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Just got back in after catching up with an old mate for a couple of coffees as he's had a hard time of it recently, and wanted to invite him round for Christmas lunch, if he was going to be on his own. Anyhow, our local tiny co-op has recently (about 2 or 3 months ago ) put directional 'in'/ 'out, 'entry'/'no entry' and directional paint on the floor. Just blue signage, like you'd get in a petrol station. I always obey it, mainly because I'm coming from my house, which is closer to the entry anyway. Honest truth.
As I'm coming from the opposite way to normal I'd turned into the side road which leads to the exit and then realised its now directional. No traffic on either the main road, side road or moving in the little car park. So I slow down to crawling speed, nip in and park up. As I'm walking into the shop, I hear an aggressive 'oi, excuse me, oi' and turn to see a short aggressive, box bearded officer striding up to me. He proceeds to tell me I've broken the law, going into a no entry. I apologise and explain my rationale and that as far as I was concerned, I hadn't broken the law. He's right up in my face, then asks if I've been drinking. Fair enough at this time of year. After politely saying I hadn't, apologising again and as far as I was concerned I hadn't broken the RTA, as it's just the co-op's way of controlling the flow of traffic, he says 'if it ain't the law, I'll make it the law' and then starts saying I was driving without due care and attention and that I hadn't indicated! I asked who I would have been indicating to, as there were no pedestrians/cyclists or cars anywhere! He agrees I crawled round and was driving slowly, but insists he's booking me for driving with undue care and attention. Que slight change of approach from me - i stop politely putting my side of it across and commence 5 minutes of grovelling/agreeing with angry man and he finally let's me off to go and get some milk!
He needs to be in the shop at 3pm, when the 12 year old school kids are smoking outside, shop lifting and being abusive to the old dears getting their bits and bobs. Nearly said that, but thought I may end up in the cells tonight!!
Thought he was out of order being so aggressive and bringing other charges into it, when he realised I may have a point. I have utmost respect for the police, but some let themselves and the rest down at times IMO.
even police have bad days....
PC or PCSO?
PC accompanied by younger female PCSO, which could have been the problem?
So you ignored the no entry sign in front of a uniformed police officer. This suggests you didn't look properly. He should have reported you and been done with it, as you clearly feel you did nothing wrong and resent his verbal warning.
TBH mate you admit you went in the wrong way I'm not sure youve got much of a leg to stand-on.
Take it on the chin.
is there an official high way code traffic sign or is it just a made up one.
So timidwheeler, I assume you never go the wrong way round Sainsburys?
It's like my neighbour who drove up the street to her house on her mobile phone I said in a jokey fashion naughty naughty she replied it only on our close, another case of being selective on how the law applies to them. Shame snouty copper was not about or my next door neighbour who is a high ranking police officer. Doubt she would feel the same if I was on my phone and ran over her two year old daughter.
Po Po be hating batman cos he drive a lambo
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Seen on side of Sainsburys earlier today
Did you get his collar number? Write to his inspector if it's bothering you that much.
So timidwheeler, I assume you never go the wrong way round Sainsburys?
I do. Start at the dog food, and work my way backwards.
I admitted, apologised and explained the directional signs/paint had only recently been put down by the co-op. fair cop, but I didn't expect a uniformed officer to infer that he was going to find something to do me for regardless, unless I kissed his ass.
I LOL'ed at crashtestmonkey 😀
Jamie - amusing as ever 😀
I predict great things for this thread - but then I'm in a good mood having been informed 2 hours ago that I've been promoted to Sgt. Happy days.
and turn to see a short aggressive, box bearded officer striding up to me.
Hmm, shortist and beardist.
I'd have been happy if you 'fell down the station steps' a few times. Here's hoping for next time, eh? 🙂
Beardist? Never. I'm sporting one at the moment actually 😮
Congratulations on the promotion deluded!
Sooooo, you admit to being shortist then!
To the dungeons with him.
Bet you've got an unlicenced airgun too.........
Rusty, you sound like him, trying to pin something on me 😛 I'm only 5'9" myself, and the shortist of my mates - to their amusement a lot of the time!
Congratulations on the promotion deluded!
I heard all he needed to get the nod was one more act of proactive policing.
Apparently, this was achieved at a tiny co-op.
He also has a cracking beard, bit boxy mind, and doesn't let his Napoleonic stature get to him.
.................and doesn't let his Napoleonic statue get to him.
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Like this?
Ooooh, quick edit, eh?
As far as i understand criminal law it is not an offence to wilfully ignore directional signs in a supermarket car park just as it not a criminal offence to park in a supermarket mother and child parking bay and also not an offence to park in a supermarket or any privately owned car park disabled parking bay but i think you may still be open to prosecution for driving without due care and attention - this applies to any land that members of the public have free access to whether that be private such as a supermarket car park/private estate land with rights of way across it or such like.
He probably didn't know that you were special, and the rules which apply to everyone else don't apply to you. Silly copper!!
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I am boxy and at 5'9" could be termed short but avoid beards due to comparisons with Henry VIII and Michael Evis.
I resent the idea that I'd been seen at the Co-Op (unless it was picking up a shoplifter).
Ooooh, quick edit, eh?
I don't know what you're talking about, officer.
I don't have a halo, like some Zilog 🙄
Edit - and if it had have been a sign I was legally obliged to comply with, I would have 3 point turned, done 3 sides of a square and gone in the correct way!
I've been promoted to Sgt. Happy days
WOW Sgt Happy Days that sounds VERY important - school liaison perhaps 😉
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Well, seeing as you apologised nicely, don't do it again and we'll say no more about it, eh?
sure you do, as you go to great pains to point out with your opening sentenceI don't have a halo, like some Zilog
Just think, it could've been far worse - imagine a stw'r being successfully prosecuted for driving the wrong way round an aldi or lidl car park....oh the shame...the shame indeed, you'd never be able to show your face again at the "i love waitrose" secret meetings.
Actually come to think of it i'd rather shop at aldi or lidl than give any of my cash to Terry Leahy, the **** that owns tesco....or walmart/asda....arghhhhh i can feel the unsubstantiated rage building........
Here's something that was said earlier......
Tesco CEO Sir Terry Leahy has announced that, after completing the acquisition of the Co-Op and the Happy Garden Chinese takeaway in Bromsgrove, it now owns every-****in’-thing in the whole ****in’ country.
‘A few years ago, when it emerged that £1 out of every £8 spent on groceries in the UK was in Tesco, I said that left £7 to go for and the bankers just ****in’ smirked,’ said Leahy. ‘So I thought ”Right, you ****ers’ and decided not just to take over the entire ****in’ food chain but every other ****in’ thing as well’.
After a busy six months buying Homebase, Boot’s, Asda, the Blue Cross charity shop and funkypigeon.com, Tesco had to dig deep to buy Sainsbury’s too. This was, admitted Leahy ‘****in’ expensive’ but was achieved with an interest-free loan off Tesco Bank that was guaranteed by Tesco’s Insurance. ‘Then the Monopolies Commission started sniffing round, so we said ‘**** that for a game of soldiers’ and bought them too.’
Leahy also dismissed as ‘unsubstantiated’ rumours that he has yet to acquire a border terrier in Herefordshire called Monty who was recently seen cocking his leg on a discarded Tesco trolley. He also revealed that the traditional view that Tesco is using its immense buying power to reduce prices and drive customer loyalty is actually ‘bollocks’.
”Buying power? We don’t have to buy ANY-****in’-thing because we own EVERY-****in’-thing,’ he said. ‘Want to demonstrate about it? That’s fine with us, we own all three placard makers in Britain. Or e-mail your complaints to your MP? Tough titty, we own Hewlett Packard, Dell and BT too. And your MP. Actually, we’ve always owned the ****in’ MP….’
Well, seeing as you apologised nicely, don't do it again and we'll say no more about it, eh?
As soon as you stop smashing me in the face with your baton, i'll be off.
*ooof*
Edit: I think Somafunk has opened the 'special chocolate'
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I predict great things for this thread - but then I'm in a good mood having been informed 2 hours ago that I've been promoted to Sgt. Happy days.
congratulations, no small achievement at any time, more so now with "austerity" limiting opportunities and increasing competition.
Just avoid custody like the plague 🙄
To the OP, if your transcript is accurate he does sound like a bit of an asshat. Every organisation has them, everybody has bad days, problem is when its da babylon it has a greater impact on other people.
Well, better 2 coffees than a pint though eh? Apologies for starting the thread with something which is playing on my mind. Won't do it again (STW epauletted) Officer.
Sounds a bit like said copper was being a bit OTT about it, but by the letter of the law he was bang on.
Maybe it is his way of making sure you remember it and don't do it again?
I hope sense prevails - you don't do it again, he nicks some of the oiks who shoplift.
Perhaps the O/P should have said quite loudly, PERHAPS YOU WOULD BE BETTER SPENDING YOUR TIME CATCHING REAL CRIMINALS,
That usually gets a reaction, for some reason
I once knew a bloke who drove up a narrow street, parked, and went to someone's house - possibly his own, not sure. Whilst he was in the house for a short period of time, the council had erected one-way street signs. He drove out his normal way which was now the wrong way and got a ticket. Now that's harsh!
Now that's harsh!
...but amusing.
I hate coppers.
Never do as they tell you. Always question why. And always film the outcome!
Bloody idiots.
Good on you I say - we need a bit of mild anarchy occassionally.
Sound's like the beardy tosser had short man syndrome and was trying to impress his PCSO. Should have told him to do one.
Private land signs mean nothing at all. It's certainly not a criminal offence.
I struggle with long sentences
Co-Op carpark, private property.
It's a civil matter not criminal. Plods being a nob. They must be human too.
Um, what samuri said
NWA.
**** the police.
Cant be bothered to post a link from my phone 😀
I know that this will be a difficult thi g to grasp before researching and from my experience I have been caught out by engaging in communication by entering as they see it a conversation. Now this is the tricky bit to get your head around,,,
You need 't had responded to him especially since having replied to his oi you gesture and statements.
I got caught out recently by an assuming PC who tried to get me to respond to her assumptions to suit the answer she was desperately looking for, for a quick arrest but actually turned into me entering a conversation by saying after asked once, my name.
In the future however if I am not caught of guard for something I am unaware of then I will not utter my name even a hello to any questions or gestures to an officer.
Idpcc are your main point of call if you deem the complaint of incompetent policing as they are working to aid the majority of public. But as we know for long time, they are the servants of the revenue collection service for central govt.
Shame on them.
If there's one thing to remember, that it is almost 100% always best not to say a damn word when posed with a question directly by a PC.
Good day to you!
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"It's private land, jog on."
cop just sounds like a bit of a tool to me. Get 'em in all walks of life. Ho hum!
side road which leads to the exit
Is this on a public highway or does it form part of the car park?
Please provide a Google Map link.
Lets clarify the position on this before all the usual doughnuts rock up giving it the large on the law.
As I said, the paint has been down 2 months, if that.
The side road is a public road, from which you turn off into the car park. Simples.
I'm not interested in paint drying.
Is it a sign on a public highway that you have contravened in accordance with s.36 of the RTA 1988?
"sorry officer, they must've changed the markings on the carpark since I was here."
"I see. honest mistake. Don't do it again"
conversation over. Guess you had to be there eh?!
Edit: aye, stick a google streetview link up. I'd be interested in this one as I sometimes work in a supermarket carpark.
As far as I'm concerned it's directional signage 'exit/no entry' placed by the store
or owners of the car park. From what I understand, it was requested as all the parents would park there at school kicking out time and havoc ensued with reversing 4x4s going in both directions through a car park which can hold 20-25 cars tops.
The sign isn't one in the highway code, if that helps.
Off to bed. Had too many lectures today!
What is your problem?
1) That there was NO breach of the RTA 88??
2) That the officer was officious?
3) Both?
Is the Co-Op incidental to this story? Did you enter a ROAD that is no entry?
Google Map image please ... or it didn't happen 😀
Onceinalifetime = amanfrommars? Style seems similar. Thank you please.
Cop was a tool. Doing trafficky stuff FFS 🙄
Bizzies Bizzyin'!
What does one expect at this time of year when there are immigrants stealing dogs from our childrens' faces and not talking English. Haven't they anything better to do. Flippin' Polis.
Can someone tell me what language Onceinalifetime is speaking? It vaguely resembles English, but I can't understand it.
Onceinalifetime.....be careful with the stance of ignoring a copper who is asking you questions, they can make life very difficult for you if you want to act the clever dick.
I saw a lad try this exact thing, in the end he was arrested and taken to the station so they could verify his identification.....remember kids you can be arrested simply on suspicion of an offence and a wily old copper will usually succeed in inconveniencing you far more than the other way round.
From your original post it appears you failed the attitude test, rather than a cheery "sorry officer I had no idea" and defusing the situation you tried to argue your point (rightly or wrongly) and this almost always ends badly.
I've got away with all sorts of stuff involving the Police (nothing serious admittedly) by simply being courteous.
The "private property" defence is nonsense I'm afraid, may be private property but its one where the public are allowed access so most of the road traffic act applies.
Isn't STW forum great, so any experts! 😉 😆
Onceinalifetime does your name refer to the frequency with which you post good advice?
Refuse to speak to a copper who may have reasonable suspicion of an offence and you can look forward to wasting several hours at the local station.
Copper does sound like a tool in this case but we have but one side of the story........
Just like money doesn't buy taste having a love for mountain biking doesn't exclude total knobs from the past time.
Here's something that was said earlier......
Must have been quite a bit earlier, given Terry Leahy retired from Tesco over 18 months ago.
Should have reminded him that you pay his wages. He'd have seen sense after that I'm sure. 👿
andymc lol completely incorrect judgement as you do not know at the time of the PC trying to Q me and accuse me when her colleague was not present for a few mins prior to her joining in to watch over the questioning.
Maybe that's because you were not physically located where I was at the time! Simples!
What I said is correct. Your advice is nonsense. I don't need to have been there to comment on your advice.
You are indeed simple.
piemonster - MemberI struggle with long sentences
Co-Op carpark, private property.
It's a civil matter not criminal. Plods being a nob. They must be human too.
RTA applies in public car parks, private property not relevant.
Policeman sounds like a knob though. But legality or not, driving against the directed flow of traffic just isn't a great idea.
"...if it ain't the law, I'll make it the law."
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