[Closed] London again, and..

[i]However.. there are now so many cyclists, something might have to be done to organise the buggers better. Shocking discipline at lights and junctions. [/i]

Saw the same when scooters took off about 15 years ago, scary 5h1t.

It is a kind of critical mass though - many drivers seem to be just giving way to the swarm.

something might have to be done to organise the buggers better. Shocking discipline at lights and junctions.

You're not going to suggest something like enforcing the existing rules of the road are you? That sort of thing doesn't go down well......

Next you'll be asking whether they pay road tax.....

many drivers seem to be just giving way to the swarm

They all will if the one at the front is a driverless car that can't decide on a safe way to go.

You're not going to suggest something like enforcing the existing rules of the road are you? That sort of thing doesn't go down well

No 😉 Just a bit of common sense and cooperation. People seem to ride like they walk in rush hour. Head down, avoiding the hard objects, not making eye contact or acknowledging anyone, and going for every gap.

common sense and cooperation

That'll never catch on!

Using critical mass to bully one type of road user is not going to work. However, the alternative is for people to know the rules of the road and abide by them - that's unlikely to work either. So - as you were.

That reminds me, whatever happened to that Critical Mass sock puppet stooge who was on here a while ago? (Am still of the opinion it was a deservedly banned former member, though).

Well I'm happy that there are more bikes on the streets of London, makes a whole of sense. Who cares if they can't ride properly like you?
Come down more and get used to it like a lot of us already have ..

It the British way. Tirany of the majority!

It's a bit of a shock leaving London when you realize that everywhere else its so much less common

Another point is that cycling has exploded in spite of some shockingly bad infrastructure, which definitely cintributes to all the red light jumping etc

Yeah, what we need is some yokel from somewhere there isn't much cycling to come and tell us how it ought to in the big city where there is a lot of cycling and it works!

I think it's largely positive tbh. Lately I've had various vehicles including bus',skip drivers and even the odd black cab!! give me a wide berth.....I always give them a friendly wave thanks...
There's still plenty of folk who want to kill both me and themselves but you all know that anyway.
I only run red lights at 5 in the morning 😉

Yeah, what we need is some yokel from somewhere there isn't much cycling to come and tell us how it ought to in the big city where there is a lot of cycling and it works!

*Applauds! And waits for the ensuing mollystrom of rage!*

It the British way. Tirany of the majority!

Innit

Well - it's within the rules of the road to filter up the stopped queue and fill up the ASL. But when there's 20 cyclists all trying to do it it becomes a bit nuts. People who arrived first are in the middle of the lane, maybe turning right, then people filter up the left and want to go straight on, some other right turners filter on the left, and then the left hand gap is now blocked so people are filtering up the right but they want to go straight on or even left... I made a point of telling people to my right that I'm planning to turn right, but I never heard anyone else say anything or signal.

The Wellington arch is bonkers too. If you don't know it, there's a huge cycling thoroughfare going through Hyde park from Paddington, probably most people going to the City down past Buck Pal. But there's a huge island roundabout thing with lots of lanes which is not nice to ride around so the cycle path goes across the middle. You wait at lights, cross onto the island with a big wide path, then there's a triumphal arch in the middle which is angled to the right so you can't see through it, and it's really not very wide. When coming from Hyde Park the locals know that if you pin it when the first lights go green you can just about make the lights to cross the four lanes of traffic on the other side. But there's cyclists queueing there to cross those lights too. All the cyclists meet in the middle at this choke point where the arch is, half of whom are sprinting hard.

And that's another thing - the same way that peds are always rushing, the cyclists are always going as fast as they can, and it seems like as time goes on they get fitter. So you've got people rocketing around the place in the red mist of commuter racing.... it's a wild ride!

Try Amsterdam. Those guys really know how to ride like they are immortal.

No, stoppit, everything's absoutely perfect in Amsterdam. STW told me so.