It looks like Independent Panels within Parliament can actually get reports out and without redaction after all, it also appears that the report can actually include hard hitting terms and statements without that much evidence being involved, also good to see there are actual punishments for bullying staff, i seem to remember there's a couple of sitting MPs in similar positions, i wonder if they are really set on stamping on this, that they might start more panels, with the ability to lift all those NDAs as well.
Let's hope this is the first of many, can't wait to see how they report and punish other MPs who have fallen well short of standards with a similar level of investigation and reporting.
p.s, not a fan of Bercow, but even less of a fan of double standards.
Wouldn't mind them reviewing Patel's behaviour.
It looks like Independent Panels within Parliament can actually get reports out and without redaction after all, it also appears that the report can actually include hard hitting terms and statements without that much evidence being involved
For people the government doesn't like, yes.
Great, now the same for Patel please.
+ Truss, Sunak, Gove, Cleverly, BJ etc etc
p.s, not a fan of Bercow, but even less of a fan of double standards.
Yes boot out the ex-speaker who defected to Labour but leave the Home Secretary untouched....
Political bullying of the anti brexiter, by the tories who rather perversely refuse to anything about bullying by their own ministers.
You decide if this just looks vindictive, petty, and bacially, conservative values in action.
Meanwhile, we've all forgotten Sue Gray, PartyGate, the Williamson Lordship, the Lebdev Lordhsip and the billions wasted on track and trace and procurement or the other many and varied examples of tory corruption.
Absolute filth. Honestly, when you look across to the Ukraine and see what you can elect, and we got that tumbledried hamster! Ukraine shows what you can get, if you ban Etonions from being nominated by Etonions for the prime spot.
My own particular dismal byword for corruption, Crispin Blunt, (that has to be a spoonerism) has stated that "everyone" disobeyed lockdown anyway, so it's no big deal if De Pfeffiel-Johnson did. So thats ok then.
I have NEVER been so utterly dienchanted with both the Govt, of people like the walking oxymoron Cleverly, the bullying Patel, or Kwartang who is proven to be so dim even the James Watt telescope can't detect him, or the rightious Rees Mogg.
If only we had a press that could be willing to hold them toaccount, rahter than ensuring their financial best interests are served.
I loathe Britain, and what it's become after 13 dismal years of this bunch of self enriching cowboys.
“ Political bullying of the anti brexiter… Absolute filth…[Edited-MODS]”
Read the report.
I did this morning - the allegations are detailed and go back to 2009.
https://www.scribd.com/document/563341315/Bercow-Bullying-Report#fullscreen&from_embed
Furthermore, the findings were reviewed by a second panel including a QC.
The conclusions are evidence based and pretty strong - the report states that:
“The respondent has been a serial bully… His evidence in the investigations, the findings of the Commissioner, and his submissions to us, show also that the respondent has been a serial liar”.
Suggesting that the public servants who undertook the investigation are political stooges and the victims are liars is shameful.
Guess I now have a rock solid case against every employer I have ever worked for.
Load of bollocks.
i would like to add iain duncan smith to the list a grade a ***** who i will never forget what he did as work and pensions minister.
+ Truss
Is Liz Truss an alleged bully? I somehow can't imagine her as a bully. She strikes me as someone who wants to be liked by everyone.
Guess I now have a rock solid case against every employer I have ever worked for.
Go for it, they'll never get their Parliamentary passes back.
If truss is a bully there will be photos. And a flag.
Suggesting that the public servants who undertook the investigation are political stooges and the victims are liars is shameful.
I don't think anyone is on this thread, including me at the start, i was raising the fact that they can do thorough investigations, going back 15 years, assessing all the evidence, including underneath NDAs, and issue a full report with recommendations in a timely manner, without any redactions and worthy punishments.
Note that these allegations do go back to 2009, and the ones stated captured in evidence at the time, wonder why it's taken this long to be investigated properly, i think the complainants have all retired now as well, same as Bercow, perfect time to issue a report then!
I think the complainants have all retired now as well, same as Bercow, perfect time to issue a report then!
So is Bercow likely to be bothered? Well according to your link :
"Mr Bercow is understood to have been administratively suspended by the Labour party while it investigates."
And Bercow did appeal to the Independent Expert Panel. I reckon the fact that they upheld all 21 findings of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards makes it even more damning than if he hadn't appeal. So I think the answer is yes, he is probably very bothered.
Plus of course it also sends a message to other members of parliament.
Plus of course it also sends a message to other members of parliament.
That you can only get away with it if you're a Tory?
Bercow has been reported as saying he's going to visit Parliament despite the ban. So I look forward to having him violently dragged out by security. Hopefully tasered too.
Lifetime ban from Parliament for Bercow!
Unless I missed something, that's not what the linked article says? It says he wouldn't be granted a parliamentary pass, which he already doesn't have and says he doesn't want. It also says he's free to be signed in by someone who does.
It's the political tactics of distraction imo....
By letting time pass after an important review, talking to the public or discussion of other reviews before revealing the result, politicians allow the publics minds to forget the details of the important original review.
Lifted from the magic circle - some names/words may have been changed 😉
Shame about Bercow - I liked him, but then I am center left, euro loving Woke. & Yes I feel disappointed. Personally, most large companies I've worked for have some people high up the ladder that wouldn't last too seconds under a conduct review if conducted they way they are in parliament. Doesn't make working for them any easier. But..... Looking away from the distraction - it's sooooo much worse...
I wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would have me as a member.
Unless I missed something, that’s not what the linked article says? It says he wouldn’t be granted a parliamentary pass, which he already doesn’t have and says he doesn’t want. It also says he’s free to be signed in by someone who does.
Think they've tweaked the story since i linked it, i was originally using another link, but couldn't bring myself to linking the daily mail!
also add my support to the evidence showing Bercow is a nasty piece of work and this is no more than that behaviour deserves.
I'm looking forward to holding others that do the same thing to the same standards.
Plus of course it also sends a message to other members of parliament.
What message is that? Don't be a meanie, and leave the party or we'll get you (after you've left)...
The sanction is largely meaningless while there are members of parliament still serving who could benefit from such attention who seem to be strangely insulated...
wonder why it’s taken this long to be investigated properly,
Because Bercow as speaker was ultimately at the top of any investigation until they changed to the independent system
The Priti Patel investigation was done by the civil service iirc
What message is that? Don’t be a meanie, and leave the party or we’ll get you (after you’ve left)…
If you think that's what the message is, yes that.
Although the investigation was carried out by someone who isn't a politician a long time before Bercow decided to join the Labour Party.
And none of the Independent Expert Panel members who upheld all 21 findings of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards are MPs.
Plus the Labour Party is presumably also trying to send the same message as they have apparently suspended Bercow's membership.
Or rather than all the cheap political sniping, based on hearsay , guardian news sources and others, you could just accept that Bercow is a bit of a shit.
He certainly had that reputation when he was my MP ... it seems his ego slowly got worse. It has nothing to do with his political views - but his behaviour.
If you want too make it about something else, fine -
Bercow has always been like this, all this report does is let him back in the limelight, and he’ll love that.
Why it’s taken so long is just weird, all it looks like now is a personal hit job, as all are retired, could you imagine that in any other job?!
Still, as stated, hope to see more reports soon, without any redaction or limitations as well.
Bercow is indeed a bit of a shit, he just had a temporary rehabilitation of convenience when he directed his shittery towards the Brexiteers, who are even bigger shits.
Suggesting that the public servants who undertook the investigation are political stooges and the victims are liars is shameful.
I think they've done their jobs admirably and fairly. But if the person who was subject to the investigation was key to the government, then ministers (and the PM) would have tried to find a way to ignore or overrule them, resulting in honourable people resigning. Again.
If truss is a bully there will be photos. And a flag.
What is the correct costume for bullying?
Or rather than all the cheap political sniping, based on hearsay , guardian news sources and others, you could just accept that Bercow is a bit of a shit.
I think most of us do. I think we also know that he would've been treated differently had he been a government minister.
TBH this just seems like a little scrap of "Red Meat" being tossed to the Tory back benchers to try and help keep the (increasingly forgotten) heat off Bozza.
If the investigation was completed some time ago, why wait until now to publicise it?
The radio had some triumphant sounding old duffers this morning, back-clapping themselves for giving Bercow a damn good reputational drubbing, two years after it would have actually helped their agenda.
We all know what this is about, He broke with the Tory party during their overhaul to become the overt Brexiteer, headbanger club that it is today, and as speaker refereed (slowed, but didn't actually prevent) their collective lynching of the previous leader.
MP's complaining that one particular Ex-MP was a Liar and a Bully seems almost comical. Being somewhere on the 'Lying-Bully spectrum' is probably a prerequisite for putting yourself forward as a candidate, let alone taking a seat in parliament.
It's just an empty victory, announced loudly to placate the old boys, and it's working...
MP’s complaining that one particular Ex-MP was a Liar and a Bully seems almost comical.
They haven't. Former members of his staff complained to people who aren't MPs or politicians.
It's an employment issue more than a political one.
And yes, he is a shit, Private Eye readers have been aware of the allegations (and that they had substance) from before he defected to Labour IIRC - so they certainly knew what they were getting.
I’m sure he will still get a seat in the House of Lords. The ban is only for the commons as our antiquated system means the commons can’t ban him from the lords
I’m sure he will still get a seat in the House of Lords. The ban is only for the commons as our antiquated system means the commons can’t ban him from the lords
Who do you think will give a peerage? I know Wilkinson got one, why belies believe - but Bercow is now seriously damaged goods.
The Cons would do it
And he has bugger all service to Labour ...
Who do you think will give a peerage? I know Wilkinson got one, why belies believe – but Bercow is now seriously damaged goods.
The Cons would do it
And he has bugger all service to Labour …
Someone will for the same reason Blair eventually got one. Blair got his so Cameron and in due course May and Boris can have theirs. It will be the same with other speakers in the future. He won’t get one next week but he will at some point
Someone will for the same reason Blair eventually got one.
Blair isn't in the House of Lords.
Michael Martin got his peerage as the previous speaker and he made Bercow look like a shrinking violet!
I think the wire sums up politics as much as the drugs game, the games the game, to those outside, it makes no sense whatsoever.
The ban is only for the commons
Are you sure about that? The Independent Expert Panel has stated that he should have no automatic access to "the Palace of Westminster" which includes both Houses.
“ TBH this just seems like a little scrap of “Red Meat” being tossed to the Tory back benchers to try and help keep the (increasingly forgotten) heat off Bozza.”
Is complete nonsense.
We’re getting to a point where there’s a conspiracy theory in everything even when the facts of the matter couldn’t be clearer.
In the case at hand:
- the allegations were made by public servants
- the allegations were formally submitted to another public servant
- the review, review of the review and appeal
Process and the timings thereof were all led by public servants
- the timing of the report’s release was ultimately dictated by the need to complete the appeal process first
- the final date for the release of the report was chosen by a public servant
In each of these steps the decision rights were held by public servants - not MPs.
The only real political aspect at play here (not sure what the Labour equivalent of “red meat” is) is the decision by Sir Kier to allow Bercow to join the Labour Party whilst the investigation was already underway and in full sight of the 10+ years of consistent allegations that were already in the public domain e.g. Private Eye.
I’m looking forward to holding others that do the same thing to the same standards.
Good luck with that.
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He should've done what Labour did and ask Martin Forde QC to do the investigation then move it around just about every quango/think tank until it's conveniently forgotten about.
“ The only real political aspect at play here is the dead cat thrown on the table to appease tory voters”
For this to be true the Public servants involved would need to be Tory stooges / supporters.
Most public servants are decent people and go to considerable effort to discharge their duties as necessitated by the role they hold and it’s reasonable to expect those working on the fringes of politics are probably aware of the need to maintain the highest standards in order to avoid the perception of bias consistently levied at Bercow when he was the Speaker.
In this case it would also require orchestration across a significant number of people involved - upwards of 50 to throw a “dead cat”. So not at all likely.
I'm not sure anyone is suggesting Bercow wasn't a bully.
The issue is that as a thorn in the government's side he has been properly punished, yet Pritti Patel was let off.
The Independent Expert Panel has stated that he should have no automatic access to “the Palace of Westminster” which includes both Houses.
"should".
Has that happened?
The only real political aspect at play here...
...is why the findings where accepted and will be acted on (rightly in my opinion) when the subject of the investigation is against the government, whereas similar findings where the subject is with the government get ignored, resulting in resignations from honourable people involved in the investigation in protest.
Blimey this thread really is Whataboutry Grand Central
Perhaps the Labour Party should lift the suspension on Bercow on the grounds that Priti Patel is an alleged bully?
Although I'm not sure how "the small angry man is a proven bully but he is our bully" would play out with voters.
The Labour party haven't done that though, have they.
resulting in resignations from honourable people
Has Prince Andrew quit?
:O
Has that happened?
I believe so. My understanding is that Bercow currently has no automatic access to the Palace of Westminster.
Has Prince Andrew quit?
Well, mostly, yes he has. 🤣
I was referring to a string of resignations brought about by the PM ignoring such disciplinary findings when they involve people with the government, the most pertinent probably being Sir Alex Allan...
