[Closed] Life, Faith, Religion and a path to finding God?

I'm going to have stir-fry beef with red peppers in Black Bean sauce for my supper tonight. What about everyone else?

I've got a thirst for a cup of enlightenment. Wonder if Tesco's sell it.

Probably a beef pie, but I might have chicken fillets down the pub instead. "You've got the love"'s on the radio at the mo.

My intention is completely, to support.

You are reading into it, patronisation that is not there

Woppit, if this really is the case, then you are really really bad at it.

MrNutt - Member

Woppit, perhaps you should cease criticizing other peoples beliefs, Then maybe you might not be the one asking for forgiveness?

1: I see no reason to not criticise other people's beliefs. I 'm happy to give the religious/superstitious a chance to convert me. 1/10 for effort, so far.

2: I've no problem with them trying to criticise mine, but don't assume I'd let it go without replying (in my own, inimitable "insensitive" way, of course).

3: I didn't ask for forgiveness - I suggested that barneslymitch stick to his own alleged principles, rather than abandon them at the first wiff of opposition.

Good luck with the faith thing. Personally, I think you'd be better off without it, but hey! What difference does it make, right? None of us are getting out of here alive...

Massaman curry and a bottle of CabSav. Really looking forward to it. Might buy an extra big plate for the purpose. mmmmm, hungry now.

CharlieMungus - Member

My intention is completely, to support.

You are reading into it, patronisation that is not there

Woppit, if this really is the case, then you are really really bad at it.

😆 Probably why I never took up counselling... 😆

I didn't even know it had been offered. But yes, you should have taken it.

Oops. "... being a councellor".

Good stab.

Why thank you 🙂

Come on Woppit; I'll buy you a pint.

That's a promise. Everyone here is witness to this. I'm more than happy to meet up and discuss things. Don't be frightened.

Come on.

Oooh, a nice, juicy pint....

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Mmmm.....

As an interesting aside - when I met petesgaff, he said he appreciated me talking to him about his cancer as if it were just another subject, like the weather or last night's telly or something. He said one thing he couldn't stand was people tippy-toeing around the subject for fear of upsetting him, which of course was the one thing that upset him.

I think a big drawback for people who get religious is the way in which they can't talk about it without getting all upset and "offended" by what anywhere else, would simply be a robust discussion.

Not much of a reccommendation, in my view. Must be one of the side-effects of indoctrination.

Must be one of the side-effects of indoctrination.

Must a central property of "faith" itself, then...

Woppit, have you had a read of my 'arguing' thread?

I'd be fascinated to read your thoughts...

... which, if that IS the case, is another reason to avoid it, it seems to me...

See that's how we differ, Woppit. I'm actually geniunely interested in other people's opinions.

You, obviously, aren't.

Which puzzles me; if you truly believe in your own righteousness, why do you feel so compelled to argue with people all the time? Surely, if you were that confident and comfortable within yourself, you could just leave others to it, and still be happy?

You're quite an angry man, aren't you?

What d'you think of it so far, Nutt?

Don't worry about what Nutt thinks, Woppit; we're interested in what [i]you[/i] think. Or rather, why you feel so compelled to evangelise about your own 'beliefs', yet are seemingly unwilling to consider others' points of view.

Come on; you are so quick to challenge, yet when you are yourself challenged, you don't seem to have the stones to fight yer own corner.

Ignoring this post will be seen as proof that you're just an arrogant ignorant opinionated biigot.

Which I'm sure you're not, really....

I'm with Woppit; any dicussion about faith/religion/belief descends into wishy washy silliness and weasel words because there is a complete absence of anything rational or logical about f/r/b. Again as Woppit has noted atheists don't have any problem with what others believe right up to point where we have to put up with the implication that we are not worthy, going to hell, amoral, unable to comprehend the majesty of blah blah blah.

Don't forget, too, that all these caring sharing finding yourself making the world a better place religions can't even manage to deal with homosexuality, which has been around longer than any of them.

Woppit tells it like it is, no punches pulled, which is a good thing.

“The quest for certainty blocks the search for meaning. Uncertainty is the very condition to impel man to unfold his powers.”

Come on Woppit; where's yer stones?

Crikey; let him speak for himself please.

if this really is the case, then you are really really bad at it.

he couldn't stand was people tippy-toeing around the subject for fear of upsetting him, which of course was the one thing that upset him.

Superb goadng there fred but reads a little like you are back to your old ways

No, I'm just asking fair questions of someone who's very quick to question others.

Sadly, it seems he is unable or lacks the courage to actually answer those questions. 😕

No, I'm just asking fair questions of someone who's very quick to question others.

Sadly, it seems he is unable or lacks the courage to actually answer those questions. 😕

[i]Sadly, it seems he is unable or lacks the courage to actually answer those questions[/i]

Or he might be having his tea...

Junkyard displays his ability to claim innaccurate statistics to support his baseless case...

The number of people in the threads about this subject who complain about my (perceived) "attitude" as a percentage of all who take part are in the significant minority. There are at least as many who agree with me.

At least, that's what the actual evidence shows...

No; he's posting elsewhere.

T'was only a simple question, too....

EDIT: Oh [i]there[/i] you are Woppit!

Fancy a go at answering me question then? 🙂

baseless ?
Self awareness really is not your strong suit is it?

Well, I'm sure you know best.

"Again as Woppit has noted atheists don't have any problem with what others believe right up to point where we have to put up with the implication that we are not worthy, going to hell, amoral, unable to comprehend the majesty of blah blah blah.

Don't forget, too, that all these caring sharing finding yourself making the world a better place religions can't even manage to deal with homosexuality, which has been around longer than any of them.

Woppit tells it like it is, no punches pulled, which is a good thing."

If you can find me one piece of evidence to back up your first statement crikey, I'll be more than happy to back down.
With regard to your second statement, how do you know that I'm not gay? As for your third statement, are you on crack?
And woppit, in order for me to either forgive you or apologise to you (nice to see you covering all bases there), I would have to feel some sort of remorse. Trouble is, I dont - All I know of you is your persona on here, and ridiculous as it seems, I dont find anything likeable in that persona.

Self awareness really is not your strong suit is it?

No, it's obviously not.

Woppit; if you didn't have a keyboard and tinternet, is there any way you'd be able to voice your opinions in the 'real world'?

Just curious, like...

Trouble is, I dont - All I know of you is your persona on here, and ridiculous as it seems, I dont find anything likeable in that persona.

I've seen him in real ife, yet he din't even say hello, and ran away. 🙁

And woppit, in order for me to either forgive you or apologise to you (nice to see you covering all bases there), I would have to feel some sort of remorse.

Really, I don't think jesus would approve, do you? Or have you used up your other cheek elsewhere?

"Once again you show your ignorance and insensitivity to"...

Erm, blah blah blah etc.

I sense a mod 's chopper (ahem) hovering as the "religion" thread once again collapses into the theists resorting to bickering and personal attacks (which apparently, are only horrible when I do them).

Yawn. Death,come soon...

BM, your sexual orientation is none of my business, shame the same can't be said for oooh, Catholicism for example, Islam for a second example....

You are being disingenuous; you know, as I do, that the major religions of the world still, even now, struggle with the idea of homosexuality. Presumably this;

[i]If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV)[/i]

Is one of those bits that are allegorical...convieniently...

Am I on crack? Why not use a standard thoughtless comeback instead of any attempt at debate. You might not like Woppits internet persona, but my claim that telling it like it is is a good thing is a reasonably valid point.

Yawn. Death,come soon

Ah come on mate; it's not that bad. Is it? 😯

In fairness Woppit; you do like to hijack threads like this, to get attention, then when you do, you start crying about how unfair it is. Your attitude can be incredibly patronising, condescending and downright insulting. Don't try acting the innocent; you deliberately set out to antagonise folk.

I've given you the opportunity to offer an explanation for this kind of behaviour; an opportunity you seem unwilling or unable to take.

You've been banned for being insulting to people on religion threads haven't you? Why is that, d'you think?

You might not like Woppits internet persona, but my claim that telling it like it is is a good thing is a reasonably valid point

Woppit cannot enter into any discussion of this kind (or indeed any kind) without needing to 'win', and belittle others. I am curious as to why this is. I doubt Woppit has the courage to offer an explanation himself, however.

[i]Don't try acting the innocent; you deliberately set out to antagonise folk.[/i]

Light absorbing kitchen implements in colour reference debating shock....

[i] Your attitude can be incredibly patronising, condescending and downright insulting[/i]

Ditto...

[i]In fairness Woppit; you do like to hijack threads like this[/i]

Come on, your entire contribution to this thread is to come on and slay the fearsome Woppit! You have made no attempt to engage in any other debate at all!

[i]I doubt Woppit has the courage to offer an explanation himself, however.[/i]

Ok, Thomas.... 🙄

thread once again collapses into the theists resorting to bickering and personal attacks

Come on, your entire contribution to this thread is to come on and slay the fearsome Woppit! You have made no attempt to engage in any other debate at all!

I have, yet I've had no response:

Which puzzles me; if you truly believe in your own righteousness, why do you feel so compelled to argue with people all the time? Surely, if you were that confident and comfortable within yourself, you could just leave others to it, and still be happy?

See?

Light absorbing kitchen implements in colour reference debating shock....

I'm not denying it! I am at least aware of my own particular foibles, and can spot similar traits in others. Hence my questioning of Woppit.

But I'm sure Woppit can defend himself.

[i]But I'm sure Woppit can defend himself.[/i]

I'm sure he can, but that shouldn't preclude anyone else from pointing out the essentially confrontational and hypocritical nature of others posts should it?

This is STW, after all...

He started it, Miss.... 😥

I can't be bothrered reading all that!

Can someone summarise?

MrNut is taking the whole faith/belief/religion thing more seriously because he's not happy with who/how he is at present, then the usual STW arguments about religion, including Mr Woppit, then Elf appeared on a Woppit hunt.

Standard STW thread really.

MrNut is taking the whole faith/belief/religion thing more seriously because he's not happy with who/how he is at present, then the usual STW arguments about religion, including Mr Woppit insulting and belittling anyone with different beliefs to his, then Elf appeared [b]and was nice and friendly and peaceful.[/b]

FTFY.

🙂

MrNut is taking the whole faith/belief/religion thing more seriously because he's not happy with who/how he is at present, then the usual STW arguments about religion, including Mr Woppit insulting and belittling anyone with different beliefs to his, then Elf appeared and was nice and friendly and peaceful [b]for a refreshing change[/b].

Fixed again.... 😀

Although, to be fair, yes, I'd agree that you are not being overly antagonistic, and on the whole, are being fair within the unwritten rules of debate on here.

Splitter.

Lol, have some faith Woppit! Oh....

😆

😆

right up to point where we have to put up with the implication that we are not worthy, going to hell, amoral

Did we get to that point in this thread? If so i think I missed it

No we didnt, nor was it even approached, but that doesnt stop people with "baggage" from hurling it at anyone with an interest in Faith.

See, thing is people aren't allowed to be spritual, have faith, believe in what they want to anymore.

And is this the result of religious indoctrination? Orders from Rome? A crazed Mulla ranting in the desert? A rogue Yogi? A Shinto priest gone bad?

No it's because Woppit cannot accept that some people have different beliefs. They are to be shouted down and ridiculed in equal measure. Oh the ironing...

In defence he thinks you can believe in any sort of gibberish nonsense you want
You can believe the moon is made of cheese and it controls the world via astrology but it is not an accurate method of understanding the world.
See what they did to heretics in the dark ages if you think his sarcasm and disdain is harsh and see how believers treat gays today or how many people kill people today for their faith. Atheist zealots are still much more civilized than believer ones and much less harmful to those they oppose.
Not that long ago what we said on here would have been an offence in law etc
Again the evidence does not match your view

In defence he thinks you can believe in any sort of gibberish nonsense you want

Pretty much sums up my position also. Before you go off to do that though can you please give all the money back, relinquish your right to tax free status, stay out of the education systems with your nasty half baked fairy stories and while your at it stay out of politics and keep away from people in white coats who are trying to cure stuff and make people better.
In summary keep it all to yourself.

arternoon.

it's because Woppit cannot accept that some people have different beliefs

Pretty hard not to accept something for which there is such overwhelming evidence so, no - I completely accept that some people have different beliefs.

They are to be shouted down and ridiculed in equal measure.

I have never in my life, shouted anyone down. Indeed, I don't see how that can be done on a text-based forum. Perhaps you can, er, enlighten me. Lord knows it's difficult not to ridicule the ridiculous, I often find. Well, he doesn't actually because, you know...

Hello Junkyard - hands across the ocean and all that. 8)

"If you dont like being laughed at then dont have such funny ideas"

Gypsey Rose Lee I recall.

[url= http://www.venganza.org/ ]The Way of the Truth[/url]

Mr Nutt: Do it! You know it makes [s]sauce[/s] sense

Wow, page 12... You've all been busy.

Those with a belief in any particular religion seek spiritual guidance from the ancient texts that were written thousands of years ago. Some of these might seem somewhat outdated now with an advancement of science, but other parts are still quite relevant. Interpreting the bible in our modern world is clearly one of the challenges. Exploring one's faith may of course result in discovering a complete lack of it, but MrNutt is not wrong for wanting try. It's a personal challenge to him, for which he has my admiration. Whether you agree/approve/accept of MrNutt's desire to challenge himself in a more spiritual way is up to you, but the desire to want to make some improvement to the way you live your life is commendable in my opinion.

Ian

D'you think it'll stop him going round beating people up? He might progress to flying planes into buildings.

SORRY! SORRY! I'M SO SORRY! I'LL GET ME COAT, SORRY!!!!!

😉

Personally I see this puerile school playground cockishness to be just to be the antagonists self proclamation of immaturity and lack of respect for other peoples birthright; that being the freedom to believe in what you like and explore/question your own Faith.

So woppit, junkyard, crikey, etc

would you prefer that I believe in nothing? nothing unless it can be repeatedly proven 99% by controlled scientific test?

that I just follow your example? and have no Faith?

But then it is not proven that God does not exist now is it, perhaps you could show me that proof?

you seem so convinced?

Give me that proof, unequivocal proof that there is no God. After all that is what you merrily proclaim.

show me the money or shut the **** up.

I thought we had agreed that we dont really care.

Here you are, two bob. Old money.

Personally I see this puerile school playground cockishness to be just to be the antagonists self proclamation of immaturity and lack of respect for other peoples

Sense of humour bypass might need looking at, you don't write for the Daily Telegraph, do you?

Please don't hurt me.

This thread is good, it's been a bit of a journey of self discovery for me too.

I thought I was a humanist, went along to the local Humanist Society meeting last night... turns out I'm a naturist.

D'you get your kit off in the woods, then?

Yeahp, and the local swimming baths.

MrNutt.

Have you considered Scientology?

I think they even have evidence and stuff.

But then it is not proven that God does not exist now is it, perhaps you could show me that proof?

Oh dear - "I say something exists but you have to prove it doesn't".

How come you don't even get THAT by now? What's wrong with you? Oh, yeah...

I wonder if you'd dare say any of the things that you've been typing to my face woppit?

From what I hear you have considerably less courage than your conviction. Fancy a Pint?

And don't worry, this isn't a threat or promise of violence.

I thought we had agreed that we dont really care.

You care enough to keep reading and posting though. 😛

Don't much see the point. I'd only be repeating myself and I doubt it would help you grasp simple logics which seem to be beyond your reach.

Given your self-proclaimed tendency to mindless violence, I REALLY don't think I'm interested in wasting any of my time talking face to face with a thug. Thankyou. This'll do just fine.

Mr Nutt,

I've not been reading this thread for a couple of days because I got bored with it. But some of the things you have been entering recently just don't make sense.

Your first post seemed to be asking for help in deciding which way to go. Your later posts indicate that far from not knowing, you appear to have definatetly made up your mind (I suspect before you first posted). What I'm afraid you are experiencing though is not a leap of faith, but simple guilt.

Why would you change your persona so significantly? You make it sound like you were a real shit before you looked for answers in god (or faith).

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of faith. Faith isn't something you believe in, it is the belief in something. I have faith that gravity will bring me down to earth when I fall off my 29er, it is NOT faith that brings me to the ground.

Faith will not make you do good things or stop you from doing bad things, try being a good person and not being afraid of some ultimate reprisal.

Nutts beliefs dont interest me but the debate is great fun 😛

[i]would you prefer that I believe in nothing?[/i]

No, it's amusing watching people give themselves a false sense of security.

In fact, I've just lost interest in texting to a screen to screen, with a thug.

Sayonara, petal.

all climb aboard the character assassination train. next stop ****youville.

lol at whoppit (i am so above this thread that i just spent half my life posting on)
nob.

Mock me all you like, this is the beginning of a journey into faith, I'll let you know how I get on with it.

You did ask for it Mr Nutt!

I was about to type a really long post of my thoughts, but we're talking about religion. Each to their own, I don't care if others want to believe in ghosts, the super-natural, black magic, fortune tellers, religions, mystics, magic crystals, powerbands, any of that hokey stuff. It's entirely up to them. If it gets them through the day and makes them act in a nice way towards other people, all the better.

The only thing I want to know is.. do you think god give a sh'one't about whether you believe / actively worship? And if he does, why doesn't he do something mega awesome to get people back into churches... how about sending his daughter this time?

Maybe heavens getting pretty full so it eases the pressure have less 'god botherers'?

lol at whoppit (i am so above this thread that i just spent half my life posting on)
nob.

I think now that veiled threats of violence are involved Woppit has lost interest to be fair.

allright then i take back the nob bit but its still funny in an internet door slamming sort of away.

ahh I've been away for 6 pages (aka a couple of days) so where did we get to. I've read the precis' about about nice, friendly, peaceful Elves refreshing and changing Nutt's whilst Woppit belittles...

have I missed anything?

When's the skyclad, transrational bike ride of the STW faithless/full?