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So ernie. Specifically what did johnson get right during the critical part of the pandemic?
Lockdown. Too late this meant it had to go on longer and many folk died
Test and trace. Spent billions on a useless set up ignoring existing expertise in local councils for ideological reasons
Furlough support. Massivly skewed towards the well off. So poorly done it was an open invitation to fraud.
Closing borders. Too late and reopened too early
Eat out to help out. Massive transmission risk
Large public gathereings. Allowed to go on far too long
Thats pretty much all the major decisions and everyone he got wrong
Don't forget, as we were reminded in the news every 25 seconds - those were 'UNPRECEDENTED TIMES'. They kind of had to roll with the punches and make it up as they went along. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. The furlough scheme saved my bacon and I'm not well off. I'm getting the vibe that you don't like the tories or something..? If they'd locked down too early you'd be ranting about authoritarianism. Closed borders? Massive massive racists! Test & Trace and Eat Out To Help Out I agree with you.
Furlough support. Massivly skewed towards the well off. So poorly done it was an open invitation to fraud.
I don't like the tories and can't stand BJ.
However, how was furlough massively skewed towards the well off?
The absolutely biblical rain greeting Lizzie in Downing Street seems to have lent an appropriate Book of Revelations air to proceedings
Watching it live?
However, how was furlough massively skewed towards the well off?
Yeah I was wondering that. Everyone I know who benefitted from it worked in pubs, factories, hotels, garages etc. People like myself in mid-senior office roles were all working from home on normal pay.
If they’d locked down too early you’d be ranting about authoritarianism. Closed borders? Massive massive racists!
Not me, I'll happily give credit where it's due.
Watching it live?
Just flicked it on. So far it’s all very OJ Simpson slow police chase, only wetter
pork-markets is oscar mike people, feet dry in 30 seconds.
(I reckon that her security detail code name)
Not me, I’ll happily give credit where it’s due.
Nor me... in fact, you don't need hindsight... you can either flip to the Covid thread to see posters here calling for earlier action for both the main "lock downs"... or check Hansard to see Labour doing so from the front and back benches. Johnson followed, and followed slow, late, and haphazardly. There was a cost for that. Same goes for the financial help, which was late and conditional, causing many people to lose their incomes... including many I know who are still piecing things back together as this new crisis hits them.
So - first speech as PM and she kicks off with a lie. Great start.
She is going to build hospitals. Of course she will. Just like Boris did.
"deliver"
‘Aspiration Nation’
Catchy
Strange speech, she seemed to admit that the country is in a real mess on many fronts.
I am glad I don't work in the NHS because a big pile of shit is heading that way
Good speech, I'm going to get my own doctor and pay no tax.
Regardless, it’s done. Most people have moved on.
... except you, who were the one who brought it up in this thread in the first place.
Just flicked it on. So far it’s all very OJ Simpson slow police chase, only wetter
But when her car stopped and she got out to speak the rain had mysteriously stopped.
I see this as a sign of her greatness, truly she is the Blessed One.
So she’s going to spaff money like a pissed sailor on shore leave while simultaneously cutting taxes?
Righto
… except you, who were the one who brought it up in this thread in the first place.
Nope. Wrong. Think it was tj who brought it up (quelle surprise).
So she’s going to spaff money like a pissed sailor on shore leave while simultaneously cutting taxes?
Of course. What better way to shovel cash into the pockets of the rich?
Strange speech, she seemed to admit that the country is in a real mess on many fronts.
Yeah I got that too. I did wonder if it had slipped her mind that the Tories had been in government for the last 12 years.
22 years?
22 years?
Yeah it seemed like that.
Nope. Wrong. Think it was tj who brought it up (quelle surprise).
Was it? I apologise if so.
Ernie was defending johnson again and said he got things right thru the pandemic . I was merely pointing out he got every major decision wrong.
If they’d locked down too early you’d be ranting about authoritarianism. Closed borders? Massive massive racists!
Nope i was calling for lockdown and closed borders early well before it happened
Sorry for the diversion. I just find ernies defense of Johnson very odd. I can only assume blinded by being a brexiteer
Kelvin
Nor me… in fact, you don’t need hindsight… you can either flip to the Covid thread to see posters here calling for earlier action for both the main “lock downs”… or check Hansard to see Labour doing so from the front and back benches. Johnson followed, and followed slow, late, and haphazardly. There was a cost for that. Same goes for the financial help, which was late and conditional, causing many people to lose their incomes… including many I know who are still piecing things back together as this new crisis hits them.
As I said (and I think you at the time) it wasn't haphazard as such it was taking whatever course reduced any options to non and basically avoided any decisions.
Probably most shocking being the one to send Covid patients into nursing homes and then to follow that up deny nursing homes the ability to even purchase PPE.
Honestly... that sounds like bollox - how could it be true ... except that's what happened.
Fulough
£20 a week for those on benefits. Up to 2.5 grand a month for those in work. Thats well above national avearge income.
tj
Sorry for the diversion. I just find ernies defense of Johnson very odd. I can only assume blinded by being a brexiteer
It's not really that odd? Loads of Russians are still defending Putin.
Sorry for the diversion. I just find ernies defense of Johnson very odd. I can only assume blinded by being a brexiteer
Nooooooo he did it again 🤣
Ernie was defending johnson again
I was pointing out that not everything Johnson ever did was wrong - like the time that he had to rely on the Labour Party for a covid related vote in the Commons.
If you want to interpret that as "Ernie defending Johnson again" that's up to you, I frankly can't be arsed, it's obvious that it's not possible to have a sensible discussion about the issue with you.
So she’s going to spaff money like a pissed sailor on shore leave while simultaneously cutting taxes
The two aren't linked like you think they are. It depends on which taxes and what spending.
Spaffing money to get us through the CoLC is the right thing to do.
The speech.
She hasn't got "it" has she?
Can't but help think the Tories are already lining up the next replacement ready for the conveyer belt.
– gov has no response
– Labour announce policy
– gov tries to match policy far too late, while also funnelling money upwards
– Labour points out where that money is going
– gov makes token effort to reduce money going upwards far too late
– more of the public can see we’d be better off with Labour running thingsx repeat
Government fix people's bills.
Debate shifts.
Labour stranded.
Spaffing money to get us through the CoLC is the right thing to do
Agreed. If it’s done right, ie: proper investment
But she’s going to use it to give tax cuts which disproportionately favour the better off when inflation is already through the roof
Labour seem to have been wrong-footed on this particular policy. Although I guess Labour could probably make the case to voters that they offer fiscal responsibility as opposed to the Tories spendthrift tax and spend attitude, it might win voters over.
Can't see it.
Micro economics trump's macro here. They won't care.
Labour keep doing that rubbish.
Anyway… ladies and gentlemen, meet your new Health Minister who’s going to sort out the NHS
Ernie
Go on tell me specifically what he got right?
You defend Johnson continally on here. He did not get one major decision right on covid. Doing the right thing much too late is not getting things right
Can’t but help think the Tories are already lining up the next replacement ready for the conveyer belt.
I keep thinking the same. But who? I want to place a bet on it now, day one... but doubt I'll get odds on "anyone" fighting the next general election instead of her... they'll want a name, yeah? That's a far harder call...
How many have you reported?
I see you've edited my response again.
kelvin
I keep thinking the same. But who? I want to place a bet on it now, day one… but doubt I’ll get odds on “anyone” fighting the next general election instead of her… they’ll want a name, yeah? That’s a far harder call…
Boris probably has a better chance than most which is utterly surreal.
Can’t but help think the Tories are already lining up the next replacement ready for the conveyer belt.
Haven't 12 letters of no confidence already been sent?
Like Winston Churchill post wilderness years Boris Johnson will return triumphantly.
Can’t see it.
No nor can I.
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1567184961320493056?s=20&t=VD9EZ1WSHzbS7I5TCVY3tA
He's being generous. There is no plan. The "previous" government (ie. this one with a different head) proposed tax cuts and more GP appointments as well. Raised taxes... and getting to see your GP now is just about impossible.
EDIT: Oh, and Johnson was supposed to be looking at restarting Fracking back in March... but as it would deliver nothing it's already fallen away. What's the point in it? Really?
Ernie
Go on tell me specifically what he got right?
You defend Johnson continally on here.
Well you are obviously not going to let this go, perhaps it would be simpler and easier if you just concluded that I am a Tory, you seemed to be pretty close to that conclusion anyway.
Like Winston Churchill post wilderness years Boris Johnson will return triumphantly
Out of interest I just had a look and the bookies are already taking bets on her replacement
Odds are
Kemi Badenoch: 6.5/1
Boris Johnson: 7.5/1
Kwasi Kwartang: 7.5/1
Rishi Sunak: 10/1
I think I’ll stick a tenner on Boris. This country is now so deranged, it’s almost inevitable
I see you’ve edited my response again.
None, then?
I haven't edited anything.
Odds are
Can you get better odds if you call a shorter timescale? I mean... eventually, everyone is replaced... I want some good odds based on calling a very short time in the post. Those odds will likely get worse fast, once she gets going properly. [ go on, say I'm "underestimating" her again... that one always makes me smile ]
Odds are
Kemi Badenoch: 6.5/1
Boris Johnson: 7.5/1
Kwasi Kwartang: 7.5/1
Rishi Sunak: 10/1
And round and round and round we go again! Seeing as Penny's not in it this time I'm voting for Boris. He has charisma and amusing hair.
Hhhhmmm ... either I am getting older or is the PM getting younger these days.
And round and round and round we go again!
Yes... round and round....
https://www.conservatives.com/news/2019/conservatives-announce-50-million-more-gp-appointments
Today, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has announced that there will be 50 million more appointments in GP surgeries will be created every year under a Conservative majority Government. That will enable more people to access care and reducing the time that patients are left waiting.
How we’re creating 50 million more appointments in GP surgeries
Our GPs are working incredibly hard. But, with an ageing population, demand for appointments has increased.
As such, we have announced a package to increase the number of NHS staff, improve international recruitment and retention of domestic staff, and train an extra 500 GPs a year from 2021-22.
These additional appointments, by 2024-25, will be made possible by the delivery of 6,000 more GPs and 6,000 more nurses, physiotherapists and pharmacists.
They are going to make it easier for overseas trained nurses to practice in the uk. Obviously this will increase the supply of highly skilled well trained professionals 🙄
Ernie
Why will you not say what you think Johnson got right?
I think you are so blinded by being a brexiteer that you cannot accept that he got every major decision wrong over covid
Why will you not say what you think Johnson got right?
Apparently the wallpaper in number ten is lovely
This must be what it was like in ancient Rome in the declining years. A new emperor every Tuesday.
Les blood now but same amount of back stabbing.
Must be a phase that declining powers go through.
Why will you not say what you think Johnson got right?
His work/life balance?
If you can get others to pay, and you're your own boss, it must be great to have that many holidays a year.
Why will you not say what you think Johnson got right?
I know you well enough to know that engaging with you is a waste of time as you simply ignore whatever you feel is inconvenient.
Twice now I have given you the example of when Johnson had to rely on the support of Labour MPs during the pandemic, despite having a huge majority, to pass legislation.
That is an example of him getting something right. Occasionally he did. But you won't have it. Fine, you are entitled to your opinion - everything Johnson ever did was wrong. Now ffs let it go.
@TJagain - he didn't even deliver Brexit properly did he?! Boris is without doubt the worse PM this country has ever seen (for now)! I don't even think he realises that he's been turfed out you know!
As for Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak - they are different masks on the same face - both members of the WEF so buckle up folks, lets see what that array of c***s have got lined up for us.
That is an example of him getting something right.
No, it isn't. It was him acting too late. And it cost us dearly. In so many ways. Labour still voted for the measures because even though they were late, they were needed. He was lambasting Labour for calling for the measures for ages, before finally flipping and then asking them to help him get the measures in place. What an utterly shit leader. Part time PM being dragged by the opposition by his ears to actually get on and do anything. Even when both lives and the economy were at stake.
You have not answered. What specific thing did he get right?
I guess you ate refusing to answer because you know in your heart he did not get any major decisions right
Iirc the stuff passed with labour support was too little too late.
He did not get a single major decision right as in my post above
No, it isn’t.
Okay so that's two of you who think that absolutely everything single thing that Johnson did as PM was wrong, I am sure there's more who agree.
Perhaps Labour should be pushing that line of attack and claiming that everything single decision made by the government in the last 2 years was wrong. It could prove to be a vote winner for them?
Okay so that’s two of you who think that absolutely everything single thing that Johnson did as PM was wrong, I am sure there’s more who agree.
No, there must be things he got right... a stopped clock and all that... we're waiting on your examples... I can't think of any off the top of my head.
EDIT: Oh yeah, I praised him for some of his public support for Ukraine early on. And some of his climate change stuff before he dumped it like a stone. Promising to buy a wide range of Covid vaccines, rather than waiting to see which was ready first... that was wise... not his idea, but he allowed it to happen... gets praise for that from me... getting the Pfizer jabs early rather than waiting for the "UK" one (tempered slightly by acting as if the vaccination program was complete when it was only just starting).
Out of interest I just had a look and the bookies are already taking bets on her replacement
Odds are
Kemi Badenoch: 6.5/1
Boris Johnson: 7.5/1
Kwasi Kwartang: 7.5/1
Rishi Sunak: 10/1
I think I’ll stick a tenner on Boris. This country is now so deranged, it’s almost inevitable
Not offering any odds on Kier?
Anyway now we've all Levelled up I'm looking forwards to the brave new age of Trussconomics...
Not offering any odds on Kier?
There's no need for that. Starmer might be right-wing but to suggest that he would stand in a Tory Party leadership election is a bit below the belt!
I know you well enough to know that engaging with you is a waste of time as you simply ignore whatever you feel is inconvenient.
Sound
I think that if they ever get round to adding the "ignore member" function most of us viewing the politics threads will wonder why they are mostly empty with an occasional post
Sound
Nice to have a comment from you mefty after a very long absence. Although hopefully that won't be the limit of your contribution for now and in the future.
Edit : No on second thought do yourself a favour and don't bother. This place really isn't geared up to be anything more than an echo chamber. Even a slight deviation from the script isn't tolerated.
Nice to have a comment from you mefty after a very long absence. Although hopefully that won’t be the limit of your contribution for now and in the future.
Likely to disappoint, unfortunately there are too many posters for whom the above policy is the right approach - all abit dull and dim now.
Sound
Ironic, more like.
Promising to buy a wide range of Covid vaccines, rather than waiting to see which was ready first… that was wise… not his idea, but he allowed it to happen… gets praise for that from me… getting the Pfizer jabs early rather than waiting for the “UK” one (tempered slightly by acting as if the vaccination program was complete when it was only just starting).
As I understand it, it was a risky gamble which paid off. The EU was waiting until it had its ducks in a row regarding the booster jab before starting the rollout. We went "**** it" and started anyway. As it happened it turned out to be the right thing to do, whether you'd call that wise or lucky I don't know.
Likely to disappoint,
Yeah well see my edit.
Just like when Boris took power, it looks like she’s mimicking his approach and there’s another purge going on.
Anyone who didn’t kiss the ring is out, to be replaced by a nodding dog.
Jesus… it really is like some kind of medieval court
Difficult to imagine how you could produce a cabinet even more devoid of any actual ability than the last one, but Liz has taken up that first challenge and will pass with flying colours
We are truly ****ed!
Even a slight deviation from the script isn’t tolerated.
You're a clever guy Ernie, but you do talk some right bollocks sometimes. It's like every other post you make is intended to garner a reaction, then when you get one you act all innocent. You're like a firework, "light blue touch paper and retire." I really should know better myself by now but you keep reeling me in.
There is no censorship here. If someone holds unpopular views then, well, that's on them isn't it.
You’re a clever guy Ernie, but you do talk some right bollocks sometimes.
It's actually the other way round but thanks.
Left bollox?
Cheering on Dorris, "go Nads!" ?
Anyone who didn’t kiss the ring is out, to be replaced by a nodding dog.
Do those that have kissed the ring get to be Chancellor of the Exchequer?
And with that unbelievably low post, I'm out... taking another break... mostly because this...
I think that if they ever get round to adding the “ignore member” function most of us viewing the politics threads will wonder why they are mostly empty with an occasional post
...is very true... and I'm adding to the crowding out again. Enjoy the ride of the first month of Truss. It's not going to be pretty.
Even a slight deviation from the script isn’t tolerated.
This is certainly a tendency on here. Ive been on the wrong end of it a few times
I try not to join in nowadays when a pile on occurs.
Its also interesting about relative viewpoints. I find the forum overwhelmingly right wing with a few noisy lefties but the vast majority of folk are imo right wing
Nice to have a comment from you mefty after a very long absence. Although hopefully that won’t be the limit of your contribution for now and in the future.
This. I rarely agree with you but you present a case well, without being rude and it's important to understand all viewpoints.
You’re a clever guy Ernie, but you do talk some right bollocks sometimes.
It’s actually the other way round but thanks.
He's not that clever as people often call him out for it. He's just a vexatious poster and those of us with better things to do get on with something more constructive than arguing with him. In real life I'm sure he's wonderful blah blah blah....
@binners The 'left wing' tory apologists will surely say that it's topped up the reservoirs.
The new cabinet is looking abysmal. Maybe there will be a surprise outbreak of competency somewhere but I doubt it.
I try not to join in nowadays when a pile on occurs.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That’s the funniest thing you’ve said in bloody ages - you’re the first to pile-on!!
Every thread - night and day.
Then you’re like a rabid dog when no one gives you the answer you demand.