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I get that he didn't want his dinner disrupted, but grabbing her by the throat ?
Luck it wasn't Mark Francois or she'd have been decapitated with bare hands
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1141822257007910912?s=19
She forcefully put herself into a private event in a private area so she was forcefully removed.
Tough shit.
Greenpeace are not the fluffy bunnies people think they are.
Sack him and prosecute for assualt
Sack him and prosecute for assualt
Yep, this one is easy.
I'm a massive lefty hand wringer.
But i'm struggling to see the story there she got turfed out but it doesn't look particularly violent just matter of fact.
And she gets her publicity.
Longer video where you can see she used no force.
I’m a massive lefty hand wringer.
But i’m struggling to see the story there she got turfed out but it doesn’t look particularly violent just matter of fact.
And she gets her publicity.
This.
I wouldn't have any sympathy for him if he did get prosecuted (especially for the initial grab/shove) but I can't say I have much sympathy for her either. I'm also not sure the back of the neck = throat...
Usual storm in a teacup, held around the back of the neck rather than throat.
I’m also not sure the back of the neck = throat…
Correct but it refers to the bit where he grabs her near the start.
Another lefty hand wringer here. failing to see any excessive force being used.
but grabbing her by the throat ?
That's not the throat.
One can only imagine the uproar if he had bear hugged her from behind.
Given there would have been a number of people there with Close Protections Officers she was lucky that she wasn’t looking down the barrel of a gun.
Protesting in public space is fine but doing it en masse at a private event is different.
I'd have given her a kick up the arse to finish off as she went out the door.
Where's a cup of milkshake when you need one?
Given there would have been a number of people there with Close Protections Officers she was lucky that she wasn’t looking down the barrel of a gun.
Strange then how Field, in his own words,was worried she was armed and he was closing down the threat but all the armed officers didn't. Maybe it's just the nasty party being nasty again.
Given there would have been a number of people there with Close Protections Officers she was lucky that she wasn’t looking down the barrel of a gun.
Do close protection attend a lot of bankers meals?
I’d have given her a kick up the arse to finish off as she went out the door.
Bully for you. Did you serve with Mark Francois in the trenches by any chance?
That room seems to be full of absolute ****ers!
I hope they do prosecute him. Self entitled twunt.
And the only ones who should be sacked are Max and Paddy who must have been on the front door...
I think he was quite restrained and totally justified. Who was to know what her intentions were? I know it seems like a stretch in hindsight, but at the time, she could have easily been on her way to put a bullet in the speaker’s head.
It doesn’t look great for him, especially the initial bit where he knocks her about.
What I would like to know is
1) Who was filming it? Was it a protestor? Why weren’t they noticed?
2) How did she get so close to a very senior cabinet minister?
Whoever was looking after security has a lot of questions to answer today, or do they only screen for women dressed as “letter boxes”?
After seeing that I should imagine that some people with real dangerous intent are contemplating hiring some fancy formal wear.
Thats interesting, the radio clips of this make it sound very different.
How did she get in there?
Personally if she wants to make her point good luck to her but on that basis she assumes the risk she will be removed one way or another. Shame it will maybe distract from the actual point she was trying achieve.
Hey ho I'm off for a bike ride 🙂
over use of force. He wouldn't have done that to a bloke.
He claims he acted on 'his instincts'. Speaks volumes.
The protesters were in there a while. It wasn't like she materialised from nowhere.
https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/1141957535018246145
That room seems to be full of absolute ****!
I hope they do prosecute him. Self entitled twunt.
This. The first two times I watched it I was pretty ambivalent, then when I saw the last bit with seried rows of toffs doing their establishment slow hand clap thing led by the guy at the head of the table.....
My sympathies went totally across the the protestor.
Another sandal wearing lefty here, that was nothing. I hope it's not milked by the 'left' ( for want of a better term) as it just allows for Tory righteous anger. Keep your mouth shut Owen Jones!
Greenpeace are not the fluffy bunnies people think they are.
They are.
Ever had any dealings with them?
A few years ago I had to cut an anchor cable on one of their ships, as soon as the Authorities get onboard they are completely compliant and don't offer any resistance.
It's his facial expression and that ****ing slow hand clap that boils my pee.
she got turfed out but it doesn’t look particularly violent just matter of fact.
And she gets her publicity
This.
She needed to be turfed out and she was. She wasn't hurt, and she got way more publicity than if a rozzer had manhandled out out the door.
over use of force. He wouldn’t have done that to a bloke.
This was my thoughts. He'd have been cowering under the table if it had been anyone who looked remotely like a threat.
Thing is, it's not 'nothing' is it? I'm broadly in agreement that if you are agitating at an event, don't be too surprised when someone hauls you out the room.
However, that someone is an MP. And the person being hauled is a woman in an evening dress.
It's never going to be 'nothing'.
Considering the footage, GBH charges could be brought against him.
Right wing heroes Tommy Ten names and Farage have milkshake thrown on them, the right declare it an outrage to freedom of speech.
A left wing protestor is pinned against a pillar for walking past then forced out the room, the right say she's deserved it.
🤷🏻♂️
Its not reasonable use of force. Thus it's assault. Very simple. He knows he is in the wrong morally and legally hence the bluster about weapons
Should be prosecuted but I bet he is not
Turned BBC Breakfast on this morning and thought it was a Handmaid's Tale preview.
What a cowardly little prick.
Green-peace: Clue's in the name.
..and, right - they showed a few more clips of these female protesters being physically handled by men - just didn't look right in 2019. Male police officers won't manhandle women (as far as I know), unless extreme circumstances dictate, so why do these over-privileged pricks think they're allowed to? One of them actually looked like he was trying to grab a bit of breast, with a weird hand on the chest action.
I think I might recognise the lady involved, a former colleague. 🙂
Anyone who thinks this is acceptable, what would you do if someone treated your wife/mother/daughter like this while they were peacefully protesting.
There is not a hope in hell he would have acted like that if it was a man protesting.
What a load of over blown bollocks
However, that someone is an MP. And the person being hauled is a woman in an evening dress.
Does the fact she's a woman make any difference? Does the fact she was in an evening dress make any difference? Why?
That is not reasonable and justified use of force. And anyone who thinks any differently deserves a good kicking 🙂
Hate Tories: Think climate change is a real emergency.
But cringe at the faux outrage.
Right wing heroes Tommy Ten names and Farage have milkshake thrown on them, the right declare it an outrage to freedom of speech.
Eh??? People should be prevented from chucking eggs/milkshake etc over Corbyn/Farage and equally people should be prevented from doing whatever was going to happen when the woman got on the stage at this event. There's no double standard whatsoever.
Tory MP Peter Bottomley has definitely got the best theory on this. He's just been on the radio saying 'she could have had a truncheon in her handbag'
I'm picturing the scene from Lock Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels with Hatchet Harry...
Yep comes across as a bully in that. No one else seemed concerned by a lady in evening wear walking past yet he felt the need to use his size to stop her. I didn't see him stand up to try and engage verbally to ask to leave, just route one to overbearing bellend.
If he did that to my wife, daughter or son then he should expect repercussions from the law as there is no way that is acceptable behaviour from an adult.
Could this government lose its majority before BoJo is crowned?
It's assault and he knows it, hence the panicking apology, the transparent nonsense claiming he thought she was armed and the prompt offering himself up to the Standards Committee. His handlers have launched full deflection mode to try and head off an assault charge. He should be down the nick being charged.
Help me Outofbreath, I couldn't see the milkshake let alone a weapon.
Eh??? People should be prevented from chucking eggs/milkshake etc over Corbyn/Farage and equally people should be prevented from doing whatever was going to happen when the woman got on the stage at this event. There’s no double standard whatsoever.
Ermmmm! You seem to have edited what I said then agreed with my point.
Of course a part from you're imagination running away with you about her doing something on stage.
Anyone who thinks this is acceptable, what would you do if someone treated your wife/mother/daughter like this while they were peacefully protesting.
My sister is exactly the type who might do something like this. I'm pretty sure my view would be the same.
Hate Tories: Think climate change is a real emergency.
But cringe at the faux outrage.
Yep.
I don't think it's 'faux' outrage.
You just don't go round grabbing people by the throat and slamming them against pillars.
The chap who milkshaked Nige was prosecuted. Mark Field should be treated in the same manner.
Was she verbally asked to leave first? If so and she refused, I don’t see how this is assault. Likely just a somewhat awkward use of reasonable force in the prevention of crime.
while they were peacefully protesting.
Is that peaceful protesting?
In a private function
Uninvited
Has clearly been asked to leave repeatedly but hasn't
I'm also not sure the wouldn't happen if it was a man comments are particularly fair it probably would and potentially with more swinging of punches. surely with equality comes the acceptance that as a woman making a nuisance of herself she might get ejected by a man. I'd expect that level of treatment in that situation.
The initial grab was a bit rough but from a twisted seating position i can see how it would be difficult to get it right but as far as i can see he swiftly got her turned around and directing her out the door. I've had worse at gigs in the general joy of moshing about.
I'm not suggesting he comes out of it smelling roses mind. The "she might have a gun" is bullshit I can see how prescott lashed out not knowing what was going on thats not the case here clearly.
Its a room full of knobbers. I admire her antics , i'd actually like to know what she makes of his actions I'm sure she didn't go into the room expecting to continue until she got bored I also think she did well not to try and gouge his eyes out. I just don't think its a story.
A run down of the collective criminality and tax dodging gathered in the room would be more interesting.
Is that peaceful protesting?
Walking around singing and chanting isn't exactly violence.
Not reasonable force by any definition. You can't just attack people who walk past because of what they might do in your fevered gammagination.
Was she asked to leave?
If the police asked you to leave a scene and you refused and then when they made a grab for you, you resisted - you’d get swung on to the floor and your arms cuffed before you could even scream.
What's bothering me most is the media narrative - WFH today so in the unfortunate position of having the Vine show on, and the story on there is entirely "in this day and age, everyone's scared, no-one knew what she might have been doing" - someone on the show actually said that the woman fougt back, and that's just a lie. Honestly, the media in this country (STW excepted 🙂 ) really needs an overhaul, way too influentially, way too agenda-driven. 🙁
I've ****ed Vine off and am now listening to the cricket, which is a far nicer place to be. 🙂
Someone suggested GBH? Might want to have a quick run of google fella. ABH if she has any non-serious injuries at most. Common assault at least. I'm sure there must be a plod around these parts somewhere to confirm that...
His 'instincts' were good, only one to react, but looks to be driven more by anger than a protective reasoning; looking at her size and weight she wouldn't take much to control with a little less force.
But hey ho, let's see what the court of public opinion says then the law. That's how these things work right?
Was she asked to leave?
Not by the police.
Doesn’t matter.
Is that peaceful protesting?
The very definition of it, I'd say.
If the police asked you to leave a scene and you refused and then when they made a grab for you, you resisted – you’d get swung on to the floor and your arms cuffed before you could even scream.
She wasn't asked to leave by the police.
She didn't resist.
Some footage here shows what violent thugs they were and how just standing infront of them stopped them, before escorting them away in a sensible manner. What is interesting is that the claping seems to be to drown out the Greenpeace protest speech.
If the police asked you to leave a scene and you refused and then when they made a grab for you, you resisted – you’d get swung on to the floor and your arms cuffed before you could even scream.
🙄
If the police asked you to leave a scene and you refused and then when they made a grab for you, you resisted – you’d get swung on to the floor and your arms cuffed before you could even scream.
Is Mark Field a policeman?
Anyone else think she had a slight smirk as she gets hauled past the camera? ...hard to read the expression, but I'm sure it wasn't agony 😉
ie. if he hadn't done that, would we have heard about the protest?
Walking around singing and chanting isn’t exactly violence.
Depends on the song/singing surely? When does it go from peaceful to generally causing a nuisance and needs to be escalated in some way?
Out of interest Drac how do you deal with pissed up women* singing and chanting and getting in your way while you are working?
*Not in the slightest bit suggesting she is or that its anyway the same. Just wondering what you are allowed to do when you need someone to **** the **** off so you can help someone.
Again, doesn’t matter Kerley.
Josh, reasonable force but they will probably get some kind of restraint training as well.
Difference being the police are trained and authorised to use force. He isn't and wasn't therefore he may likely have to justify that use of force to a magistrate. But it comes down to honest belief, and you'll have a hard time proving he did it because he hates hippies.
Doesn’t matter.
If the police weren't there, she was unlikely to be at any risk of being
swung on to the floor and your arms cuffed before you could even scream.
Apart from by an angry tinpot MP stuffing his nose up the bank industry's collective ass, of course.
Depends on the song/singing surely? When does it go from peaceful to generally causing a nuisance and needs to be escalated in some way?
Songs aren't violence at all.
Out of interest Drac how do you deal with pissed up women* singing and chanting and getting in your way while you are working?
Ignore them.
Difference being the police are trained and authorised to use force. He isn’t and wasn’t therefore he may likely have to justify that use of force to a magistrate. But it comes down to honest belief, and you’ll have a hard time proving he did it because he hates hippies.
Total bollocks, the public are allowed to used reasonable force as well. If anything, because the police, teachers and others are trained - they are held to a higher standard when it is used.
Mah, cops only really start throwing you around when you're an arse. She seemed pretty mild to me. I imagine when confronted by the police they would have mooched off. Did't seem like they were dressed for a ruck in cocktail dresses and suits to be fair.
Does the fact she’s a woman make any difference? Does the fact she was in an evening dress make any difference? Why?
Point was that it isn't a scene that can be passed off as 'nothing'. If it was two middle aged men in DJs it probably wouldn't be trending on all forms of media this morning.
Normal right wing double standards on show as usual.
If a bloke can lose his job, get a £350 fine and 150 hours of community work and charged with assault for throwing a milkshake at Froggy Farage, then same standards should apply to Mark Field MP (who should know better anyway), and with hindsight has realised that, hence the fulsome apologies this morning in the hope of avoiding having his collar felt.
In this context, it's probably grounds for an assault charge.
But it comes down to honest belief, and you’ll have a hard time proving he did it because he hates hippies.
There was clearly no danger and he clearly reacted in anger. I rather suspect he [i]does[/i] hate hippies, especially as he said this in May this year -
"Mark Field MP
The UK remains committed to helping women all over the world to feel safe and protected in the work they do, so they can speak freely and be part of the change we all want. "
Not arguing with you Ray, we're on the same page, so calm it down.
Hence why I said he will have to justify that force to someone.
Just making the point that the police have a range of tools which go beyond what many can do. Like handcuffs, etc.
One could argue quite easily it was reasonable given the circumstance, whereas others could argue the opposite.
Total bollocks, the public are allowed to used reasonable force as well.
Correct but that wasn't reasonable force.
Wouldnt have done that to a bloke is right. Looks like hes no stranger to grabbing hold of women that way.
I think he probably has a micro a penis.
Pondo, prove it.
It's that simple. He states he felt she was a threat, maintains that line throughout questioning and potential court.
Maintains that was his honest belief and the force he used was proportional, he did not strike her, cause injury.
Doubt very much legally will happen. (Edit: at most common assault, max 6 months prison. Most likely fine like the milkshake chuckers and some unpaid work) Professionally, well that remains to be seen.
Is that a hunting horn braying in the background?