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Not again. Please not again.
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Nothing's coming up on any of my news sources. What's up? And where are you finding it?
twitter starting to light up
The Sun & The Express have reports of an incident.
Just found it. 😥
Just had a BBC news alert, no details yet.
[url= https://twitter.com/PieriKaine/status/871115879748128768 ]Twitter footage[/url]
Hope people are ok.
*awaits imminent post blaming a muslim / ISIS
Witness just been talking on radio; white van, on road, onto pavement, hits pedestrians, back onto road and repeats.
Did not refer to 'terrorism' but that has now become our collective default setting.
We must wait until there is some confirmation - accident, pissed up driver or similar, or deliberate.
When I hear van/car drives into pedestrians my first thought is pissed driver. As above it is a worry when we think of someone intentionally doing this.
Though oddly it still seems ok to say you are going to run down a cyclist, we are a strange society really...
Hopefully the injuries are not too bad
*Don't spread rumors
*Don't spread gruesome images
*Lots of fake info out there
*Use official sources
*Wait for Confirmed info
When I hear van/car drives into pedestrians my first thought is pissed driver.
A few years ago I'm sure most people would have thought the same thing but with events recently I think we all know what conclusion will be jumped to before the facts are confirmed 🙁
Just heard somebody on sky news who claimed they heard rapid gunfire about 10 minutes before the police arrived. 🙁
Mass murder. Pure and simple. Regardless of actual or perceived motives.
Mass murder. Pure and simple. Regardless of actual or perceived motives.
Have there been fatalaties?
MrSmith - Member
Mass murder. Pure and simple. Regardless of actual or perceived motives.
Have there been fatalaties?
No idea yet in this case. Hopefully not. Was making a general point about the way these events are reported and perceived.
Campaign of terror during the UK election? 2 incidents in such a short period of time.
Omfg.
Whats wrong with you people? You should feel ashamed, people are lying hurt while you are bickering and spouting.
thomasthetankengine - Member
^Not prejudice if true though. Statement of fact.
Wikipedia' definitionPrejudice
Prejudgment, or forming an opinion before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case
So even if you're right it's still prejudice at the moment.
Let the police do their jobs.
Sky News reporting a 2nd incident at Borough Market. A knife attack.
Just heard somebody on sky news who claimed they heard rapid gunfire about 10 minutes before the police arrived.
Yeah. I heard that too. But I have to say that the source didn't sound overly convincing. And it seems slightly suspicious for only having been covered as a detail by Fox and Sky. At least so far.
I'm still hoping and praying for the best...
Predudice:
preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience
Was more what I was thinking.
Money on there being a knife attack every Saturday night in London. No need to think it's a) terror or b) linked - not yet anyway.
Let the police do their jobs.
Just heard a BBC worker also confirming she heard gunfire but thought it was from the police (she was in a restaurant at the edge of Borough Market at the time).
thomasthetankengine - Member
Predudice:
preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experienceWas more what I was thinking.
Well experience tells us lots of people get killed in RTAs and very few are deliberate or terrorist acts. It may be but to say so now is jumping to conclusions.
Shite
Good news is there seems to be no mention of fatalities on the BBC website. Let's hope it stays that way
BBCPosted at 23:27
Police are now searching for three suspects, a BBC reporter at the scene says.He says there are also reports that some people have been stabbed.
The priority for the police is now to get people - many whom where enjoying a nightout in central London - out of the area.
The police cordon is being moved further and further out, our reporter adds.
That makes it violent crime as a minimum I suppose.
Given the police response I dont think this is 'normal' London violence.
The police cordon is being moved further and further out, our reporter adds.
The BBC live pics are from way down Southwark st so quite a large area cordoned off.
BBC incorrectly saying the street is London Bridge (it's borough high st), also incorrectly saying the van was driving towards the shard when it's obvious to anyone who knows the area it was just past London Grind bar before the steps down to the market which is not on the way.
Hopefully no fatalities and the morning will bring facts not supposition
Incident at Vauxhall according to met twitter
'More than one fatality' (from met police) 🙁
Police confirming more than one fatality at London Bridge 🙁
Terrible. Sadly, psychosocial studies show that highly visible events such as Manchester often spawn similar ones, usually committed by people of similar demography. disillusioned social outcasts with psychotic tendencies and a sense of belonging from finding a group to join.
Being reported as 3 incidents now, being treated as terrorism. My thoughts to all the victims, and to the emergency services running towards
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
Remember folks, nothing to see here....drunk driver, 'just' a normal London knife incident, shots fired etc etc....definitely not terrorism, keep your head in the sand, religion of peace etc etc.
Those of you trying to score political points..
Do you have no shame?
Folks are dead & some maybe dying - all you can think of is your own selfish political agenda.
Nice.
Stay classy.
Looks like only 2 incidents - Vauxhall re-opened.
Can we just stick to relaying information and expressions of sympathy rather than point scoring/name calling...
Mods?
With large numbers of police moved to high profile public events such as the footy in Cardiff and the gig in Manchester, and seeing how successful the incident in London involving an SUV driven across one of the bridges into pedestrians, is [i]anyone[/i] surprised that a similar attack has taken place?
Any terrorist with an ounce of sense will repeat a previously successful attack where the police presence is likely to be at a relatively light level, using a proven process, i.e. using a vehicle as a weapon; simple and very, very effective.
DAESH will claim their soldiers were responsible, and those responsible will probably claim to be fighting against the evil Western kufir, which is again highly predictable.
I see little difference to the IRA planting bombs in concrete rubbish bins a couple of decades ago, only the ideology has changed, and even then not by much; both are groups seeking to impose their ideology on the majority by the use of force, with their religion used as an excuse.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Or as they say in France: Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
FB has activated their safe mode.
I disagree with a lot of the handwringing that goes on here, but Zanelad, you're way off the point on this one. The blood hasn't even congealed yet and you're making statements like that. Bad form sir, bad form.
Roter Stern - Member
Just heard somebody on sky news who claimed they heard rapid gunfire about 10 minutes before the police arrived.
Yes, that is the armed police releasing short burst (mode) with their automatic rifles ...
[url= http://news.sky.com/story/london-bridge-witnesses-tell-of-gunfire-and-stabbings-10903615 ]Sky News:[/url]
"James, 24, told Sky News he saw two armed police crouching behind a black BMW X5 telling pedestrians to "get back" before firing shots.
He said: "Brrr, brrr, brrr, three shots."
Me and the Mrs have just made it home from there after a night out at the Opera and a few pubs, its f'kin chaos and there's a lot of frightened people with kids and family who don't know what's going on, we managed to get to Waterloo and get a tube out, we were lucky unlike some other poor souls..
Let's keep it together folks and not let this get any lower than it's got please, this is one thing we are all in together.
People have lost their lives. Families have lost loved ones. Our thoughts should be with them.
Petty squabblers and those jumping up to point the finger & make over simpllified, uneducated blanket statements, you are seriously ****ed in the head.
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Proving they're better than others cos they're more understanding of world events, or belittling anyone who has a different opinion to them. As if their pov was the only one that counts.
"Is that a mirror I see before me?"
"Hello Mr Kettle, I'm Mr Pot, pleased to meet you"
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Petty squabblers and those jumping up to point the finger & make over simpllified, uneducated blanket statements, you are seriously **** in the head.
I would rather hope this isn't directed at me, I'm old enough to have spent over half of my life threatened by terrorist activity, and to have heavily armed police patrolling the tiny village eight miles away where my dad was born, and where I used to cycle to for a pint or two on a regular basis. It was a daily experience to have a copper wearing a Kevlar vest with an H&K carbine and automatic pistol walk past when sitting outside with a pint of an evening, or coming into the pub.
That's closer to home than practically anyone on here has experience of.
As I say "The more things change, the more they stay the same", and it's with deep sadness that I feel that this is going to be the way of things for a long time to come.
My heart and soul is with anyone who has suffered as a result of recent events, but, regardless of what anyone says, I really don't think they will be the last. 🙁
Growing up there were scares and bombs but I never remember people being so angry they just seemed tired and frustrated. Could have been because I was young or because my family is part Irish that I was not aware of things. I have memories of international events too some extent. Nothing to the extent of countzero
I guess I thought that part of being british meant you were strong enough to cope with all of this stuff but you then just got on and continued without giving into fear or hate.
I guess that this was the naivety of youth but thinking that way has helped me in many situations around the world. There is no need to be foolish but when we give into fear, hate and allow terrorists to divide us we let them win.
I see little difference to the IRA planting bombs in concrete rubbish bins
They gave warnings. A chance to clear out. These latest attacks are very different.
Mark Rowley, assistant commissioner for the Metropolitan police, has confirmed that the vehicle drove from London Bridge to Borough Market, hitting pedestrians on the bridge.There, he said, the suspects left the vehicle and stabbed a number of people, including an offduty police officer, who sustained serious injuries.
Armed response officers confronted three male suspects, who were shot and killed.
Rowley says the three suspects were shot within eight minutes of the first call to emergency services.
Awful news thoughts with victims, famalies and those involved in the incident.
[b]Can we please show some respect to the victims and their families by not point scoring or ranting your political agenda or I will impose breaks.[/b]
Dreadful, as have been all the attacks like this, in Europe or beyond. Thoughts to the families of the dead and injured.
The terrorists, sorry losers were shot dead within eight minutes of starting their attack, and thankfully so or more people could have been killed or injured.
More family's devastated.
Hope all the injured pull through
Excellent shooting skills from the police with the preferable result.
One thing puzzles me... why would they wear [i]fake[/i] bomb vests?
One thing puzzles me... why would they wear fake bomb vests?
Suicide by cop is the only conclusion I can come up with. The police have little option but to take them out in this situation...
In that case, although obviously an end to these sort of attacks is by far the best outcome, if they are to continue I would hope that this costumage becomes mandatory for any similar aspirant to the virgin-stocked paradise.
One thing puzzles me... why would they wear fake bomb vests?
Instill terror and panic in people around them, make life more complicated for the police in any kind of stand-off situation?
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News reports saying 48 injured. Since there are no reports of the losers carrying guns is it reasonable to assume that means up to 48 people stabbed or injured with the van? So they ran through the crowd stabbing people indiscriminately?!
So they ran through the crowd stabbing people indiscriminately?!
So it seems.
Borough Market is a 5 minute walk from London Bridge, it's close but they not exactly next to each other.
London Bridge, like millions of others, is my old route to work, makes it all seem much closer to home when you know the area well.
It's probably lucky that they didn't do it at 8 o'clock on Monday morning, the devastation on London Bridge would of been horrific.
Are all you London STWers safe?
Borough market and London Bridge are a 1 minute walk from each other. They [i]are[/i] right next to each other.
From looking where the van crashed outside the barrow boy, they either went down the main road or down the steps into the back side of the market under the viaduct.
There is so much life around there at that time of night - lots of easy targets sadly. 🙁
No point giving my opinion about what I think about the attack as the masses will object.
But a sad loss to whoever is involved and a bad day for the city and country as a whole.
Macattack - I'd suggest that you do say exactly what you think. I've done that and cut the amount of poorly informed apologetic bs posts that I've had to see everytime I open Facebook.
I guess I might just open the dailymail to read some real news and not left controlled news. But that would be barrell scraping
Another witness Gerard told the BBC: "They were running up shouting, 'This is for Allah.' They stabbed this girl maybe 10 times, 15 times. She was going, 'Help me, help me.'"
Dunno how we are going to solve this problem frankly.
Or just read the same handbook that these guys are reading and get to grips with why they are doing what they are doing. Read about the backgrounds of the imans in places where they 'worshiped' or the structure of the prisons that they did time in. We've allowed this to happen - through being so damn PC that we're calling people racists or islamophobic for even talking about it.
Police response is incredible really. Massively busy city but 8 minutes from first call in to police on the scene, terrorists killed, paramedics working. They clearly have special rules on how to deal with this stuff that involves stopping it dead in it's tracks as fast as they can
Hugely impressed
@davidbelstein: that sounds absolutely nothing to do with relegion at all. Goodness knows where that comment was coming from.
Police response is incredible really. Massively busy city but 8 minutes from first call in to police on the scene, terrorists killed, paramedics working. They clearly have special rules on how to deal with this stuff that involves stopping it dead in it's tracks as fast as they canHugely impressed
Same
through being so damn PC that we're calling people racists or islamophobic for even talking about it.
Not sure anybody has said that....
No, not on this thread - but it's the general response when anyone brings up these points on the BBC etc.
but it's the general response when anyone brings up these points on the BBC etc.
Not sure about that either TBH..
They gave warnings. A chance to clear out. These latest attacks are very different.
I think you might find that some of the big bombs were preceded by a phone warning.
From speaking to an ex colleague who lived over in NI during the worst of it , there were no warnings before someone knocked on your door and shot you. There's probably a lot we didn't get to hear about over here .
On the subject of fake bomb vests , apart from the panic aspect, I imagine it would deter the have a go heroes.
To me it has become clear that we need Frank open discourse about the problems that we're facing and how we as a country can address them. Without fear of having negative labels attached to our arguments. It's not constructive.
So, what do we predict?
Already known to security services, jihadiist links, been reported several times... lessons will be learned, hands will be wrung.
@oldracer. I've noticed a definite bias from the audience response and panel response. It's disappointing.
ninfan - Member - Block User - Quote
So, what do we predict?
For a wee change, lets not bother.
So, what do we predict?Already known to security services, jihadiist links, been reported several times... lessons will be learned, hands will be wrung.
What's your positive response, then?
Internment without trial? The Hopkins option?
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