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Car was driving at 65mph up the A9 when I went to overtake and it dropped into limp mode.
Got to campsite, car won't go over 2k revs, so about 30mph tops.
Have left it overnight in the hope it is better, but if not, how ridiculous would it be to drive it back? Will be a nuisance to other drivers so I'd be pulling into every layby, but is it likely to do even more damage?
Just gone 10 year old Peugeot Partner Teepee diesel.
Cheers.
Leave it with a local garage and get the train home?
It won’t reset, from my experience of diesel Peugeot estates. It was a DPF failure on mine which eventually made me get rid. What warning code are you getting? I assume you can google it.
Dunno, could you get a code reader delivered to the camp site? Obviously check all the hoses are intact.
No code, just says engine fault...I've no code reader and will take a nosey for local garages.
It has happened once before and after sitting with engine off, it was fine. I did go to garage after and they couldn't find any fault. Hoping it does the same this morning...however, if not, a train home then back with another car to collect stuff!
I don't know where that is located...the egr valve, I mean.
I had this driving home from Aberdeen once. Would start normally but could barely get it above 1500 rpm so couldn't get out of first gear. Turned out to be a small vacuum hose that had split just enough to pop off a connection somewhere once the pressure inside built up - no idea what it was for but obviously something crucial. Zip tie fixed it long enough to get home and replace the hose. Would be worth looking under the bonnet to see if there's any pipes loose or open-ended fittings that look like they should have something connected to them.
Has it hit 120k miles by any chance?
Just have a cursory check of hoses if it has an intercooler or similar. If one is punctured or has come loose then it would lose boost and may trigger limp mode...
Having said that, two cars that did exactly what you describe would reset if switched off and then restarted... VAG group, not Peugeot.
What he said.. You can just call the AA or Rac.. They might charge you £150 for your trouble if you are really stuck, and insist you sign up for 12 months...
Alternative.. Get a hotel/b&b if it's cheaper.
exactly what were you doing when it happened?
Did you drop it a gear and rev it out under full boost?
or just pull out maintaining speed in gear and overtake? This would have a bearing on the fault.
96k on the clock...once we all wake up I'll get the bonnet opened and check all the hoses I can get to.
As others say, it'll most likely be the DPF or the EGR, both there for emissions so no issues with the engine or car, just puts you in limp mode as the DPF/EGR sensors are triggering it.
If it's DPF you can usually smell if it's blocked or partially blocked with the car turned on, travelling back in limp mode will just be slow and tedious, not sure it's a good idea as if it goes red then the car stops, meaning you need assistance, it's a long and costly tow though, doubt any garage around where you are would fix it quickly!
see of the campsite knows a local mobile mechanic. i expect.they get a few issues every season so probably have the number of someone half decent
Was doing 65mph and nudged cruise control up to 68mph...indicated to move out and just as I moved over the line, it went beep and it jumped out of cruise control and carried on driving, but slowing down. No noises or judders or jolts, just the beep to report the fault.
Could be anything then! Sorry! It's code reader time (not sure if normal Obd readers will work - my 2004 Pug Partner can only be read by Citroen Lexia / Peugeot Planet factory/grey cloned full diagnostic dongle and PC)
Get yourself on the UK Berlingo forum if you aren't already. Someone might have Lexia nearby.
https://www.berlingoforum.com/index.php
If it's the 1.6 turbo diesel then have a very good listen to the turbo while someone revs it. You're listening for a slightly harsh bearing noise (these turbos commonly suffer from oil starvation and die early). Driving with a knackered turbo will end very badly and quite spectacularly. While you're there listen for any whooshing/hissing noises. These would indicate a spilt/loose hose in the boost system, driving with an air leak is not such a big deal.
Oil is changed every year and garage sat they do a wee check and it is ok...suspect the check might be what you have suggested.
I hadn't heard any different noises whilst driving, will check that again though.
Paging Trail_rat to the discussion, he has this era of Blingno.
I was driving down to the alps a weeks or so ago and my engine warning light came on, was driving fine at 80 on the motorway (France so legal). Then as we hit a hill it started limiting revs, so slow to climb the hills, otherwise would cruise along nicely at 80. Its booked in at the garage to have a check next week, but I drove about 1500 miles like that! Merc Viano not Berlingo btw.
Hoping its nothing major....
How much are code readers?
I'd be going for the mobile/local mechanic route rather than the AA/RAC/whatever. You just want it sorted enough to confidently get home, using a relay service to get it taken home can be a major pain
Last time I checked AA had a surcharge of 40 quid or something to join up once you'd broken down.
Might be worthing checking a few breakdown places.
Checked the engine - no hoses or plugs loose - I'm not really aware of how engines goes together so my knowledge is limited to what I can see and get my hand to...pipes with jubilee clips are all tight. Engine turns and it isn't making any odd noises...however, it revved ok once and then doesn't rev over 2k when driving. Took it for a wee drive and same.as.last night.
When I switched the engine off the engine fan was on and it stayed on for almost 10 minutes (the drive was 5 minutes)...
Going to attempt a wee bike ride then a slow drive home!
Should be relatively easy to pull the air intake off the front of the turbo and check for end float.
Are they variable vane units in these? My guess would be gummed up actuator causing airflow to go out of parameters.
Then your playing guess the fault from a list of MAF failed , crankshaft positioning sensors failed , dpf blocked , egr blocked , fuel pump failing ,
Squeeze some of the pipes you can reach. They may not have come loose, but they may have split only revealing themselves under pressure.
Head gasket or water pump if your fan is deffo the radiator and not the Aircon.
Try a drive with the cabin heater on full chat , only short mind . Or does the top hose go rock hard within a minute or two of a cold start?
Temp guage reading Normal,?
I guess with the fans coming on and staying on it might be a temperature sensor.
The sensor for the dash display is separate from the sensor(s) to the ECU on the cars I own.
That said our old shitboxes also have totally separate fan switches.
I had similar issues with a Citroen 10 years ago in a rural part of Scotland. In my experience going to small local garage with cash in your hand and a sob story will get some attention. That might just be to reset the error code in the box or in my case reset the code - take egr off and gives it some good whacks to remove some crap.
My experience of Peugot's going into limp mode is down to various sensor failures, and you might get lucky when you tr yto restart
Where do you normally get the car Serviced/MOT'd ?
Ours have a low loader and would come and collect the car (within reason). We had to no end of problems getting a car recovered last year, and wish I had known this at the time.
Im lucky that Ive found a garage where they appear to be quite genuine and want to do their best for the customer (obviously it means they get to do any work on the car too)
We drove home from Reims a few years ago in my Saab when it went into limp home mode. It was fine, if rather slow. The big problem was it got stuck getting onto the ferry as it didn't have the power to get up the ramp to the car deck so they had to back everyone off so I could reverse and park on the lorry deck. That was a bit embarrassing
It was fine, if rather slow.
And dangerous !
I think I'd be finding a local garage rather than going for a ride.
Don't be buggering about with turbos on a campsite unless you really really know what you are doing.
It *could* be EGR or turbo vane related, but that tends to happen on short trip cars and I wouldn't expect it to happen in the middle of a long trip unless something is causing it to smoke. Don't automatically assume that it is. On my Passat the issue was in the wiring to the boost sensor, the EGR was squeaky clean for its whole life.
Limp mode is there to protect the engine, so IMO it's unlikely to cause damage. The only possible issue is that if there's a boost leak or something like it could cause smoke that you wouldn't see and it might block up the DPF. However, the fact it's in limp mode suggests the car has realised something is wrong and is taking precautions so I'm guessing that won't happen. Driving in limp mode could be pretty hairy though. The Passat would do 40mph in limp mode on a flat road, but it was the power that was capped not the speed, so on any hill it would slow to a crawl and you could end up doing 20mph or less. Not nice. The Merc on the other hand was perfectly driveable in limp mode.
Haven't taken anything off, just made sure all cables were firmly attached. Car goes to 2k and no more so I can drive up to about 50...I think the drive home will be ok if I can keep that kind of speed and use all the lay-bys along the way.
Car going into garage tomorrow...
Drove back from East Sussex to Manchester in a Vectra with a faulty turbo many years ago. Any more than 2200 revs would knock it into limp mode. Middle of the night and 60 mph with no acceleration for 6 hours.
Got rid of the hateful pile of junk straight afterwards.
I can drive up to about 50
Borrow a caravan to make it legit 🙂
“Borrow a caravan to make it legit 🙂"
How to make yourself popular on the A9 😂
Made it to Ballinluig so far...was behind a tractor for a chunk which helped my guilt at slowing traffic!
Erm, do I now have to send you the contact details of my S&M WhatsApp group?
The A9, earlier this afternoon just south of Ballinluig...
😆
That age engine might be the 8 valve not 16 valve which allegedly you don't see the same regularity of turbo problems as the older 16v. We have / have had a number of those engines (8v and 16v) to decent mileages in the household and touch wood no turbo problems. Regular changes of the correct oil is also meant to reduce issues. We just had a 112k mile slightly leaky sump off for re-sealing and it was spotless around the oil pickup.
We've had two motorway breakdowns over the years (different vehicles but that engine) which were fuel pressure related. One was the pressure rail sensor (£30 for an original part). The other was a tiny hole rubbed in a plastic fuel pipe allowing it to suck air bubbles in. That is an easy check - squeeze the priming bulb a few times and you'll hear the gurgle of fuel and then it goes hard. With the leaky pipe you could hear it suckling air through the tiny hole.
But unusual fan behaviour could suggest something else - you really need someone to diagnose the fault codes. But as the second one above - sometimes the sensor is telling the truth so it needs diagnosing rather than just swapping parts randomly.
Made it back and car now at garage... thankfully they waited until I'd left before rubbing their hands.
Will find out tomorrow how grim it is...however, Perth roundabout was a mild panic as although the car moved, it didn't move quickly...however, made it round. Got to Keir roundabout and went through Bridge of Allan and town...was a much more relaxing drive when I could only do 30mph as a maximum.
If anyone was on the A9 southbound from 11.30 until 16.00, then I'm very sorry for holding you up!
Away overnight for a bike ride today at Badaguish and then Laggan and other than lying on the bed in the place, none of the rest of the plan happened! Serves me right for taking a day off work.
Having said that, two cars that did exactly what you describe would reset if switched off and then restarted… VAG group, not Peugeot.
My old Octavia used to do it, I quickly learned that keeping the revs up, pressing the clutch in, turning the engine off, waiting a couple of seconds then turning it back on getting the revs back up and gently letting the clutch back in meant I kept driving it for a few years until I gave it away. Turbo dying, apparently, it did have 160,000 on it, and had never been serviced… 🤷🏼
^thats the variable geometry vanes of the turbo sticking, Mrmuscle oven cleaner fixed it. My PD130 used to do it.
Garage has just called...fuel injector has failed, so only using 3 which is why it was in limp mode...getting it replaced at £650...
Garage has just called…fuel injector has failed, so only using 3 which is why it was in limp mode…getting it replaced at £650…
I wouldnt look at the cost of fuel injectors, must be some hours of labour cost
The AA replaced an injector (may not have been fuel) at the roadside in my 64 plate Partner Tepee last year for £408, so hope you're not being ripped off!
My tepee lost a injector, RAC could have replace the ones on the front of the engine at the side of the road, the back side however involved rocking the engine forward so was a garage job
£650…
Seems rather high. Unless it is buried behind half the engine...
no breakdown cover
Yeah, but you can ring them and get cover. price might be more, but still less than having it and not using it for the preceeding however many years?
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Cycle the ignition a few times. Some ECUs take 2 or 3 ignition cycles before they self clear some codes. My transporter was limping cause of a stuffed turbo, but as long as you could pull over and cycle the ignition twice, it always went away (until you overpressured the turbo, the wastegate was stuck shut).
Then mobile mechanic? plenty of those around
Then quotes to join the RAC, vs quotes for private recovery
Nothing to add, just want to say I hope you get it sorted/get home ok.
Been in a similar situation once and it's ****.
My Zafira 1.9 Tdi (Fiat engine I believe) would do it often - would ring fine then suddenly when you were asking for a bit of power (not just flat out) it would go into half-power mode and a disco light show take place on the dash. Power would return after a Control-Alt-Delete of stopping and locking the car for a few mins. And would sometimes recover after 10 or 15 mins.
£12 OBD reader would allow reset and go too. I eventually had one plugged in permanently.
Total bag of shiite car as far as the engine was concerned. Eventually the repair costs were too high and I got rid.
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They had to remove a fair chunk to get it replaced so sounds like it was one of the rear ones.
Thanks @Poopscoop - was 'ok' on the dual carriageway sections but not good on the single lane stuff...I thankfully got behind a tractor just after Dalwhinnie down to Pitlochry so the delay wasn't me for that bit.
Legs and shoulders are nipping today as I hadn't realised how stressed I was driving back down the road!
Fixed now and given the queue of cars they had to be worked on, I'm guessing I skipped the queue (I'm a regular at the garage for car servicing), so not complaining about the price.
Just stumbled across this thread. Should be a peugeot partner STW owners club...
My Partner tepee, 2011, just had an injector go. garage got a re manufactured one for £90 vs £300 so all in cost about £250 with a couple of hours labour and vat.
That said, the van is still at the garage. The fuel line clamp sealed, didn't, so pissed diesel, then the expansion bolts wouldn't stay tight, so blew smoke from the engine, and the injector clamp on one of the others is borked. should get it back today though.
had to get a recovery truck out to get me from Crow road carpark, which, if anyone is looking at getting breakdown cover, don't go with emergency assist/covermybreakdown. after 45 minutes of being on hold, I finally managed to talk to a call centre, with the line cutting in and out constantly.
after answering lots of questions, including the kerb weight of the vehicle and exact postcode of where it was at, as W3W would take longer for them to find me ?!? then a 10 minute discussion about us being a few miles from the postcode and we were not in fact in the carpark at wheelcraft!
so..recovery truck time of 2 hours, but would call when confirmed.
they called back 30 minutes later, no one available.
By this time, I'd arranged a lift back to the house from my MIL, called for an update, still no availability, so said I'd deal with it in the morning.
Called back in the morning, another 20 minute wait to get the call answered this time, and another 2 hour wait for the recovery truck.
only advantage is that we have the tepee as a micro camper, so on we were eating bacon and sausage rolls and fresh coffee while waiting.
Interestingly, way before the injector went, I was getting 'risk of clogging' warnings periodically. garage checked, regen was OK, DPF was OK, fluid levels OK, nothing really obvious. what they think now is that the injector was iffy and on it's way out, preventing a full regen, hence the light.
I've just done my Blingno timing belt / knackered water pump!
Nice easy job.
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I know, my OH was saying to me, if it's more than a grand it's getting sold!
the problem is, you get to know them, and the little niggles, so tend to keep them regardless of the niggles meaning they're in the garage a few times a year at £300 a pop...
we're on the hunt for something slightly larger anyway, so maybe this is the last garage adventure for it.
They do make great little micro campers. I've got a small kitchen unit in mine, about maybe 40cm deep, at the tailgate. when we sleep in it, I just pull out the bench bed I made, drop both front seats flat and even at 6'2 I can stretch right out. Cosy, but it works for a few days away, with B&B's in between to shower properly and be more comfortable.
I’ve just done my Blingno timing belt / knackered water pump!
Nice easy job
weirdly, I can fully service and fettle a multitude of bike parts, refurb brakes, strip and shim suspension, but when it comes to cars, I don't touch them. no idea why, maybe something to do with lack of workspace, or maybe to do with, bikes, if I mess up, it's just me riding it, and I'll likely not be going that fast, whereas in a car, It's everyone precious, and 70mph.
I have a mate who's the opposite. no problem fannying about with cars, but when it comes to bikes, he's not keen on breaking it.
Isn't the root cause of the turbo failures with that era engine there injector seal/washers? The seal leaks, oil gets drawn into the cylinder, soot gums up the turbo/egr, or was it combusted crap through into the valve cover contaminating the oil which lead to starvation? Something like that?
Might be worth asking if they think doing the rest of the injector seals whilst it's in bit is worthwhile.
when it comes to cars, I don’t touch them. no idea why, maybe something to do with lack of workspace
Some of it is more complicated, some of it is easier, but access to most of it is a total bastard. The best you can hope for is being able to get at the thing whilst lying on the floor on your back. Also, stuck bolts are an even worse problem.
Aye, from a practical point of view, it is a superb vehicle. As much as I'm really liking the Enyaq I'm driving, I really miss the Partner for just chucking stuff in and going...