i have tried to keep out of these riot threads............i know the kind of replies i would get from all the soft lefty shytes (teej, elf and others) would make me want to argue more.
so i only have a little bit to say.
well done to the manc's old bill.............that is the correct way to deal with thieving, spineless yobs. 8)
they look like youths to me in the vid could be small men i suppose
The average height of the full grown scumbag here in Manchester is only about 5'5".
Binners - is this some form of tourettes manifested through the posting of images? What is your real life equivalent behaviour? Are you making a point or are you just trying to get some attention?
TJ, So is almost everything that's been said on this thread...
No one here is in possession of any fact relating to that video.
It could be a police over reaction to kids riding their bikes or it could be youths riding bikes they've just stolen after putting the front in of a local cycle shop.
From the video it would appear that the helicopter was tracking them plus the fact they left the bicycles behind would lean towards the later.
If that is the case then it's a job well done. They might decide to stop in tonight rather than get another beating.
I suppose it is a form of random word-association tourettes triggered by the usual suspects beating each other with metaphorical sticks. I thought it might enliven proceedings abit for everyone else. You can join in if you like......
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Can I just say (about the above pic)..
I 'would' 8)
Whether they're kids or not isn't relevant, either it's wrong or it's not. Doesn't suddenly become OK for a policeman to beat up an adult.
Northernstar - check out the news, these thugs need to be off our streets.
Yeah, that must be why the police exercised their power to arrest them and take them off the streets eh. Oh.
gravitysucks - MemberHow do you know the man that got of the bike didn't shout "come on then you pig scum, I've got a knife"?
Well, for one thing I don't see he had enough time to say all that. And if he had, they wouldn't have just knocked him about then left him, they'd have searched him for the knife. And you'd [i]hope[/i], arrest him for threatening a police officer with a knife. And even if he'd shouted all that, it's [i]still[/i] not the right response.
neninja - MemberNo one here is in possession of any fact relating to that video.
It could be a police over reaction to kids riding their bikes or it could be youths riding bikes they've just stolen after putting the front in of a local cycle shop.
It wouldn't be the correct response to either situation, so, what does it matter? Just another smokescreen.
Druidh's on the real crux of it- is it OK for the police to beat people up instead of arresting them. Whether they're criminals or not, whether they're kids or adults, whether they're lippy or armed or black. When does it become OK for the police to stop enforcing the law? When the cells are full? When it's a busy night? When the paperwork takes too long? When the little scrote deserves it?
well done to the manc's old bill.............that is the correct way to deal with thieving, spineless yobs
but its the wrong way to deal with kids out for a bike ride, I suspect that's not what they are, but its why we expect only "appropriate" force to be used.
neninja - MemberNo one here is in possession of any fact relating to that video.
Yes we are - we can see what is happening. Beating with a baton a person who is lying on the ground is not and can never be reasonable use of force. we can also see the police do not restrain them so he clearly is not considered a danger.
Can I just say (about the above pic)..I 'would'
looks like it could be a man!
but its the wrong way to deal with kids out for a bike ride
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Could we power the national grid with handwringing?
Beating with a baton a person who is lying on the ground is not and can never be reasonable use of force.
Of course it can, if it stops them from getting up and fighting, or running away, makes them let go ofthe brick/knife/broken bottle etc that they may be holding... It may or may not be in this case, we don't actually know, do we?
Beating with a baton a person who is lying on the ground
To be fair to the copper, he wasn't on the ground to start off with.
I lost all sympathy for anyone out late at night running around causing trouble when I saw peoples businesses and homes being lit up around the country.
Would you be as sympathetic and caring if youths smashed into your house and were dousing your car in petrol?
Lovely being able to sit at your PC in a warm room casting your liberal views. When it gets hot though you'll soon change your tune.
I used to live in the Northern Quarter. If I lived there now I'd want Police Snipers shooting people nevermind giving them a ticking off.
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i dont know any facts about the events before or after the video so i feel i'm in as stronger a position as anyone else to comment.
well done binners x
TJ - the left has failed, the namby pamby apologist non-judgementalism has failed, some of us have said throughout that it would
What world do you live in?
I'd love to know where they get the money from to buy all the petrol they are using! oh yeah, thats right - JSA and robbing!
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Stop pedalling your liberal Agenda to me Binners
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I suggest we all get tooled up go out this evening and severely beat a teanager, preferably one that is wearing a hooded top. Luckily I have one of those at home so I shall be beating him in the garden as it's less effort.
The police are indeed dammed if thay do and dammed if they don't but in the simplest terms they are entrusted to keep the peace and bring criminals before the law and so should be held to a much higher standard of behaviour than other people.
In this instance irrespective of what he did that kid didn't look like the kicking was required. Those two burly coppers could have restrained him in a less brutal way and I think we all know that to be true. However policemen are just people and I think we saw a bit of frustration being vented there, a real shame.
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Or maybe they have to send a message out/get ontop of the situation?
Lets not forget Manchester has ALOT of problems/estates and gang crime/criminality.
They need to get onto this asap before it spirals. A few idiots with split lips is a tiny price for people in Chorlton to keep taking their socially acceptable recreational drugs and telling people how good we should be. 😆
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assumption) those were kids in the video
observation) those kids got up and walked away - after being hit by adults with batons, and kicked.
flawed conclusion - with hint of troll) they weren't hit or kicked very hard, that is not a video of a 'beating', my girlfriend hits me harder than that when we're playing 'yellow car'.
personal assessment) the police were a bit naughty, but their behaviour is way down the list of things that i'm cross about right now.
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I've bin out to my allotment! 🙂
Elfinsafety, I'm not sure I understand any of your posts
It's ok; other people do.
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grr. I've just been out on the streetz and tipped over my own wheelie bin. I'm so angry!!!
That's not a police beating!
Now, [b]thats[/b] a police beating!
'Soft lefties'. I do like politico speak. Good on your hard righties!! Sock it to 'em!! Enoch was right. Oswald forever!!! Bring back the BUF!! Hurrah for the Blackshirts!!!
Seeing as people wanna bring things back - nat serv etc what about bringing the Blitz back? That'll bring the southern shites back together, that'll give em a sense of community ..... in all honesty f*uck London it sux.
Sorry if I've offended anyone.
Sorry if I've offended anyone.
More confused than offended.
Yup. Compared to that they might as well have given him a Chinese burn. Maybe it was excessive but ill bet most people won't be complaining.
Good one the Manc police! The chavs need to learn some respect and fear of the police. When we were kids in the 70's we were terrified of the SPG who didn't hesitate to give out a hiding.
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And thats why bands came out with song titles like '**** The SPG'.......
i have tried to keep out of these riot threads............i know the kind of replies i would get from all the soft lefty shytes (teej, elf and others) would make me want to argue more.so i only have a little bit to say.
well done to the manc's old bill.............that is the correct way to deal with thieving, spineless yobs
Amen.
hora - MemberWould you be as sympathetic and caring if youths smashed into your house and were dousing your car in petrol?
Eh, is it just me or do some people enormously miss the point? It's not about being "sympathetic or caring"- it's about saying the police should do their jobs. I couldn't give a rat's ass about the looters, but there's the rule of law, and then there's this. And if the police aren't going to respect the rule of law, then why should anyone else?
If I had youths smashing into my house, I'd want them arrested and put on trial. And if these guys did anything as serious as that and got let away then nobody wins.
Just to highlight how little can be gleaned from that footage, Cheshire, Merseyside, Humberside, West Yorkshire, Lancashire, Cumbria and North Wales ALL had officers on duty in Manchester last night...
Anyone care to identify where the officers were from?
And in case anyone misses my point.
Too many people, jumping to too many conclusions based on too little EVIDENCE is pointless
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'Soft lefties'. I do like politico speak. Good on your hard righties!! Sock it to 'em!! Enoch was right. Oswald forever!!! Bring back the BUF!! Hurrah for the Blackshirts!!!
Eh, where's the connection? What's racism got to do with it?
Rioting, thieving, selfish little shite's of ANY colour or creed should be treated EXACTLY the same!
Their behaviour being the issue, not their colour!
Now, one could comment that the [i]majority [/i]of looting and rioting in certain London districts does [i]appear[/i] to have been done by young black males, for [i]whatever[/i] reason - however that remains an elephant in the room for now, and clearly does not appear to have been an issue in Manchester!
Too many people, jumping to too many conclusions based on too little EVIDENCE is pointless
Evidence? Pfft! Go back to Russia, Fritz!
I blame Fur Q
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'Soft lefties'. I do like politico speak. Good on your hard righties!! Sock it to 'em!! Enoch was right. Oswald forever!!! Bring back the BUF!! Hurrah for the Blackshirts!!!Seeing as people wanna bring things back - nat serv etc what about bringing the Blitz back? That'll bring the southern shites back together, that'll give em a sense of community ..... in all honesty f*uck London it sux.
The award for dumbest posting of the day goes to Ratswithwings ta da.
Sorry if I've offended anyone.
No, I think I'm the only one who bothered to read your post.
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I blame Fur Q
He was right though. You do have to kill people to get them to respect you.
Well I'm trying to play dumb so I can fit in with all of you.
Well I'm trying to play dumb so I can fit in with all of you.
Well, you are half way there...
Thanks! Just a little more to go and I'll be down there with you.
Thats just whats needed . Even cameron said he wanted a more robust police responce, and even warned parents to keep there kids off the streets. Well done more of the same tonight.
Just checked... Nope, nothing as daft as you in my posts...
v8ninety, is you name about a Landrover?
Terribly sorry old boy. Note taken. Can you stop stammering on your full stops though - somewhat annoying visually ... see what I mean? ...
Yes mate, same name as on another forum, saves me remembering which name for which site.
Edit especially for Ratswithwings...
So, when you dial 999 and get told that all of the officers are currently back at the station processing earlier arrests what would your response be? The first thing I'd want if someone was smashing into my house would be a policeman or two there to stop it. I'm not even starting to pretend that the situation is ideal but there's a finite resource to deal with this.Northwind - Member
If I had youths smashing into my house, I'd want them arrested and put on trial.
Two days time = start of Manchester Carnival. Hence the urgency of the Police to enable a clear decision on whether to cancel.
Excuse me if I don't cry over spilt milk when my partner and son will be alone in what could be a real explosive situation with many people congregating in one place.
Short sharp shock and tbh I'd rather they shoot the useless bags of skin than innocents suffer.
Sick of them.
I'm quite looking forward to Notting Hill Carnival in a couple of weeks.
hora - MemberTwo days time = start of Manchester Carnival. Hence the urgency of the Police to enable a clear decision on whether to cancel.
Six days 'till the anniversary of the [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre ]Peterloo Massacre[/url] too.
Insert your own appropriate metaphor.
... Ta! ... though... you're calling me daft and you have to use the same name for two completely different msg boards... All you have to do is remember that one msg board is two wheels orientated and your 'other' msg board is for four wheels and use a name accordingly. Hence V8 for your Landrover msgboard and perhaps a bikey type name for this one? Simps really... I think I'm being insulted by someone dafter than me!! oops ... almost forget them...
This has got bugger all to do with Peterloo.
Harry_the_Spider - MemberThis has got bugger all to do with Peterloo.
Dunno, made me quite sad TBH.
Wonder how many of last nights' looters have any comprehension of what happened at Peterloo, how fragile the right to legitimate protest is and how easily that right can be removed again?
Excuse me if I don't cry over spilt milk when my partner and son will be alone in what could be a real explosive situation with many people congregating in one place.
If you think it could be dangerous, why would you put yourself in that situation with a small child?
druidh - MemberSo, when you dial 999 and get told that all of the officers are currently back at the station processing earlier arrests what would your response be? The first thing I'd want if someone was smashing into my house would be a policeman or two there to stop it. I'm not even starting to pretend that the situation is ideal but there's a finite resource to deal with this.
Property damage and theft are lower priorities- they were straight out of coppers for chasing looters but if you'd made that 999 call, you'd find a different response. You know as well as I do that there'd never be a time when all officers are unavailable for a serious call, not when most are chasing and processing looters.
If police turning vigilante is OK, there should be a process for that. If we think it's OK, then the officers need protection, they need to be able to act within their authority. Otherwise, we just need to accept that sometimes, you can't catch them all. But turning a blind eye to individual officers exceeding the law isn't a solution. Especially not for the officers.
Also, o'course, we need to be not slashing police budgets.
Rusty Spanner - MemberWonder how many of last nights' looters have any comprehension of what happened at Peterloo, how fragile the right to legitimate protest is and how easily that right can be removed again?
How many would even care? All they were thinking about was where they could steal the next pair of trainers or electrical gadget.
There was no protesting.
The word "disrespect" should be allowed some rest, as it has been abused shamefully in recent days.
Mancunians of European descent speaking like some sort of mentally deficient, hybrid Kingston Town Yardie-LA gangsta<sic> should also be banned. Full Stop.
hora - MemberShort sharp shock and tbh I'd rather they shoot the useless bags of skin than innocents suffer.
Sick of them.
For once, I agree with the sentiment of what Hora says. I'm not generally in favour of martial law or death squads, but there are a lot of people in Manchester that the city would be far, far better off without. Who knows what the answer is??
Yes, there are social problems and I believe in trying to help people, but there is no excuse for destroying other people's property and livelihood because you feel like doing a bit of stealing and anarchy.
Peterloo was different, it wasn't a group of thieves ransacking the town centre. I've never been in favour of the army looking after civil disorder before, but I would have been cheering them on if the Paras had turned up en masse and battered the cr*p out of those scumbags trashing Manchester last night and London the night before. There may have been a few injuries, and possibly worse, but it would certainly have made an impression.
There's currently 100+ 'vigilantes' on the streets of Eltham that the Police are trying to convince to disperse. They're clearly Millwall fans as they've adapted their anthem & are chanting "No-one loots us, no-one loots us".
Whilst it's mildly amusing, the potential for massive civil unrest if they do come face to face with some scrotes is quite scary. And that's just one small corner of South East London.
a good hard kicking/beating is exactly what these little scrotes deserve - this country is far too PC, if the police force cant show a bit of brutality in times like this then who the hell can?!?!??!!? i love the fact how the PC good two shoes brigade jumps straight onto the 'no need for the beating' from the police etc....just like there is no need for these little shites to burning peoples houses, businesses etc...yet folk behind a keyboard on a shitty forum decide its wrong what the officers are doing, with no evidence or idea what has happened before the filming....yet again the majority of you half wits let want the 'law' to be taken too literally, ie if we cant do it then why can the police!?!?...in times where law has no place, ie now, the officers should be able to do all necessary to get these thugs off the streets, and by any means necessary, and if that means giving them a good hiding then they bloody deserve it....some of the respsonses on here are so laughable, you seem to think its not affecting you so you can sit on your perch on a forum telling everybody how 'incorrect' it is to give these absolute degenerates a beating....if i had a choice id gladly shoot the little shit bags...
over and out.
the potential for massive civil unrest if they do come face to face with some scrotes is quite scary.
Well, one can only hope that said scrotes take heed, and don't try and loot them 😉
I struggle with long sentences, but generally the problem with handing out violence without any kind of process is that lots of innocent people end up getting the crap beaten out of them. Plus, your opponents might just come back with more and you end up with a war going on, which doesn't help anyone. You should only enter a fight you think you can win.
Plus, if you get the police or army beating up the local scum, what do you think they'll think? They'll just hate authority even more, and end up with even more fire in their belly for next time.
So the simplistic 'beat em all up' approach has drawbacks from a purely practical point of view not just when it comes to moralising.
True, but that's a miilion miles from 2 days ago, with everyone just standing by.
moralising?!?! these little scrotes have no morals do they not??
you think they have respect for the law now?? before/after a beating off a copper?? seriously??!?! do you live on this planet??
reading alot of the trife on this thread clearly suggests alot of you guys do not live in the real world and always opt for the softly softly approach...
these are mostly kids, if a war is what it takes, then give the police/army the authority to go on ahead and do whats needed, i know who id put my money on winning 😉
sometimes words/politicians/government rules/laws just are not enough - if this carries on then there should be special exceptions to give the police force as much power as they need - with no comebacks...they kill all these scrotes then so be it, id have no sympathy.
the lad that got killed that started this all off had a knife and gun, they shot him, and now already they want to question why he was shot?!?!!?!? THE FACT HE HAD A GUN AND KNIFE ON HIM clearly doesnt ring any alarm bells does it!??!?! noppeeee if half you folk on here had your way he could easily/gladly walk around parading it all day...i mean its not as if hes ever used/going to use it is he now?!?!
Plus, if you get the police or army beating up the local scum, what do you think they'll think? They'll just hate authority even more, and end up with even more fire in their belly for next time.
Of course that is true, but they are already "disrespected, nuffin' to do, I need a bigger tv, man, blud, innit" and other such f*ck*ng mindless, ignorant drivel, so would it make any difference?
Feral teenage boys should not have the confidence to over-run a city centre or high street in order to steal and set fire to it with impunity.
Molgrips the criminality think nothing of giving out violence but are quite shy when its handed back.
As I've said countless times ...how long would a riot last if the police threw bck bricks and the looters returned home to find their own homes burnt down?
Stop the soft/niave attitude. They want something for nothing all their lives.
you think they have respect for the law now??
Of course not, but I am saying they won't have any respect for it after it beats them up either.
Stop the soft/niave attitude
Not being soft. I'm trying to say that a war would not solve anything. That's not soft, it's practical.
how long would a riot last if the police threw bck bricks and the looters returned home to find their own homes burnt down?
Serious?
you think they have respect for the law now?? before/after beating off a copper??
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Now that's [i]got[/i] to be illegal, surely?
