers place.
Open a gallery f you want to get rich through art. Don't be an artist unless you start out very very rich.
Poor weather has delayed progress but we got back to the job today. One side clad using material salvaged from the house refurb so far. Daylight has beaten us again, should get back to it tomorrow and hopefully have the roof on for the weekend.
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Yay, we picked up the roofing sheets, at lunch time and had the rood on before darkness fell. Now we can work away under cover which will make life a lot easier.
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Pete, wee mention for Falkland palace in here-
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/feb/07/johnny-cash-scottish-roots ]Jonny Cash[/url]
In the present of greatness.
Mcmoonter thats lookin sweet mate!
Looking very nice!
I'm impressed. I need to learn a bit about shed construction: why posts into the ground? My shed just has joists which lay on the damp proof sheet, on top of the breeze blocks. I'm not sure why either is chosen and would appreciate enlightenment..
I need to learn a bit about shed construction: why posts into the ground? My shed just has joists which lay on the damp proof sheet, on top of the breeze blocks
The are a couple of reasons for using the posts. The first is that they will form the frames around which glass will be inserted. Secondly, I think it is easier to build off the posts than having to make a block built foundation. The posts are pressure treated and any rainwater will be guttered off the roof into water butts, so theoretically they should last fairly long in their dry holes. Air will be able to circulate more freely under the building, and I like the aesthetic of the building floating above it's foundation.
We framed and clad the back of the building with more of the salvaged timber from the house today. On Monday afternoon we should be able to make a start on the floor. then we just have to windows to insert, a door to make, gutters to fit and a coat of paint and we're done.
Ah ha, so that's how you upload images from an iPad. 🙂
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The posts are pressure treated and any rainwater will be guttered off the roof into water butts, so theoretically they should last fairly long in their dry holes.
Even longer of you make sure water can't settle around the top of the concrete, otherwise they can rot through in about 10-15 years. I put in 100m of fencing in 2001 and a few of the pressure treated 4" posts have almost rotted completely through at the top, but the majority are in pretty good nick. All to do with how well the water drains from the base of the post.
Foot flaps, I didn't bed the posts in concrete for that reason and that concrete attacks the tannin in the wood and promotes rot. The ground is free draining too.
My brother had man flu today and I was recovering after the dentists's drill, but in a couple of hours I managed to lay about a 1/3 of the floor before it got dark. All being well, we should get it all laid tomorrow.
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Not the best pictures in fading light with a phone.
We got the floor laid out to the verandah, and built the skeleton for the bench nailing the uprights to the floor joists and supporting their bottoms on flagstones. As a bench it could support a tank. Hopefully tomorrow we will get the windows fitted and have a bash at making a door.
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mcmoonter, this gets more and more awesome. How did you bed the posts in then?
Toys, the posts are simply buried 18 inches into the ground. The ground though hard packed is free draining, we refilled the around the posts with the spoil we dug out. We didn't use postcrete.
Snow hampered play a bit today. Undeterred we put in the side window and made the window framing for the front elevation and clad the left hand side. It looks a bit like a hot dog stand at the moment, but it will be unified with a smokey French blue, the interior will be white.
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smokey French blue
Is your brother...
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Not quite, though he is a creative type, he worked in advertising.
Amused to hear the perpetual winter gloom of Falkland get a mention.
Has the lomond tavern changed hands yet?
Nice shed btw
This little shed is going on forever!
The end is in sight Spongebob.
We got the rest of the cladding on and fitted the glass. The bench is almost an infinity bench, much more useful than an infinity pool. A door and the gutters will see me through. We'll remove the green house where we had been string our tools and get the building painted. The interior and exterior spaces will be more clearly defined then.
It's been a fun wee project, by the time the summer comes it will have mellowed into it's surroundings.
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So we would up the last couple of things today.
We made a door from the remainder of the flooring and hung the gutters.
It was fun to be making the last part of the shed in it. We used up all the salvaged glass and had the building been an inch longer we'd have run out of cladding. A serendipitous shed.
We need to relocate the green house where we had been storing our tools. Once it is all painted I'll post up a completed pic.
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Lovely job, I know you used a lot of reclaimed stuff but any idea of material costs for that?
Have a plain boring shed that would have a great view if it could be replaced with something like that!
Bravo!
The total cost for materials was £1200. That included everything except the side cladding, which may have added another £300 - £400.
If you have a view and security isn't an issue the windows are a great addition. Who said a shed had to be dark?
Give it a go, you can custom build it to your needs and location.
Can you provide info/link on the roofing material please.
I really can't stand the thought of using felt on mine, but pretty much all roofing solutions seem either extortionate or crap.
Thanks Mcmoonter. Think it will have to wait till next year with new sprog due in May but that is a very nice shed for that price.
Looking forward to seeing it painted and you sat having a cold beer on the verandah. Good job
mcm - top looking shed. love the braced door.
BTW, saw this and thought of you:
I don't even have a garden let alone a shed.
That is incredible. Top work.
Can you provide info/link on the roofing material please.
I really can't stand the thought of using felt on mine, but pretty much all roofing solutions seem either extortionate or crap.
It's a square section steel sheet painted on both sides. I believe you can get it with insulation stuck to the underside, but we just went for the plain stuff. The shed is nineteen feet long and twelve feet wide. The roof has a shallow pitch to keep the overall height within building regs. The total cost for the roof, ridge and self tapping bolts was £285. We got the material from a small steel building manufacturer in Auchtertool if you are local. He had different profiles in different colours, some insulated some not. He even had some good recycled roofing.
What is the red stuff on the walls?
What is the red stuff on the walls?
It's a bit random. The basement of my brother's house had be remodeled into a gift shop. They had lined the walls with boarding, with 3x1s to cover each seam then painted it red. We were unsure what paint they used so we turned the boards around and reused the cover pieces on the exterior in case there were any paint reactions. The thinking being it would be better to apply fresh paint to the unpainted exterior boards.
Thanks re: roofing. I'll look for a similar local supplier (peak district)
Edit: found somewhere local - plastic coated steel - £240 for 3.7x5m.
They also do a matching fibreglass rooflight profile.
Cheers for the pointer!
With crowd funding do you reckon we could gather together a collection big enough to fund a mcmoonter grand designs wooden house project which has to incorporate the mother of all bike maintenance area? Would make a cracking thread if nothing else.
Gotama,
I started this project because my brother had shed envy. Damn it all, his is better than any of mine. That wasn't in the script.
On the plus side it's now a proven design template for a studio / woodworking / fettling place that I've long needed. I had thought of building something high on posts, eight feet up to the floor. But I think that's a bit sketchy now. I've got sixteen huge panes of laminated bus shelter glass and a south facing space near my big woodshed. It's a bit more exposed than my brother's garden so I think I could build something with a verandah between two glazed bays.
Once the spring comes and the snowdrops and daffodils have flowered I'll draw out a sketch and see what's possible....
Quick question.
Metal roof - how noisy in rain?
Would my neighbours (1m away from shed) be annoyed by the noise in the rain?
Noise? I wouldn't worry about it. In fact I love the sound of rain on a tin roof. My croft in Orkney before I resulted it had a corrugated asbestos roof, I missed the sound of rain on it when it was slated.
Ta!
I reckon you should post some plans for us mere mortals who are planning to build a shed very soon, maybe not the same size, but the design looks great! 8)
and more pics? its like watching grand designs this (though without the pompous flounce-abouts you often get of course!)
I never ever really have drawn plans, just notions as to what I'd like. I found this shed today with the stoop filled with logs either side of the door way. I think that would make for a lovely entrance into a studio space, from the dark north side. The new shed spot is exposed to wind and I'm questioning the worth in building even a small stoop at the south facing side. Interior space is more important as it will be a studio workshop. It will have a view to the south so that side will be glazed, and in autumn and spring the sun sets in the west and the sunsets are spectacular so it would be worth having a window or two on that elevation.
Im keen to have a stove in it but worry about condensation forming under the tin in winter. How efficient are insulated sheets at preventing this? I'd probably insulate the walls and the voids under the floor boards too.
Meantime, my brother has sanded and varnished his shed floor and is busy painting the inside and outside. It looks much better with a unifying colour. When it's done and we've moved the greenhouse I'll post up a picture.
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I can see the Sheds of STW being the Business Cards of American Psycho. "damn mcmoonter with his eggshell coloured interior and joinery grade joints".
Great stuff mcm.
Is that £1200 trade costs or retail and is the height 2.5m?
Is that £1200 trade costs or retail and is the height 2.5m?
I got a bit of discount from the timber merchant but I don't buy nearly enough to qualify for the full trade discount.
I think the maximum allowable height was 2.8m. We were pretty close to it. You can barely see the roofline past the boundary wall and Beech hedge, the neighbours garden has a high hedge too.
In other news, my brother got the interior of his shed painted and the floor varnished. He's almost finished painting the outside too. The greenhouse has to go.
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That is great looking. Needs a big comfy papasan chair and a wee table for a tipple.
Greenhouse removal day. It fitted perfectly in the trailer to be relocated at Moonter Towers.
The shed is fullfilling its brief as a steath garden tool store.
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This is the anti-McMoonter: http://imgur.com/a/8w1xW
Haha, I was just about to ask what happened to this thread!
Four months later and it's looking as if it's been there for years.
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very nice!
4 months later and mine still hasn't got a roof 🙂
4 months later and mine still hasn't got a roof
Still searching for a suitable roofing material? How is the floor standing up to the weather?