Is he being an arse?
No of course not imho.
It’s not often a topic gets into my bones but this one has, I came from a very poor background to be honest so it resonates with me like the bells of Big Ben.
Anyone know of a kitty that’s running or anything ?
Edit found the charity I’ll be bunging in what I can afford.
He’s a legend! I love the way he’s stayed true to his roots and speaking out with real honesty and conviction
And what a finish against PSG last night!
Nice to see normal service has been resumed in the Tory party. Voting for the most underprivileged kids to go hungry
I absolutely ****ing despise them. How do you sleep at night having just done that?
He's a legend. The only person ever to play for Man U who isn't a massive **** 🙂
How do you sleep at night having just done that?
The trouble is binners when you feed poor children they develop a dependency on food you see, very unfortunate. We mustn't encourage them.
Very humble guy, aware of how fortunate he is in terms of his wealth and fame at such a young age. Is obviously extremely hard working and dedicated to have capitalised on his natural talent and has a social conscience. Pity about his club!
grum - funnily enough I think my local mp (Mark Jenkinson) believes exactly that!!!
However he does seem to getting upset at his little friend being picked on on by a mean lady and being called scum so perhaps he has a heart after all... 🤣
@grum Yeah, especially when you can't put them in workhouses no more.
It's totally galling, but utterly unsurprising. In the same way that they've justified nearly $200 billion for HS2. So saving a few minutes on the journey time to London is worth so much more than helping vulnerable families.
Marcus seems like a totally determined person though, so I can imagine the campaign will go on for some time.
I can't see Marcus letting this drop.
Will check to see how my tory MP, caroline johnson, voted; actually, don't need to bother with that - she has never voted against her party.
Time for another email to her.
For those interested on how their MP voted.
Im just waiting for the Tory lapdogs in the RW press to start attacking him in earnest
My Tory MP appears to have abstained. She has gone against the party whip on a few occasions in the last year.
I hope Rashford contiues to push the case to these self-serving and mendacious Tories. As someone pointed out on TV today, on the one hand we have families who can't afford to provide decent, nutritious meals for their kids (a situation that is likely to get worse as the large areas of the country suffer from various levels of lockdown and the consequent loss of income and jobs), and on the other one Boris Johnson MP who complained he couldn't cope on his £150k salary, not forgetting all the free accomodation etc. that come with the role, and also I assume he is still writing columns and raking in funds from the Daily Telegraph. We really are living in some abnormal, dystopian times.
I absolutely ****ing despise them. How do you sleep at night having just done that?
You can't despise them that much since you spent maybe 75% of your posting time on here in the run up to the last election berating the only party able to beat them in a general election, and anyone that supported Labour. To spend all that time saying that Labour were a disgrace to anyone that would listen, then being appalled that the worst Tory party in thirty years got in when middle aged white men up and down the country were screaming their heads off about Corbyn being dangerous instead of focusing on the real threat to the nation is hypocrisy.
I don't know who Rashford is other than for his campaign, but good on him for at least making people think about the injustices this government are committing to the poor of this country.
Dom and Dommer, after giving him an MBE to burnish their ‘men of the people’ credentials, have now started a campaign against him.
Classy
Some Tory bell end stood up in parliament today and accused a lad who is passionately determined to try and end child hunger of ‘celebrity virtue signalling’
There really are no depths to which this lot won’t descend too. I think Angela Rayner’s description of them today is about as accurate as you’ll get
https://twitter.com/aameranwar/status/1318988846818885632?s=21
And let’s not get into a ‘everybody who doesn’t love Jeremy Corbyn is Tory scum’ nonsense, eh? It’s been done to death on a multitude of other threads
Brendan Clarke-Smith, what a lovely chap he is!
I wonder if he'll work in cyber after the next election?
I wonder if he’ll work in cyber after the next election?
Should he lose his 14,000 majority, I imagine he will go back to teaching.
And let’s not get into a ‘everybody who doesn’t love Jeremy Corbyn is Tory scum’ nonsense, eh? It’s been done to death on a multitude of other threads
Narrator: After banging on about how shit Corbyn is for years, Binners suddenly doesn't want to talk about why the Tory scum are in power.
I dont think i have ever witnessed a vote that has been so heartless and callous, i dont know how these c* sleep at night. Grown educated adults just positively voted to allow children to go hungry. To persecute a child for its parents shortcomings or circumstances is frankly appaling.
Angela Rayner should have resorted further back and used "the only good Tory is a......" quote
I seriously hope all those who voted Tory in the Red Walls take a long hard look at this and wake the * up. You weren't forgotten and left behind Red Wall folks - they didnt know you existed until Cummins turned you into an opportunity.
I dont think i have ever been this angry.
Narrator: After banging on about how shit Corbyn is for years, Binners suddenly doesn’t want to talk about why the Tory scum are in power
We know full well why the ‘Tory scum’ are in power.
Because of the pious, self-righteous, sanctimonious, middle-class sixth-form self-indulgence that enabled the Labour Party to be marched off into the electoral wilderness by Jeremy Corbyn that, as predicted, led to two election defeats, the latter one enabling the thumping great Tory majority that has allowed them to do what they’ve just done today.
The blame for that lies squarely at the door of the people who were responsible for instigating that lunacy. It’s hardly like you weren’t warned.
Anyway... are we really going to do this all over again?
It’s all rather played out, isn’t it? The evidence is now wrecking lives on a daily basis as Keir Starmer, Andy Burnham and the grown ups try to repair the damage. In the meantime we’re stuck with this lot for the next 4 years. And they’re only just getting started
Cheers Jezza!
And where is he? Hosting dinner parties in contravention of lockdown down rules
Solidarity comrades
Ah Binners, always looking back on the glorious days when he was promoted to useful idiot.
Has anyone seen Corbyn's brother on tv.he is a nutter.
Has anyone seen Corbyn’s brother on tv.he is a nutter.
Yep - remember him from the Big Breakfast days when he was talking about his weather-prediction stuff. I'll admit, I found it interesting.
But seems to have gone truly bonkers since. Although, in-between the complete gobbledygook there are some interesting points - just lost in the noise.
I think the only reason he was allowed on telly recently was to discredit his brother.
Piers Corbyn's weather prediction method uses solar activity to predict the weather for the next month. It's actually interesting and often quite good.
I'm not sure if he still does it as he's gone "full retard"* nowadays
* Tropic Thunder reference
Should he lose his 14,000 majority, I imagine he will go back to teaching.
Mefty has summed it up, Tory voters simply not bothered about taking meals away from 1.4m children, they're actually pleased, because it's sticking out to the lefties
The issue is that, to admit that many children don't have food all year round means admitting that the benefits system doesn't give people enough money to live on.
Some tories in the debate voted against as they said it was fixing symptoms instead of causes, however I didn't see them talking about how to fix the causes. And the symptoms are now not being treated either.
It's heartbreaking, immoral and unjust.
And I've just discovered on that list that an ex-lodger and tenant of ours is a Conservative MP (Miriam Cates). She voted against, yet at the time she and (now) husband stayed with us, she worked on a homeless and vulnerable families project in Sheffield. Of all the people who should understand the impact of poverty.
We know full well why the ‘Tory scum’ are in power.
Because of the pious, self-righteous, sanctimonious, middle-class sixth-form self-indulgence blah blah blah....
Blah blah blah ....And where is he? Hosting dinner parties in contravention of lockdown down rules
Solidarity comrades
Yes, of course - because a worryingly hysterical hatred/fear of Corbyn played no part in enabling the right-wing press to ease the ever-competent sockpuppet Johnson into power.
I wouldn't go anywhere near as far as to call you Tory scum, but you certainly sing their favourite hit of 2019, with gusto.
Oh good. Another thread diverted onto me being told the error of my ways by our resident Corbynites
*yawns*
Why not start another thread about me, when you can all chunter away to yourselves about how everything is my fault and I'l pop in every few days to post a picture of the PFJ?
Flattered though I am with the attention, can we get back on topic please?
My own Tory MP, one of the new 'Red Wall' Brexiteer, Boris-fanboy nodding dogs has voted for this, as we all knew he would. His social media feeds are presently overflowing with his constituents expressing their disgust at the cruelty involved in depriving the most disadvantaged kids in society. Even by their usual standards of casual inhumanity, this is not playing well.
His majority is 100
Good to see that Marcus is keeping the pressure on and hasn't been bought off with baubles and gongs. He obviously wasn't told that thats the way things work in this country
Oh, please, let's not redo the Corbyn thing yet again.
A mate shared a post about this last night, berating his Red Wall Tory MP for voting against it. Attracted quite a few "if the parents spent their benefits more wisely, they could afford to eat" and "people on benefits are better off then working families" type responses.
Disappointing how the media focusing on the minority who take advantage of the system has caused people to lose sight of the cast majority who genuinely struggle. People need reminding that most of us are only 2 paychecks away from living that life.
I wouldn’t go anywhere near as far as to call you Tory scum, but you certainly sing their favourite hit of 2019, with gusto.
Not just me that noticed the irony of this then..
Disappointing how the media focusing on the minority who take advantage of the system has caused people to lose sight of the cast majority who genuinely struggle. People need reminding that most of us are only 2 paychecks away from living that life.
Indeed. With a huge recession looming, a lot of people are unfortunately about to find out the yawning chasm between the miserable, foodbank-based reality of life on benefits and the ****less world of big telly's, takeaways and endless days in the pub portrayed by the Daily Heil, et al.
I suspect that, cynically, this might have influenced the governments decision. They know that with unemployment about to hit record highs, largely due to their incompetence (and Brexit, obviously), there's going to be an awful lot more kids will be in need of free school meals
however I didn’t see them talking about how to fix the causes
This is the thing, it's true that free school meals are a sticking plaster to an extent, but what they consider tackling the true causes of poverty is telling poor people to stop being so dreadful while stripping away any hope of them being able to support themselves.
I have zero sympathy for anyone who voted Tory and is now surprised that they turn out to be the same old nasty party, but this time even worse. A moment's thought before voting would have made it quite obvious.
And don't get me started on people like binners...
not much has changed in 70 years
"So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin," he went on. "They condemned millions of people to semi-starvation. I warn you young men and women, do not listen to what they are saying, do not listen to the seductions of Lord Woolton. They have not changed, or if they have they are slightly worse."
The Government decided the issues in accordance with the best principles, he said: "The weak first; and the strong next." Mr. Churchill preferred a free-for-all, but what was Toryism except organised Spivvery?
But I thought as soon as 'magic grandad' (hilarious 😐) went away everyone was going to start voting labour again?
Bevan merely retorted that men of Celtic fire were needed to bring about great reforms like the new NHS. That was why, he explained, Welshmen were put in charge instead of "the bovine and phlegmatic Anglo-Saxons
Ha! Bovine and phlegmatic sums up England pretty well.
But I thought as soon as ‘magic grandad’ (hilarious 😐) went away everyone was going to start voting labour again?
Indeed
However on those numbers Tories would have a slim majority
just enough that last nights school meal vote would have passed with tory abstainers
I came to join in the "how can the Conservatives be so tone deaf as to vote against helping to feed kids living in poverty over Christmas during a pandemic" ranting.... and yet, with such a clear issue that most of the public and all Labour politicians and supporters can get behind being in the headlines... STILL some people want to make Binners (Labour voter) the point of discussion... sort yourselves out or we have more than 4 more years of this... we have it for the rest of our lives.
And yet
Tory's be Toryin'
The present polling I find absolutely inexplicable. Then I remind myself that I don't live in the Britain that hosted the 2012 Olympics opening ceremony, I live in the nasty, petty, intolerant Britain that voted to Leave the EU and doesn't like brown people.
I suspect that the abhorrent views of Brendan Clarke-Smith articulated above, that everyone on benefits is a ****less layabout, are actually quite widespread, given that's been the relentless narrative that's been pushed for decades. And the demonised 'underclass' are largely unseen by the middle classes in our segregated society.
The whole Marcus Rasford thing stands out so much because he's speaking up for a section of society whose voices are never normally heard
Oh good. Another thread diverted onto me being told the error of my ways by our resident Corbynites
My last word on it - if you don't want to talk about Corbyn (and goodness knows this isn't the thread for it), don't bring him up.
But I thought as soon as ‘magic grandad’ (hilarious 😐) went away everyone was going to start voting labour again?
It was widely acknowledged that a change of Labour leadership, policy and direction would not bring about immediate results.
As for electors starting to vote Labour again, they haven't had any opportunities yet - first one is May 2021 in the re-scheduled local elections covering local councils, unitary authorities and PCCs.
After that it will be the GE in 2025 - unless the FTP legislation is amended.
My last word on it – if you don’t want to talk about Corbyn (and goodness knows this isn’t the thread for it), don’t bring him up.
I didn't.
Have a read up there. It was @munrobiker who's turn it was amongst our resident socialist revolutionaries to start the usual predictable 'if only Binners hadn't prevented Jeremy from being elected' drivel
Now, for the love of Jeremy God, can we please just get off the incredibly tedious subject of me, how wrong I am about absolutely everything and how everything is definitely all my fault
For everyones benefit
So... Marcus Rashford...?
It was widely acknowledged that a change of Labour leadership, policy and direction would not bring about immediate results.
Those poll numbers, during a time when the Tories are doing their utmost to come across as a charicature of a Victorian workhouse master with added corruption and ineptitude, are dreadful. Starmer is a wet blanket.
But yeah ok we don't need another thread about him and how awful binners is. Hmm actually maybe we do need a dedicated slagging off binners thread? 🙂
If you haven't read Marcus Rashford's statement in full, it's worth doing so. Its very impressive, His tone is always measured, diplomatic and non-confrontational. He's now subtly extending this so it's also an appeal to stop stigmatising the poor.
"This is not politics, this is humanity"
https://twitter.com/MarcusRashford/status/1318980281999761408?s=20
He does speak very well and he's been very careful not to make it a party political issue, although the Tories have tried to make out that he has. Marcus for PM! He would genuinely do a much better job.
Very brief read of the comments is mega depressing though.
Those poll numbers, during a time when the Tories are doing their utmost to come across as a charicature of a Victorian workhouse master with added corruption and ineptitude, are dreadful
Agreed. We seem to be back to where we were in 2017 - not the bounce many of us were hoping for.
2017 was a high for Labour though. I was one of many voters who switched to Labour that year. It's more recent years where things went South in terms of voting intention (and actual voting). Anyway, there was definitely a 2020 bounce climb with the new leader.
Caroline Ansell on R5live there, resigned after voting against the government on this, my god I've never heard such nonsense from an MP. Resigned 'because it's the rules' after voting against the government (what kind of democracy is that?) but wouldn't disagree with said government! how do these people get into these positions? She made Diane Abbot seem like Stephen bloody Hawking.
A few people struggling not to talk about Diane Abbott too. There’s a surprise.
2017 was a high for Labour though.
Err, Labour didn't win the election.
There's no hidden agenda in that post Darcy, DA was the first name that sprung to mind for car crash interviews, if in your eyes that makes me racist, sexist or whatever, batter on.
I have little or no interest in the Labour party either, never mind their internal nonsense, the post was in response to the topic.
Err, Labour didn’t win the election.
Still a high from which Labour had been slipping ever since. This year has seen a return to that previous high (well, nearly).. but yes... if we had an election now, I don't think Labour would win that either. And, as it happens, I still don't think Labour under Starmer can win outright in four years time either. Not sure it could win outright again that soon under any leader, sadly.
Genuine question - Why should schools deliver food outside school hours?
How has it comes to point that an already very overstretched education system is now in charge of feeding children? There are so many systemic failings that has lead to the 7th largest economy in the world letting children go hungry - I wish everyone was taking about these.
Still a high from which Labour had been slipping ever since. This year has seen a return to that previous high (well, nearly).. but yes… if we had an election now, I don’t think Labour would win that either. And, as it happens, I still don’t think Labour under Starmer can win outright in four years time either. Not sure it could win outright again that soon under any leader, sadly.
That's not true: Labour held a polling lead at various points in 2017, 2018 and 2019.
I said "slipping". Both graphs show support for Labour falling almost continually for two solid years.
[ please post sources for graphs ]
Genuine question – Why should schools deliver food outside school hours?
To feed the kids. And it's not the schools... it's us... all of us.
It's a sticking plaster... but one that is needed. I know teachers helping to feed pupils from their own pockets... we should all be helping to feed kids that otherwise would go without, via our government... while also changing things to reduce (ideally to zero) the number of kids in that situation.
It's fair comment that it's not "school meals for children" that are necessarily required, but "meals for children" seem like the kind of basic that a government should be providing where required.
I know what you said. The graph clearly shows Labour with a lead over the tories at various points in 2017, 2018 and 2019. The Tories had a lead over Labour at the 2017 GE, which you described as "a high".
Diane Abbot read history at Cambridge. I've heard her characterised as mentally ill, stupid, and other delights in only the last two days on the supposedly liberal lefty bastion of STW.
At one point she was receiving half of all the abusive tweets directed at MPs. Is she really so terrible that she deserves that?
Genuine question – Why should schools deliver food outside school hours?
Because no one else is doing it well enough and they have the facilities/staff to do it?
The Tories had a lead over Labour at the 2017 GE, which you described as “a high”.
It was a high level in support for Labour. Yes. And their best result in a general election since...
Genuine question – Why should schools deliver food outside school hours?
Because they are best placed to do it. They already have the facilities, the recipes, the staff are trained, they have a database of children and dietary requirements and a position of trust in the community.
Of course, that doesn't mean that a company in charge of pest control wont get a 100million contract to do it in the future though
It was a high level in support for Labour. Yes. And their best result in a general election since…
No it wasn't, as I have clearly demonstrated. And please don't tell me that you're using total vote share as a measure, because you must surely know that it's not an effective measure of electoral success. In 2017, Labour achieved a higher share than Labour (2005) and the Tories (2010, 2015). Perhaps you can spot the problem...
we should all be helping to feed kids that otherwise would go without, via our governmen
Yes of course, this is why we pay taxes. It's a complete failure of government if the solution is for schools to feed children.
Because no one else is doing it well enough and they have the facilities/staff to do it?
But they don't really do it do they? It's a private company.
Diane Abbot read history at Cambridge. I’ve heard her characterised as mentally ill, stupid, and other delights in only the last two days on the supposedly liberal lefty bastion of STW.
Quite. I wonder how many other black, working class women made it to Cambridge in the 1970s?
But they don’t really do it do they? It’s a private company.
Some schools do it in house but lots do use a company. It doesn't really change anything though in terms of them being in a good position to provide the service outside school hours.
In 2017, Labour achieved a higher share than Labour (2005) and the Tories (2010, 2015). Perhaps you can spot the problem…
Still.. when talking about levels of support, I will look at levels of support. I'm fully aware that level of support doesn't map onto number of seats. But the point is... 2017, when Corbyn got me to swap my vote to Labour, was a high point for levels of support for Labour... higher than anyone had managed other than Blair in modern times... but it slowly fell away... never to be achieved again while Corbyn was leader. It was a high point as regards support for Labour in recent years... yet still not good enough to win an election. Support is now nearly back up to those levels... and... yes... that is not enough to win an election. So...
We seem to be back to where we were in 2017 – not the bounce many of us were hoping for.
...getting back to 2017 levels is a weird thing to describe as a negative for the new leader... but, yes... still not nearly good enough if your aim is to get the Tories out.
The absolute ****ing state of the Tories and their leader.
Happy to enoble Marcus Rashford with an MBE for his campaign on school meals and then days later to vote against continuing the scheme he was honoured for.
I mean WTAF
Even Nigel Farage has came out and said it looks mean given the money spent on "Eat out to Help Out"
That's were the Tories are, lower than Nigel Farage
NIGEL
****ING
FARAGE
So yesterday Rayner called a Tory MP scum (apparently) and then they vote against giving kids some food.... On reflection she should have said something worse. If I was Kier my first question next week would be why does the PM hate children so much he thinks they should go without food.
For those that voted for the Tories I would really love to know how you feel about this, are these the policies you believe in, ideals you aspire too and what you want from our country kids going without? And especially those who votes for their Tory MP who voted against feeding kids.
Still.. when talking about levels of support, I will look at levels of support. I’m fully aware that level of support doesn’t map onto number of seats.
So you're defining levels of support by a metric that doesn't equate to electoral success. I'm more interested in winning, but there you go.
…getting back to 2017 levels is a weird thing to describe as a negative for the new leader… but, yes… still not nearly good enough if your aim is to get the Tories out.
Eh? How many pages of comments did we see here, telling us that Corbyn was utterly useless, and Labour would be far better off under new Leadership. Now you're telling us that getting back to a point during his leadership is a sign of success?
Corbyn did well in winning over people in 2017. Starmer is in exactly the same position now. It could go either way in the next few years… steady decline in support, as happened under Corbyn, or perhaps, just perhaps, Labour can build on their current support… it’s a tall order though.
As for measuring support for a party by looking at the proportion of people that say that they’ll vote for that party... well, that’s exactly what I will do when talking about polling data… because that’s what polls do. You’re arguing for the sake of it. I’ve said poll results don’t map onto seats won… but you can’t work out seats likely to be won from polls… a poll of polls is a useful (but flawed) guide for putting the most recent individual poll into context. You were talking about recent poll results, and comparing them to 2017, I’ve just done the same, that is all.
Still banging on about Corbyn on the Marcus Rashford thread. Right.
This graphic is useful in these discussions:
As for measuring support for a party by looking at the proportion of people that say that they’ll vote for that party… well, that’s exactly what I will do when talking about polling data… because that’s what polls do. You’re arguing for the sake of it.
Well no, that's not all polls do. They also tell you how many more people say they'll vote for one party than for another one. Citing a high % share is meaningless without comparing it to what the main opposition is doing, which is how the 2005, 2010 and 2015 elections were all won with a party polling lower than Labour in 2017. It's immensely dispiriting that you seem to be claiming a close second place as an indicator of success. There's only one indicator that really matters.
There’s only one indicator that really matters.
Correct. Children in 21st century UK are going hungry. As a society this is pitiful.
There’s only one indicator that really matters.
You were the one talking about a recent poll of voting intentions, and comparing it to 2017 Ransos. That is the only reason why I talked about comparing recent polls to 2017 polls. I am fully aware that Labour have failed to win a majority of seats, or even the most seats, in a general election since… well, you know, him… but you were talking about a poll. I replied, and I really wish I hadn’t.
Can we get back on Marcus Rashord’s campaign, and all but a handful of Conservative MPs voting against feeding kids over Christmas, in the middle of an pandemic?
There’s only one indicator that really matters.
Have they ever grown a prize-winning marrow?
Quite. I wonder how many other black, working class women made it to Cambridge in the 1970s?
Not many, but I wonder if any of them would make a better job at political interviews.
Doesn't matter what the background, education or race - if somebody is useless at dealing with political questions then maybe don't be in a role when that is an important and VERY visible part of it.
See Marcus Rashford for someone who can handle it more effectively.
More importantly, theres no way Diane Abbott could have finished like that against PSG the other night
You were the one talking about a recent poll of voting intentions, and comparing it to 2017 Ransos. That is the only reason why I talked about comparing recent polls to 2017 polls. I am fully aware that Labour have failed to win a majority of seats, or even the most seats, in a general election since… well, you know, him… but you were talking about a poll. I replied, and I really wish I hadn’t.
Look, it's fine: you want to take being a closer second as evidence of success. We can agree to disagree.
Can we get back on Marcus Rashord’s campaign, and all but a handful of Conservative MPs voting against feeding kids over Christmas, in the middle of an pandemic?
By all means. What would you like to discuss?
Doesn’t matter what the background, education or race – if somebody is useless at dealing with political questions then maybe don’t be in a role when that is an important and VERY visible part of it
It wouldn't appear to be a barrier to being prime minister.
By all means. What would you like to discuss?
Do you think he's best played in the role of a central striker, or as a more traditional number 10 playmaker, with Tony Marshall as a target men? Or do you think it works when they switch roles with Tony out on the left with a license to cut inside or Marcus as a sort of false 9?
Do you think he’s best played in the role of a central striker, or on the wing, as a more traditional number 10 playmaker, with Tony Marshall as a target men?
Unfortunately, Starmer appears to be injured so Rashford will need to lead the line on his own.
