[Closed] M6 Carlsile average speed cameras catch

They must be rolling in it! Would that not be £350,000 in fines they have generated! That would go towards another polititions expenses then! Nice one!

I got caught on the A9 going North last week, 4 mobile units along the road, and because the road keeps switching from single to dual carraigway, the speed limit jumps from 60 to 70 all the time, and you forget to adjust your speed.
Absolute money grabbing w*nkers

Oh and dont get me started on the state of the roads either! 😀

The article on the [url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cumbria/8559670.stm ]BBC[/url] says

In total, 5,569 motorists were caught, but only those who drove faster than 60mph - about 2,800 people - will be prosecuted because of limited resources.

So you can get away with 59MPH then? doesn't seem to make sense to me.

And I do wonder if they were working all the time or if at night they stopped working and as such how many people were caught over night.

and you forget to adjust your speed.
... Absolute money grabbing w*nkers

LOL! Are you serious!? Hahahahahhahahaha!

Trekster, I drove through those roadworks a few weekends back and couldn't believe folk were blatantly putting the foot down to overtake. If you're too thick to spot a camera after you've been warned in BIG SIGNS then you deserve what you get...

If you're too thick [s]to spot a camera after you've been warned in BIG SIGNS[/s] [i][b]not to break the speed limit through roadworks[/b][/i], then you deserve what you get...

There, fixed it for you.

But, your original point is also valid Kit.

I dont mind about the roadworks speed limits but those mobile vans are just a money machine! No signs, no warnings, and they dont even have signs to indicate the change in speed limit between the different sections of the road. I came round the corner behind a truck so couldnt see the van in time before I realised I was now on a single carraigeway, about 500metres from the dual carraigeway I came off! Done for 71 in a 60 zone 🙁

I dont mind about the roadworks speed limits but those mobile vans are just a money machine! No signs, no warnings,

You shouldn't be speeding, it's farcical that they have to put limit/camera signs near cameras anyway, the standard road signs should be fine!

and they dont even have signs to indicate the change in speed limit between the different sections of the road.

That would suggest that there's either no change, or that they're acting illegally and you should warn them of it.

There's no excuse for being caught speeding. While they may well be cash generating machines, they're only enforcing the laws that you should be abiding anyway, you're bang to rights if you get caught - grow up and accept the punishment.

before I realised I was now on a single carraigeway, about 500metres from the dual carraigeway I came off!

All that you're saying here suggests you have the observational skills of a blind rat.

I came round the corner behind a truck so couldnt see the van in time before I realised I was now on a single carraigeway

a point well made

coffeeking, you are probably quite used to hearing this, but Ill say it anyway, your a dickhead. There I have now lowered myself to your level by returning your offensive toned post. Breakfast now me thinks 😀

Awww, someone pointed out that he's in the wrong and he doesn't like it, poor little baby 😉 None of the above was offensive, just observational, something you seem to struggle with 😆 I'm not saying I don't speed, or that I'm not likely to get caught at some point and will probably find it frustrating, but I wouldn't be whinging about it if I did as it would either be my own stupidity and/or my own lack of observation that caused it!

I came round the corner behind a truck so couldnt see the van in time before I realised I was now on a single carraigeway

how close were you to the back of the truck? If you cant see his mirrors he cant see you.

Also, if you had merged from dual into single carriageway you surely noticed the lanes merging, hatching / road markings / end of dual carriageway signs? Not to mention the oncoming traffic in your lane?

If not, let me know the next time you're on the A9 and i'll avoid it.

Eh no, I definitely noticed that your a dickhead, but get your point that that doesnt take a lot of observational skills lol

Eh no, I definitely noticed that your a dickhead, but get your point that that doesnt take a lot of observational skills lol

Ahhh adding immaturity to your lack of observation I see 😉

[edit]and let me know where abouts in glasgow you live and work, so I can avoid riding/driving near you please[/edit]

Money spinning cash cows yes but....
if you can't tell the difference between a dual and a single carrageway road and their respective speed limits without big signs to tell you then I would suggest with 3 points and £60 you are getting off very lightly
Your frankly not safe / clever / observational / concentrated enough to be driving

Im not the one taking the time to "quote" other posters threadsjust because he was having a bit of a rant. At the end of the day, everyone goes little over the speed limit now and again, and if you cant have a quick rant about it on a forum for like-minded people without being flamed its a sad day. But hey ho, Ill be the bad guy for the day 😈 lol

Well at least you accepted the prize of bad guy of the day, that's pretty big of you, so I'll climb down off my moral horse and shake your hand for that at least 🙂

THere are also definite rules about where they can and cannot site the "trap" if it was on a corner that is a definite no (as far as my aged memory stretches).

...and SJ if your up the arse of a 'truck' so close you cant see the camera van then given isaid truck was probably limited to 55mph anyway something tells me if you got done then something about your story isnt 100% true, you couldnt have been that close to the truck or with speed differences you would have been underneath it 😉
You just didnt see the camera van, or you were trying to get in front of the truck before the end of the dual section and had your foot down?

forum for like-minded people

people with a common interest maybe

if you cant have a quick rant about it on a forum for like-minded people without being flamed its a sad day.

This is a forum for mountain biking mate not ignorant speeding boy racer nobs so don't tar us all with your brush (there, now we are like minded - we both use petty insults)

Oh dear, Scottyjohn is

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lol yeah Ive been virtually owned my day is now ruined lol

And Iain mate, I think you need to have a word with your therapist, the anger management isnt working, and calling someone a nob (spelled Knob I believe) on a forum isnt really cool mate. Wind it in theres a good boy

Jesus wept, 'ignorant speeding boy racer nobs ' is a bit strong isn't it?

You can't complain about being caught on a camera if there is plenty of warning (which there usually is) and at the end of the day, there is a speed limit and all these are doing is enforcing it. Its the law, the cameras are there to enforce it - they shouldn't really have to give you a warning.

HOWEVER, quite why they need to enforce a 50mph limit on a section of carriageway thats still three lanes and just as wide as it was before (I'm thinking M3 here) is beyond me. Additionally, the variable limits on the M25 are a complete joke, they change between 50 -> 60 -> 50 -> 60 between each gantry so the traffic has no idea what speed it should be doing. to me thats more dangerous than sitting at 80mph and looking at the road rather than an overhead gantry and your speedo.

SJ - you'll be getting done again soon by the grammer police if they catch you. 🙂

Trekster - Member
5000 speeders in 5wks

So watch your speeeeeed

Aren't these average speed cameras the ones that were debunked on STW a couple weeks ago, if you change lanes in the speed monitored section the technology can't keep track of that??

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/do-they-really-work-average-speed-cameras-in-contraflow

I drive the A9 all the time (Inverness to Perth) - thank the lord for Cruise control...

but I know what scottyjohn is talking about.. with the camera's sat just after Dual Carriageways.. has made me very alert to what speed I am doing as the road goes back to single carriageway.
and thank the lord for Cruise control..

I'm guessing thats why the camera is sitting there, because they know people boot the tits off it to get by the slow traffic on the dueller and fail to slow down in time to get back in / or think they can overtake one more before pulling in.

I think there is a safety element to the camera placement in this case.

all the changes from single to dual and vice versa are sign posted with speedlimit changes.

no objection to folk making progress on a clear road(fwiw i have a vehicle that will barely do the speed limit never mind break it) but speeding through road works boils my piss - its not to slow you down its to make it safer for the workies ..... a large contractor my dad worked for actually went as far as to say any employee caught speeding through roadworks in a company vehicle would be instantly dismissed - not sure how that would stand up in court but id say its pretty similar to me getting up and throwing a shot put down the office - it might hurt someone it might not .... either way i wouldnt expect to have a job

davidrussell - Member
SJ - you'll be getting done again soon by the grammer police if they catch you.

Grammar, not grammer.

*Wanders off muttering about the decline of civilisation as we know it*

lol, touche 🙂

I'll never make it into the ranks of STW pedant legend then.

SJ - you'll be getting done again soon by the grammer police if they catch you

The [i][b]grammar[/b][/i] police did spot the lack of an apostrophe "your knob" but the perp' got off because he was only speed typing and not a danger to anyone

Touché, not touche.

Do I have to correct [i]everything[/i] for you?

😉

HOWEVER, quite why they need to enforce a 50mph limit on a section of carriageway thats still three lanes and just as wide as it was before (I'm thinking M3 here) is beyond me.

Because lanes size and number is not the only defining factor in speed selection, things like bend radii, what's at the side of the road, have they had to remove barriers temporarily, are there workers in the road at some point during the day, have they had to put down temporary road surfaces, have they narrowed it to 1 lane further up and occasionally that causes it to back right up... the list goes on, but people rarely think about them TBH.

scottyjohn
I work collegue of mine was killed on the A9 a couple of years ago and two others seriously hurt, he had only been driving a few weeks - head on collision with an idiot that was booting it along trying to overtake a lorry before the end of the dual carrageway and failed to pull back across in time
I think that proves the case for speed camera vans at the point in question, and the case for more observation and concentration, the use of both would have meant you noticed the road had become a single carrageway and noticed the van with a big blacked out window

Next time your complaining about 3 points on your license just bear in mind that you are at least still around to use your license

And as for anger management and calling people (k)nobs then I refer you to your earlier post refering to coffeking as a 'dickhead' 🙄

CFH - I actually wrote touch me, but I mistyped it. 🙂

Oh dear, most of you really wouldn't like what I'm CAD modelling right now....

Iain, sorry about your friend mate, its not good to lose someone like that. I was sitting in the slow lane of the carraigeway as I came to the end of the dual section, and the truck was doing roughly the same speed as me so I didnt cut in or anything, I had been behind the truck for a while. It was just the curve of the road is very gentle at that point, and the truck obscured my view. I suppose the fact that the truck and the cars behind me were all doing the same speed, that it slipped my mind to slow from 70 to 60, and yes Im in the wrong. On the OP, I do agree that speed limits in roadworks are important as there is a definite safety issue there for the guys working.

Its really simple - if you don't want to get caught speeding then don't speed. If you like to speed then when you get caught don't bleat about it.

As for the A9 - if you cannot tell when it goes from dual carriageway to single then you shouldn't be driving. The presence or absence of a central reservation , the large signs that are in place 1/4 mile before the end of the dual and again at the end of it and the speed limit signs are a clue.

Speed if you want and it is safe to do so - I often do - but if you get caught - especially if your observation is lacking then do not bleat about it.

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Crap, i am agreeing with TJ on this one!!

Speed if you want to and when it is safe to do so, get caught - don't whinge. Its a choice.

The biggest problem with the A9 between Perth and Inverness is the road.

It was designed as a dual road which was not build other than in sections.
Hense there are all these sweeping curves which make overtaking safely difficult. It changes from dual to single to three lane.

Due to the hills / distance etc there are slow vehicles, some very slow, people get fustrated. So there are wacky races on the dual sections.

If you compare it with the journey between Perth and Stirling. Dual all the way, you can sit at 65mph, 75 mph etc and barring a holdup you make the same time every journey. (n.b. not the best example as there are some horrific junctions like Aucterarder.)

I must be getting old as dropping my speed on my commute between Dunblane and Dundee to mostly 65mph it only takes 5 mins longer for a 50 mile journey with no hold ups and a steady speed.

best of a bad bunch though the a9 .... ive been misfortunate enough to travel the a96 several times in the last couple months ....thats an awful road !

I work collegue of mine was killed on the A9 a couple of years ago and two others seriously hurt, he had only been driving a few weeks - head on collision with an idiot that was booting it along trying to overtake a lorry before the end of the dual carrageway and failed to pull back across in time
I think that proves the case for speed camera vans at the point in question

Because he'd have been OK in a head on with somebody only doing 60mph?

no obviously not you daft insensitive c***
but if the presence of a camera slowws people down and makes them pay more attention....

Slower speeds give more time to brake and react if things do go wrong

Oh sorry - hadn't realised that mentioning somebody you know got killed allowed you to make a controversial point which nobody was allowed to argue with. Maybe if it's such a sensitive issue for you you shouldn't mention it on threads like this.

but if the presence of a camera slowws people down and makes them pay more attention....

aracer - slower speeds allow more time to take avoiding action - that you cannot deny. Higher speeds mean any crash is more dangerous

slower speeds allow more time to take avoiding action - that you cannot deny.

The biggest problem with the A9 between Perth and Inverness is the road.

All the more reason to take it easy then.

When I'm dictator there'll be speed cameras every 100 yards. Don't f*cking speed, it's really easy. Maybe you folk that can't keep the speed down need a bit more driver training or something?

while i agree with your statement re overtaking kills

the point is the boy wouldnt have bothered trying to over take had he only been doing 60ph as what ever he was oveertaking was likely doing 60mph ....

thus he wouldnt have crashed into the other boy

ever driven the a9 - it really is a crazy dangerous road ! ive seen some crazy shit on that road including that three cars can fit down the single carridge way without flinching - i was in the right lane on my own side and the car coming the other way being overtaken sped up - the car overtaking had no where to go as the **** behind had closed the gap - shit my self so i did

the point is the boy wouldnt have bothered trying to over take had he only been doing 60ph as what ever he was oveertaking was likely doing 60mph ....

I can trump your story - I had to put 2 wheels of my car onto a grass verge to get past a car overtaking coming the other way and avoid a head on (driving on the road to Skye North of Fort Bill). The thing is I don't think any of the cars involved was speeding.

The thing is I don't think any of the cars involved was speeding.

I don't think anyone's suggesting that you won't have an accident if you're not speeding. The point that we are trying to make is that when you're going faster, accidents are worse or certain kinds of accident are more likely.

In your case for instance if you'd been going faster you may not have been able to successfully avoid the other car.

The moral of this story, is [b]DO NOT GO TO SCOTLAND[/b], everyone up there clearly drives like a total psycho and you will die!

Getting back to the OP, it wasn't an average camera, just a normal speed camera.

I'm very firmly in the 'if you don't want to get done for speeding, don't speed camp', anyone who can't tell they've gone from a dual carriageway to a single carriageway road should have their license revoked, and shouldn't be allowed to use normal paper incase they poke their eye out on the corners.

no obviously not you daft insensitive c***

Is far too strong, I feel aracer did make a reasonable point, although I agree more with 'he wouldn't have bothered to overtake if there was a speed camera van there' perspective.

Just my £0.02

Serves the idiots right. 50mph for 10mins of your journey. Whats the problem? We all see people sailing past and I often think 'do they know something that everyone else doesnt?'

Hahaha FAIL. Idiots.

Its the people who sit in the middle and outside lanes at 48mph who are also idiots. KEEP LEFT!!!!!!!!!!!

hainey- Ive noticed that more and more now on unrestricted motorways. 65 in the fast lane holding everyone up. Idiots. I really cant understand that thinking.

I'm just talking about through the roadworks. People assume that because they are in roadworks its impossible for them to change lanes. 😯

I did think it was immaterial what lane you were in through roadworks but then I realised I was stopping the speeders from deflowering their licences so immediately pull out of the way 😆

The moral of this story, is DO NOT GO TO SCOTLAND, everyone up there clearly drives like a total psycho and you will die!

Actually I tend to notice that the farther south I get the faster people drive on motorways. In Scotland and North England it's pretty common to see the traffic tootling along at around 60-65. But as you get south the average speed seems to head steadily towards 90.

I suppose there are so many motorways in the south that people just get used to driving faster and faster.

Actually I tend to notice that the farther south I get the faster people drive on motorways

Agreed, recently moved from darn sarfff to ooop north and can say that I have noticed a big difference.

Aye- M25 is a lesson for any nervous drivers. At times its almost BTCC with close lane changes and undertaking.

on my odd forays down south i observe the same on the motorways, that drivers tend to drive faster and also much closer to the vehicle in front of them. This is not all the vehicles. What amuses me most is cars that come speeding past when i'm going 65-70 that you then catch up with when there is a snarl in the traffic further down the road. I tend to drive within the speed limit, it leads to no worries about speeding fines, better fuel economy and a more relaxed drive. I would be very very worried however if i failed to notice the road going from dual to single carriageway whatever the circumstances.

hainey- Ive noticed that more and more now on unrestricted motorways. 65 in the fast lane holding everyone up. Idiots. I really cant understand that thinking.

I think a lot of people think they are too good for the inside lane.

karnali the day I say the words 'speed limits are not targets to aim for' I will top myself. Rather that than become a pompous oaf in the IAM.

I think a lot of people think they are too good for the inside lane.

Yes, on the M4 you see people cramming themselves into the outside lane 6 ft apart when the other two have plenty of space, and yet all the traffic is moving at the same speed anyway. Morons.

I hate the law! Just get some fake plates if you've got the balls, if not speed and get done!

I hate the law! Just get some fake plates if you've got the balls, if not speed and get done!

I thought half term had finished?

Getting back to the OP, it wasn't an average camera, just a normal speed camera.

Would be interested to know how much Dumfries safety camers rake in? Probably make a fortune on the M74 @ Lockerbie sitting on the flyovers which are all mostly on a bend and the A75.
A75 is getting slow now due to lorries sitting @ 40mph so frustraion builds up and on all the straight bits where the camera vans sit become F1 tracks/whacky race venues!!!!

Have to drive past the M6 speed cameras every day upto 4 times a day. No porblem tbh. It says 50mph as you enter it. It states about 5,500 people caught in big letters and the cameras are bright yellow. With all that in place, you really do have to be simple to get caught. People still go blaring past me.

Whats the big deal. It states a speed limit and if you exceed it you get points & fine. I would quadruple the fine if i was in charge. You really have absolutely no excuses considering all the warnings in place.

Oh and the A75 is a bit of a pian Trekster. I have done it 8 times this week. TBH i have come to the conclusion its not worth trying to pass people. Even idiots that go hell for leather to get past people only ever end up a few hundred yards ahead on the entire carlisle to dumfries journey

It says 50mph as you enter it. It states about 5,500 people caught in big letters and the cameras are bright yellow. With all that in place, you really do have to be simple to get caught

Seriously? Then that really worries me that people dont have any awareness of their environment when they are driving.

Idiots.

Yep, it really is that well signed.

I thought half term had finished?
Your point is Hora?

 

I agree the people getting caught are idiots if it's a well signed visible fixed camera (assuming of course it's not a forward facing fixed camera like the ones on the A14 - in which case you've been done before you see the camera). It's still revenue generation not a safety thing, but they deserve to get done for having that poor observation.

"The moral of this story, is DO NOT GO TO SCOTLAND, everyone up there clearly drives like a total psycho and you will die!"
Actually I tend to notice that the farther south I get the faster people drive on motorways.

aracer - it is not about revenue generation - that is a myth. NO profits are made. You may not agree with speed cameras - but on the A9 they are not too frequent and its a road with lots of speeding and regular deaths.

NO profits are made.

You may not agree with speed cameras - but on the A9 they are not too frequent and its a road with lots of speeding and regular deaths.

Are the speeding and deaths on the A9 linked, or do they nab lots of people driving safely above the limit, whilst the ones killing themselves and others in head ons would have done so whether or not they were within the limit?

The ones on the A9 are at known accident black spots. These accidents are typically caused by folk overtaking when visibility is limited or at the end of a dual-carriageway section when you get a last-second lunge along the hatchings.

No - I mean all the fine are ploughed back into the cameras - they are actually quite expensive to run, analyse the pics, chase people for proescution, court time and so on.