[Closed] Man shot by police in London this week.

I'd imagine he was re-holstering the pistol and hadn't put the safety on. Muppet.

He was probably just showing off to a prisoner. Doing that spinnyroundy gun-slinger thing. And shot himself in his own head.

Sh!t happens........

Just as well he wasn't black or it'd be 'policeman shots black man but is schizophrenic and blames other self...'

The IPCC have rushed out a statement that completely absolves every policeman in the UK of any blame whatsoever.

They have also confirmed they will retract this statement when any new evidence comes to light that makes them look like they are covering stuff up.

I imagine he was masturbating while rubbing it against his erection.

Well if you carry a gun in the UK you do risk getting shot by the police.

was he cocking his weapon and it just went off in his hand?

If he was, he can take some comfort knowing that he isn't firing blanks.

Yet another 'highly trained Officer' who accidentally fires a gun.
You couldnt make it up, it's like something off the Police Academy films.

Why did he have the gun cocked? Why wasnt the safety catch on, and why ever was it ready to be fired when he wasnt even on active duty?

This is another of the list of Policemen shooting themselves or others accidentally. The best must be the Thames Valley Firearms Instructor showing various guns off in a training session, then shooting one of the audience. It wasnt a firing range, it was a classroom type room, so there should never have been ammunition in the gun.

I suppose this one will be quietly forgotten, again.

Im surprised the police didnt release an initial statement saying that the policeman was shot by a terrorist and/or black person

before eventually changing their story once it had circulated in the press for a while

Isn't there some good youtube of this sort of thing?

Alanl

[b]Why did he have the gun cocked? [/b]Not all hand guns need to be cocked to fire, the trigger just requires more pressure

[b] Why wasnt the safety catch on[/b] Again, not all hand guns have safety catches

[b]why ever was it ready to be fired when he wasnt even on active duty?[/b] Same answer as the first. Rounds in the magazine, not necessarily cocked.

Not being a pain, just trying to educate.

Was it a Glock?

standard 'desk pop' init

You people make me sick. Do you think that any police officer gets up in the morning wanting to shoot anyone? He will have to live with this for the rest of his life. This will be weighing on his mind forever.

Mmm, I'd expect it to be a magazine loaded semi auto pistol.
That means cocking to get a bullet in the barrel, and all I have ever seen have a safety catch.

If a revolver, it would have a safety, and need a lot more pressure to pull the trigger if not cocked.
Either way, the man is a buffoon, and should be thrown out of the Police for being so stupid.

Familiarity breeds contempt?

hundreds of thousands of loads/unloads annually - sooner or later... just takes a distraction for mag out then cycle action to become cycle action then mag out!

Happens to the best unfortunately

Of course it will be on his mind. It was his own fault for shooting himself. (ok, there may be a slight chance of the gun malfunctioning, but it is a very very small chance).

Is disappointed the attention seekers haven't called them the 'polis' 😥

Mmm, I'd expect it to be a magazine loaded semi auto pistol.
That means cocking to get a bullet in the barrel, and all I have ever seen have a safety catch.

It would have been a semi auto (normally glock 17 or 26) and i agree would need cocking to be in a loaded and ready state. Something which in military terms and one would assume police terms should only be adopted when you need to fire.

The glock doesn't have a conventional safety catch as such unless it is a model with the ILS device. The glocks triple safety system operates on the trigger pull to ensure it will only go off with someone squeezing the trigger.

I heard he was wearing a large jacket and therefore he had no choice but to shoot himself.

I heard he was Brazilian.

I'd like all the people who never make mistakes to raise their hands. Thought so, no one.

Me..

Sooo me.

😆

trambler - Member

I'd like all the people who never make mistakes to raise their hands.

I've had my hands up since the start of this thread, just in case

i agree would need cocking to be in a loaded and ready state. Something which in military terms and one would assume police terms should only be adopted when you need to fire.

If you make ready when you need to fire I would suggest that's a bit late, and will probably be the last thing you do.

To be fair, how do you know the Evening Standard have it right? I know of at least one incident of an officer taking his own life with his operational firearm on Police premises. I sincerely hope this wasn't the case but before you all stick your boots in shall we try and separate fact from fiction? No, didn't think so.

[I've had my hands up since the start of this thread, just in case]
You never know ................if you're a fence sitting mud slinger as opposed to gun slinger, it's probably not a bad course of action.

Will there be riots by disaffected officers demanding justice?

Obligatory Joking aside hope hes alright

Mildred - Riverside?

This chap shot himself in the leg and is fine, I checked that before I posted the link.

There has been a rally of police officers in support of the shooter. The Police Federation has estimated its size at around 3,456,444 people.

Mildred - Riverside?

Yes, it was a long night that one. A real tragedy.

Or the Manchester accidental shooting of another officer 🙁

Revolvers don't have safety catches. I don't know which kind of self loading pistol this force uses but many modern ones don't have safety catches either. They can be safely carried with a round in the chamber and the hammer forward.

A very good friend of mine is a Police firearms officer. We discussed how they operate. Their weapons are always carried "made ready", in other words they have a round in the chamber. They make safe before they put the weapon back into the locker. This is where the greatest chance of an ND comes from as you have to pull the trigger as part of the unloading drill.

I don't know which kind of self loading pistol this force uses but many modern ones don't have safety catches either

Not revolvers.

This is where the greatest chance of an ND comes from as you have to pull the trigger as part of the unloading drill.

Are you sure?

He might not be sure, but I am.
To unload the weapon, you remove the magazine and pull back the action to eject the round from the chamber, this leaves the hammer in a cocked and ready to fire position. That is when pulling the trigger will release the hammer and hopefully, if you've removed all the bullets in the first part, not fire.
Some weapons have concealed hammers so you cannot release it slowly with a thumb. However, you'd still need to pull the trigger to release it in either scenario.

Isn't it with a Glock you keep pulling the chamber until the rounds clear. If you've drop the mag then their should only be one at most, no need to pull the trigger at all.

So basically as he was putting towards/in the holster he caught the trigger on clothing kit or inserted with his finger pressured onto the trigger. The latter being a wtf error.

Sounds likely to me hora if it was a Glock then it'd need the pressure on trigger safety to fire so possibly his finger rather than clothing.

Drac. Have another read of my post mate. If you pull back the action for any reason, the hammer will be cocked and ready to be released.
The problem is that when you put a weapon in the hand of an idiot. Even a highly trained idiot. Accidents can and probably will happen. Regarding most accidental shootings, it's usually someone else who is hurt. This is because people become complacent and fail to remember a simple rule.
Never point a weapon at anyone you do not wish to shoot.
Even when unloading, servicing or otherwise one should be aware of the proximity of others at all times.

Very common to have an ND during the unload. People who are tired forget to take the magazine out so cocking it to eject the chambered round just loads another one so when they "ease springs" the thing goes off. Thats why you should unload into an unloading bay (or the one metre range as its known)!
Someone where I used to be had an ND whilst unloading a .50cal. That was messy.

Oh! Sorry Gears_suck I'm on nights so my brain is in slow mo, you basically gave a more detailed version. 😳

Whoa Army? At close range into self? (Hang on barrel would be too long)

I never pull the trigger unloading. Drop the magzine out, pull back the barrel, drop shell out of the chamber - gun unloaded

I'm suprised to hear that Police carry their weapons made ready all the time. Can a copper confirm this? When I was in NI in the Army our pistols were loaded but not made ready i.e mag on, not cocked. Before we entered any buildings on a base or police station they were always unloaded i.e mag off,no rounds in chamber.

I'd agree that the unload/make safe is the most likely time for an ND, especially when tired. A colleague of mine once had an ND on camp, I was the first one to get to him after the shot. I was expecting the worst, but when I got to him he was standing up, white as a sheet with his pistol pointing at the ground and a hole in the tarmac literally a centimetre from his toe. He lost a month's pay for that.

It is not unheard of for a people to shoot themselves in the leg whilst holstering/upholstering a loaded weapon quickly ie.

My chum can confirm it! The thinking is that there is no point carrying the weapon if its not ready to go. He was surprised that the military don't make ready until they are ordered to ie just before they are going to fire.

ND's on tour result in loss of your tour bonus (about £5k I think?) unless you are the American who shot a contractor in the foot then just ran away and was never found!

Thanks Rockhopper, I guess it has something to do with the difference between having a 18-19 year old infantry grunt who's been playing COD since he was 12, and a 30+ bobby with a few years pounding the beat and a bit less testosterone pumping through his veins.