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As above
Not a big surprise really - however anyone who thinks this will solve the problems of English rugby is whistling in the dark.
Just after y Sean signed a new deal for Wales too....!
RFU dropped a massive testicle there in not snapping him up.
When, oh when will someone sack Rob Andrew, FFS!
Goodbye then.
"Quits" eh?
Press conference at 4pm
Thomas gone, Johnson gone. Only Andrew to go (and the coaching staff).
All change please.
Great career, ended reasonably well, actually very well IMHO.
Great career [b]as a player[/b], ended reasonably well, actually very well IMHO. However good a player, though, he should never have been given the job heading up a national team with little or no experience of doing so.
FTFY.
Yes, bikebouy - how Johnson should be remembered:
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Shame. I've rather been enjoying the p*ss-poorness of English rugby of late....
...rugby for management consultants, by management consultants.
Who's next? I bet the RFU haven't got a scooby.
Mr Henry perhaps?
He's made noises of wanting to work with the RFU (can't see it happening)
Mallinder?
Mallet?
Who's next? Mallet?
Which one though? Nick or Timmy? The latter would seem more appropriate at the moment....! 🙂
Flashy +1
Rob Andrew & the mandarins at the RFU
Mark Livremont for sure
Which one though? Nick or Timmy? The latter would seem more appropriate at the moment....!
Don't get that one. Explain please?
I feel a bit sorry for Johnson really.
He was persuaded to take on the job for which he clearly did not have the experience or skills and he has tried hard.
however he has made serious mistakes such as not imposing decent discipline on the team in NZ and some of his selection has been rather conservative.
however he is a fundamentally decent chap and i wish him well.
I think the RFU will find it very a hard to recruit a good coach right now
TJ, I agree. (Please note the rarity of this event!)
Wrecker, look at the way the RFU is run. Timmy Mallet seems to fit the bill perfectly, as he'd blend right in with the other idiots. Notably Andrew. Who is a prime idiot.
Oh, I was thinking that he should hit them all (players included) with his hammermallet.
Woohoo, a red letter day in Gee-Jay towers
Flashy & TJ +1
Never thought I would get to say that 🙂
Blimey I agree too
*goes to scrub self with bleach in the shower*
TJ - spot on. (I've agreed with him before, for the record)(but probably kept it to myself) 😉
I've heard Tindall is replacing him 😀
Pointless. Both Woodward and Henry took one world cup to understand how to win it. The best decision that the RFU ever took was not to fire Woodward after the 1999 RWC.
Andrew has to go - he is the only common thread left and as such must be forced out. The trouble is that at the RFU all that could axe him have gone.
Perhaps in the long term this is the start of the implosion that is needed for the RFU to finally get its act together and to become a professional organisation. The 'old farts' need to be put out to pasture and proper management needs to be installed.
Until that happens it does not matter who is appointed England Manager/Coach. And any reasonable person who just walk away.
(Edwards would have been great as a coach - but I don't think he is an international head coach/manager. I also think that having started with this current Welsh team he wouldn't walk away and join England)
edwards is too smart - he knows he is not ready for the head coach of england yet
Find it amazing that Andrew is under taking yet another report into the world cup mess, yet him and no-one else within the RFU seems to be taking any responsibility after the latest cock-up. He will no doubt conclude a new position is required, which he of course will fill.
Ha, I can see it now;
Rob Andrew, job title; Elite of the elite bestest cleverest national rugby executive
Rumour on the rugby boards is that Woodward will get Andrew's role if Francis Baron becomes head of the RFU, they can then select a decent coach. Sadly not enough time I fear for a magnificent home victory in 2015.
maybe The Chuckle Brothers should get should, at least they may be able to learn how to pass!!
Why do people think woodward is any good? his record is poor bar 2003. He was just lucky with the players adn captain he had.
What else has he done of any note?
A Dave Brailsford approach is needed in the rugby world, a headline figure who shields the players from the powers that be & provides the best they can, then stand back and let the experts do their work
PS Rob Andrew is not the person for the job
I think Woodward would want greater and wider ranging resonsibility than Andrew has at the moment ie only reporting to the top man and no one else. Having said that, Andrew was effectively demoted, but still holds sway.
Woodward's team played great rugby from 2000 onwards, 2002- early 2003 was a joy to watch. He also had the balls to take the team down under prior to the world cup and beat Australia and NZ in their own backyard. If it was exclusively down to the team then why has Johnson been such a poor coach? Plenty of the 2003 players continued afterwards but the results tailed off when Woodward left, he was as important as any of the guys playing at the time.
Sir Clive put in place the environment and systems to allow the players to do what they did. This is his strength - running elite sport - rather than being the perfect tracksuit man. Having great players playing for him is something you could level at every coach of great teams down the years, regardless of the sport.
Says he won't do the job nles Michaela helps out "allegedly"
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As a Welshman i could just luaugh and poke fun, but i actually feel sorry for him, yes he made a few mistakes but he was sort of shoehorned into the role.
as above he may very well be remembered for all the wrong reasons
I feel a bit sorry for Johnson really.He was persuaded to take on the job for which he clearly did not have the experience or skills and he has tried hard.
however he has made serious mistakes such as not imposing decent discipline on the team in NZ and some of his selection has been rather conservative.however he is a fundamentally decent chap and i wish him well.
I think the RFU will find it very a hard to recruit a good coach right now
Scarily enough I agree with all of the above. Certainly it was the discipline for me that was a major problem. I mean, FFS, out on the lash after the first win of the group stages. Although after the revelations yesterday it would seem that the piss up was sanctioned by the RFU!!!
Johnson was a fine player and an inspirational captain. He will probably make a good coach. He is not a manager.
Full story up now
[url> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/15756480.stm
"I think it is in the best interests of both the England team and myself not to carry on," said the 41-year-old.
"I have a choice at the moment. If I hadn't made that decision someone may have made it for me."[/url]
He should never have taken the job, just tarnished his reputation as one of the best players of all time.
Rob Andrew is a prize c&%t
What TeeJ said (rather than O'Flashearty's glee at anything that goes wrong in his home RFU).
I wish him well. A fundamentally decent guy that captained many a hammering of the rest of our sides. I think everyone feared it was too soon. It was.
Edwards in todays guardian says he was never asked.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2011/nov/15/why-not-england-shaun-edwards
Rob Andrew is a prize c&%t
This is indeed true. And he should be resigning with him.
Darcy, IIRC, England is your home RFU as well. 😉
Why they never even asked Edwards is beyond belief, if you ask me! Even as an assistant, with an eye to the big job later on. Madness.
I'd sooner Mallinder than Edwards.
In the interview with Rob "teflon" Andrew he said he would not be resigning, basically very little to do with him how the England Team play, he has responsibilities to the whole English Rugby setup.
My Plastic Taff side is very pleased with Edwards at Wales my English side wonders why the RFU didn't snap him up... can't decide if emotionally I win or lose with the outcome
Rob andrew should be dragged through a field of shite. Problem is the weaselly Teflon shite would come out clean
am i alone in thinking that, if Dallaglio had not tried to show off to that reporter, then Mr Johnson would never have been the england captain, or coach?
and i am glad he is going, he is not a coach.
Quite possibly, Ton, but I don't think Woodward would have lasted as long and having captained the Lions, it would have been difficult for a new coach to ignore Johnson's claims on the captaincy. In my view one of the main reasons England were successful under Woodward/Johnson was there was a tension between Woodward's wacky ideas and Johnson's pragmatism, which allowed the team to progress. Dallagio was a big Woodward fan and wouldn't have stopped his more stupid ideas whihc Johnson did.
I feel sorry for him, he was put in the position with hardly any experience then gets flamed when things go wrong.
As for Andrews, should have been kicked out ages ago.
Well that's Mallet out. I understand that he won't work for Andrew, and I don't blame him at all.
My Plastic Taff side is very pleased with Edwards at Wales my English side wonders why the RFU didn't snap him up... can't decide if emotionally I win or lose with the outcome
Edwards has always been quite vocal about the RFU, with his league background he has said that he always felt more affinity to the game in Wales and its working class roots.
I have already written to the RFU to express my disgust that they have accepted Martin Johnsons’ resignation and said in my opinion he should have the position for life.
If they feel they can’t go back on their decision then HRH MT should be strongly considered as a replacement; I accept the rugby might be poor but the parties will be fantastic.
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'Next, little Megan Lewis-Jones will recite her little poem about where she thinks the RFU are going wrong."
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'It's all part of the joys of being one of the STW massive. We all think we can sing and coach.'