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The floodgates are opening on Truss's incompetence
https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/1586436208669884416?t=xxkg3rtB5Pm3dh_PfmFUfQ&s=19
kimbers - arf, arf.
I like the way the BBC phrase it
Clearly no secret is it?
“One of the big struggles that we did have in trade was so many people outside London just don’t understand what trade is.”
When the problem is that people working in a particular part of London don’t understand, or simply don’t care, what trade is. Visit any area of the UK and you will find plenty of businesses led by people screaming about what this government is doing to our trading position and processes. Populism before trade.
How on earth was the Foreign Secretary using her personal phone for government business 😳
How widespread is that by ministers?
Using personal phone for government business?
Ignorance, arrogance or a combination.
Probably a widespread practice by ministers.
That pic from down under is begging for a cold war Steve remix.
In my old job, using a personal device for company business was likely to result in dismissal if it involved sensitive, restricted or higher documents. This was because of Government policy and even more punitive if it involved US Government stuff.
The fact that serving ministers are prepared to circumvent national security measures for their own political gain - particularly as it’s likely to have been Russian/Chinese/North Korean state actors and possibly has undermined efforts to support Ukraine says it all. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
In my old job, using a personal device for company business was likely to result in dismissal
I'm a civil servant, and I'm bound by similar rules. The fact that ministers seem not to be.....
What umbrella for....
Using personal phone for government business?
Ignorance, arrogance or a combination.
Probably a widespread practice by ministers.
I've always assumed it's done to avoid scrutiny and leaving an audit trail - see shady PPE deals where the phone involved has turned out to have mysteriously vanished or broken when an investigation appeared in the offing. Although I suppose that's covered by arrogance...
johnnners - yes, that's an example of what I meant by arrogance.
I’ve always assumed it’s done to avoid scrutiny and leaving an audit trail
Depends what the communication medium is. Using your personal phone to send emails via Gmail for example will result in that email being indexed and information on its contents being held on Google's servers, etc.
Using personal phone for government business?
Isn't all government business nowadays conducted via WhatsApp? The journalists at the BBC were only half-jokingly saying that Westminster must have ground to a halt the other day when WhatsApp went down for the morning.
This lot seem to leave no official trace whatsoever. I suspect that the only people who have any record of anything they do, particularly 'Instagram Liz' is Mark Zuckerberg
Using your personal phone to send emails via Gmail for example will result in that email being indexed and information on its contents being held on Google’s servers, etc.
Well, yes. I suppose I should have been more specific that using personal rather than official communications avoids democratic scrutiny and a publicly accessible audit trail.
I suspect that the only people who have any record of anything they do, particularly ‘Instagram Liz’ is Putin
FTFY
Hmmmm...
@KimDotcom
·
4h
'How do the Russians know that the UK blew up the North Stream pipelines in partnership with the US?
Because
@trussliz
used her iPhone to send a message to
@SecBlinken
saying “It’s done” a minute after the pipeline blew up and before anybody else knew?
iCloud admin access rocks!'
Who knows? Maybe she was in cheating a pub quiz when Macbeth came up.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/30/liz-truss-rider-out-of-the-blue-book
Some info in the new book detailing her demands while she was [s]negotiating trade deals[/s] poncing around the world instagramming herself.
That kimdotocom thing is surely conspiracy nonsense
That Truss's phone was hacked was known before her leadership campaign, months before the pipeline was blown
Truss’s favourite espresso machine was moved from department to department every time she changed jobs in cabinet reshuffles, the book claims.
To be fair, we've all been there.
Although I do think the Aeropress is a game changer.
It's absolutely bonkers that any government business is allowed to be conducted via apps like WhatsApp where there's no real audit trail.
I'm also curious about exactly what info was sent via personal email, whilst I agree no government business should be anyway if off-sen or secret info was exchanged then it's just crazy. On my client's (government agency) work email system I can't send any email without classifying it (official can go to Internet email addresses, off-sen can only go internal or to specific other trusted government email addresses and secret cannot go externally), so either they're creating above official documents on private computers and sending it out over private email or they're deliberately mis-classifying work emails to send it to personal emails to work on it on private computer and send it out via private email - if they're doing the latter that should be instant dismissal and prosecution under the OSA...
It’s absolutely bonkers that any government business is allowed to be conducted via apps like WhatsApp where there’s no real audit trail.
Its absolutely the point that its conducted on WhatsApp - because of the presence of an audit trail via other channels.
Although we say theres no audit trail with WhatsApp - doesnt DomCum posting screen grabs of government WhatsApp conversations on his blog count as transparency?
The problems for ministers sidestepping official channels for 'privacy' is everything is at risk of becoming public when someone in the conversation thinks it suits their own aims - and ally can become and adversary at any moment - and they of course can be selective.
The problem is not their desire for privacy, it's their desire to avoid accountability. Sadly, as public servants and those ultimately for directing policy of the country, the requirements for accountability is ultimate. If they want to avoid that, then something is seriously wrong.
Although we say theres no audit trail with WhatsApp – doesnt DomCum posting screen grabs of government WhatsApp conversations on his blog count as transparency?
Not really, no. That counts as some arsehole trying to get revenge on other arseholes.
Amusing but not really transparent since it only brings into light what he wants.
The problems for ministers sidestepping official channels for ‘privacy’ is everything is at risk of becoming public when someone in the conversation thinks it suits their own aims
Thats also true of official channels as well. A few screenshots and a useful idiot in the media to leak it and job done.
The details of Braverman's breach of the ministerial code are reasonably interesting but not particularly damning:
Seems to imply the documents would only be classified official although it's a bit of a grey area if it should have been official-sensitive as that would have more implications given off-sen should never be on private IT equipment and she & her SPAD would have known that and therefore deliberately circumvented syops rather than it being 'an honest mistake'.
The justification for the other 6 docs that went to private IT (that when using Teams on her government phone for government meetings she also needs to read docs being discussed so she sent them to her private email so she could read them on her phone) is pretty weak but bit odd some in that senior a role doesn't have a better solution
The justification for the other 6 docs that went to private IT (that when using Teams on her government phone for government meetings she also needs to read docs being discussed so she sent them to her private email so she could read them on her phone) is pretty weak but bit odd some in that senior a role doesn’t have a better solution
Sounds bollox to me - is she trying to make out she doesn't get supplied a Govt mobile/iPad/laptop etc etc?
Does Braverman need her own thread...? Came here to make a comment about a completely different issue that suggests to me that she's entirely unsuitable for the role she's been reappointed to... and then read all this.
[ EDIT : oh, bugger, Braverman's mess has given the BBC a chance to get Farage back on my radio --- click ]
Does Braverman need her own thread…?
I think we are all hoping she will get the sack, again, soon and so not be worth a dedicated thread.
I am wondering if the reported 90 minute shouting match with Cruella and Truss was because Cruella knew about Truss phone incident and here was Truss sacking her for a lesser infringement, remember the scathing attack on Truss everyone assumed it was regards the economy (might have been about Tuss phone)
she also needs to read docs being discussed so she sent them to her private email so she could read them on her phone) is pretty weak but bit odd some in that senior a role doesn’t have a better solution
Must be a problem faced by hundreds of ministers and junior ministers every week - is this a standard practise, that everyone's doing? How do they get round it? And how come she only needed to do it 6x in a month? No other docs needed review while on a call while in transit? Or actually another solution?
If it looks like bullshit, smells like bullshits, chances are......
I am wondering if the reported 90 minute shouting match with Cruella and Truss was because Cruella knew about Truss phone incident and here was Truss sacking her for a lesser infringement, remember the scathing attack on Truss everyone assumed it was regards the economy (might have been about Tuss phone)
Hmm, wonder...
A dedicated STW thread seems to mean the chop for Tory politicians, no brainer
falkirk-mike
I am wondering if the reported 90 minute shouting match with Cruella and Truss was because Cruella knew about Truss phone incident and here was Truss sacking her for a lesser infringement, remember the scathing attack on Truss everyone assumed it was regards the economy (might have been about Tuss phone)
We're thinking way too deeply...
Rules are not for cabinet ministers to follow... they are for normal people and civil servants, most certainly NOT from PM's.
Must be a problem faced by hundreds of ministers and junior ministers every week – is this a standard practise, that everyone’s doing? How do they get round it? And how come she only needed to do it 6x in a month? No other docs needed review while on a call while in transit? Or actually another solution?
Remember when JRM's hateful sister Annunziata(?) somehow got herself elected as an MEP and on getting to Brussels she was given an iPad and a phone and various other accoutrements of being an MEP...
She posted on Twitter to say what a waste of resources etc cos she already had all this stuff and people absolutely ripped into her explaining that it was there for her to DO HER JOB as a ****ing MEP, be able to access classified documents, conduct MEP business in a secure manner etc...
Maybe she was only there for the gravy train aspect and didn't think she'd have to do any work... Bet the EU were glad to see the back of the UK after we sent them morons like Farage, Widdecombe and ARM. 🙄
Cruella is due to make a statement to Parliament at 3.30 regarding the weekend
Watching Yvette Cooper monster Priti Patel was always an amusing spectator sport. She should have some fun with Braverman this afternoon. There seems to be more coming out by the hour
Will she bother turning up? She has a habit of deciding not to since answering to the house is less fun than torturing kittens or puppies or whatever she does to amuse herself.
I wonder if all this briefing against Braverman is so they can get rid of her and the more extreme policies.
She needs to be in post just long enough that Rishi et.al. can appear to have created a cabinet drawn from across the party, and absorb all the 'hostile environment' policies as her own. Then get rid of her and install someone who'll generate less hate in an election campaign?
crazy-legs
Remember when JRM’s hateful sister Annunziata(?) somehow got herself elected as an MEP and on getting to Brussels she was given an iPad and a phone and various other accoutrements of being an MEP…
She posted on Twitter to say what a waste of resources etc cos she already had all this stuff and people absolutely ripped into her explaining that it was there for her to DO HER JOB as a **** MEP, be able to access classified documents, conduct MEP business in a secure manner etc…
Maybe she was only there for the gravy train aspect and didn’t think she’d have to do any work… Bet the EU were glad to see the back of the UK after we sent them morons like Farage, Widdecombe and ARM.
Remember no, surprised no....
MEP's aside ... when you watch Parliament TV and how these supposed adults act I'm sure most of them think they are on some sort of RealityTV show just trying to entertain and not get sent home.
when you watch Parliament TV and how these supposed adults act I’m sure most of them think they are on some sort of RealityTV show just trying to entertain and not get sent home.
Im sure they know which devices they can browse their tractor porn on
Im pretty sure Cummings admitted that it was common practice recently (using non-secure email/phones for gov business), which is ironic when hes always using is next level brain powers to warns us about the dangers of cyber wrafare etc
And another of Truss's appointees - JRM's ex business partner Dominic Johnson gets the push too.
But here is the best bit - he was made a Lord to carry out the role as a government minister but he doesn't have to give that back!!!
By some strange coincidence 'Lord' Johnson was vice chairman of the tory party from '16 - '19 and has donated £250 000 to the scummy bastards since 2014.
Good news. Well, apart from what he gets out of doing nothing that is.
The figure of Truss is clutching a cardboard box containing a goodbye card, a copy of Guinness World Records in reference to her record as the shortest-serving prime minister, a copy of her mini-budget, a “make Britain great again” red cap, a T-shirt with the slogan “I am a fighter, not a quitter” and a cheque for £115,000 in reference to the perpetual funding provided to ex-prime ministers.
The box itself has a big upside down U with the words “this way up” the wrong way up and “Oh Dear Oh Dear Oh Dear Packaging Ltd” – a reference to King Charles’ words to Truss when she arrived to meet him.
Edenbridge seems a strange venue for the public mocking of a former Tory Prime Minister - it couldn't be more Tory heartland.
Edenbridge is in a parliamentary constituency which in the last general election the Tories received 63% of the vote.
^^ Blinding work done on that arsehole.👍
The cats I mean.
incorruptible honesty.
Apart from the fact that he was shagging someone else's missus whilst he was Prime Minister and preaching Tory "traditional family values" to everyone else in his Back to Basics campaign.
And not forgetting that he sat on his fat arse and did sweet **** all when the shit hit the fan and over a third of a million people lost their homes, and countless more became prisoners of negative equity, due to failed Tory policies.
Choosing instead to blame the victims themselves for the unprecedented and historical housing crises caused by his and Thatcher's policies:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/major-caught-in-storm-over-homeowners-1584576.html
FFS ernie - major's premiership ended in 1997 and he stood down an MP in 2001; that's 21 years ago.
No-one - other than you, apparently - gives a flying one about major.
The thread is about truss - and she is also history.
Time to move on.
And not forgetting that he sat on his fat arse and did sweet **** all when the shit hit the fan and over a third of a million people lost their homes, and countless more became prisoners of negative equity, due to failed Tory policies.
I think you're missing that it was a joke - Major was not a great PM, but he looks like an utter superstar compared to the recent bunch.
No-one – other than you, apparently – gives a flying one about major.
The thread is about truss – and she is also history.
Time to move on.
It wasn't Ernie who brought Major into the conversation.
FFS ernie – major’s premiership ended in 1997 and he stood down an MP in 2001; that’s 21 years ago.
No-one – other than you, apparently – gives a flying one about major.
The thread is about truss – and she is also history.
Time to move on.
Thanks for the tip Frank but I didn't bring up John Major - having trouble following the thread?
And if Truss is history why are you clicking on this thread? Just to police it?
I think you’re missing that it was a joke
Well I certainly thought "incorruptible honesty" in the context of him shagging someone else's missus while preaching traditional Tory family values to the nation was hilarious, does that count?
Well I certainly thought “incorruptible honesty” in the context of him shagging someone else’s missus while preaching traditional Tory family values to the nation was hilarious, does that count?
That would be a major clue.
Choosing instead to blame the victims themselves for the unprecedented and historical housing crises caused by his and Thatcher’s policies:
Funny that as that is exactly what I've seen on Twitter from the Tory bots & shills in regard to the current interest rate rises and folk not been able to afford their mortgages.
Same PlayBook.
Politicians don’t leave it long before trying to re-write history, do they?
Mind you…. If a political career can be resurrected in just 6 days, why hold back
https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1590828306793758720?s=46&t=X1T8PINNsvUnm9fD5Lae4A
"It wasnt me, sir, honest it wasnt. It was that truss girl from 5c, sir." Says the former holder of the second highest office in the land. What a snivelling rat.
To be fair Liz Truss blamed Kwarteng for implementing the tax policies which she herself championed during her leadership campaign. She was widely condemned for doing so.
Callous self-serving ambitious Tory politicians stabbing each other in the back in a desperate and futile attempt to hang on to some credibility shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
These people aim for high office because they want to boost their egos, not endure public humiliation. They have no loyalty to anyone other than themselves, not even to their own party.
Wot Ernie says
jesus christ the blind conceit piled on dunning kruger narcissism You didn't do anything remotely well!
the BBC photo sums her up
Lol at that picture. Yeah, the sign says it all.
That said, what world is she living in? Yet she'll likely still hold onto her seat.
I don't know who's worse, her, out the folks that will vote for her?
Not 100% convinced that the members would reject her, given the opportunity…
https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1672909139532472322?s=21
…not a clue.
Link doesn't work
They’ve deleted the tweet. It was in regards to a Times article about Tory MPs looking to bring back Truss… can’t find it though (paywalled anyway).
I love the fact that Truss is still massively pissed off about her comparison to the lettuce which outlasted her, calling it ‘puerile’. They obviously really got under her skin with it
As for bringing her back, they’re actually mental enough to do it, aren’t they?
https://twitter.com/annettedittert/status/1672933316419305473?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
they both have the all charisma of a fresh turd, so the thinking is the white turd will have more appeal to their racist base?
Its floundering around out of touch. No one with any sense wants to be tory leader right now. Truss has also carefully cultivated her nanny / maggie image which is something too many tories like
Hmm, I didnt think that Rishi was doing too bad a job, well, compared to Truss and Johnson anyway. Clearly none of them have a clue, and are just stumbling along, but he seems a decent enough PM, but the whole Party are dead men walking with little in the way of actually running the country, they just seem to be leaving things as they are, and hoping things get a little better without their interfering. Truss and Johnson were constantly interfering with things, and it usually turned to shite when they looked at things.
I suppose Sunak doing very little is marginally better. He is really weak and out of touch tho and his latest piece of stupidity is he might not honour various pay award bodies recommendations for public sector pay rises.
I don’t think there’s any ‘might’ about it.
Its pretty obvious that if the independent pay review boards come back with pay rises that Rishi and Co don’t like, which looks likely, they’ll just ignore them
So he’s demonstrating a Johnson-esque contempt for democracy and showing he’s just as willing to ride roughshod over institutions
I’m pretty sure the party membership, given half a chance, would have Mad Lizzie back in heartbeat to fulfil their Poundshop Thatcher fantasies though
Isn't part of the reason for the high interest rates we now have the very polices that the mad lettuce enacted in her bonkers headlong rush to prosperity?
And in fact, exactly what Rishi Sunak predicted would happen during the leadership campaign when he lost out to her.
he might not honour various pay award bodies recommendations for public sector pay rises.
Are these the independent pay bodies whose remit includes making sure the proposed award meets government economic targets?
High interest rates is due to high inflation which in part is due to the lack of fresh lettuce.
This’ll be someone in Tufton Street flying a kite via the Times to gauge reaction to Lettuce-Lizzie
I think the thing that grinds Thick Lizzie's gears more than anything right now is the relatively effortless success of Penny Mordaunt.
Mordaunt is doing the Iron Lady thing a billion times better than Truss ever could. And doing it with better hair, better dress sense and better 'parliamentary majorities'. 😉
Truss is basically an insecure little girl trapped in a woman's body - who has maneuvered herself to prominence through a dysfunctional political party and now we're all paying the price. You can just see it in all her interactions with audiences, she oozes insecurity and the need to be popular.
And before anyone goes down the route of saying this image stuff is misogynistic, remember it was Truss who was fuming when Sturgeon put her in her place when she said she had already been in Vogue. She's superficial, but thinks she is a visionary. She is, in fact, deluded.
She’s madder than a bucket of spiders!
Absolutely hatstand!
Is she still an MP? Crikey.
She still seems to think she’s Foreign Secretary
Mind you, the actual Foreign Secretary doesn’t appear to not know what day it is
Thank whoever she isn't...