[Closed] Liar liar pants on fire

Is it telling that I thought "ah, a David Cameron thread" before I opened this?

politicians breaking election promises ? ... who'd have thought ??

Yes, but the politicians I like are so much more principled than the politicians you like...

Only five years to go, OP. 🙂

I may like your politicians hutch, but as "cmd" has made such an art from of blaming the previous administration for failures I wonder whom or what he is going to blame for this one.

You sound like an Australian scrum half 😆

Hmm, I'm unsure of your point - we are a member of the EU, we cannot directly control EU migration, it's illegal. Dave didn't make that the Law, his predecessors did.

If we want to change that, we have to leave the EU, Dave is giving us a referendum on doing just that, he was unable to do so previously as he did not win a majority in the 2010 election, now he has he is doing it.

What would you suggest he did in the meantime?

Gallop away ninfan 🙂

Pretty simple promised to reduce numbers hasn't reduced numbers. Maybe he should of done a bit more research before trotting out a promise he couldn't keep.

Are you happy his this failure 😆

we cannot directly control EU migration, it's illegal.

So why just do it - what's the fine?

we cannot directly control EU migration, it's illegal. Dave didn't make that the Law, his predecessors did.

you would have more credibility if you just accepted the obvious and criticised him - its akin to me trying to defend Blairs dossier this.

I think there are three lessons here

1. Never ever believe a politician
2. if you are a politician never make a promise or a pledge
3. if the press are on your side you get much nicer treatment for failing

ninfan - Member

What would you suggest he did in the meantime?

[i]Not[/i] promise to reduce numbers obviously, especially when they knew from day one that they'd not even attempt to meet their absurd target. Not blaming the Lib Dems for it would be a good move too.

Actually cutting immigration as much as they promised would have been a terrible idea so it's just as well they were lying about it. But that doesn't make it OK that they were lying.

Pretty simple promised to reduce numbers hasn't reduced numbers.

Duh, promised to reduce numbers [u]if they won the election[/u]

They didn't, remember?

It's like criticising The SNP for failing to get rid of trident...

wait there, is ninfan David Cameron?!

If you read the article you will see that immigration from outside the EU is rising just as quickly! so leaving the EU will not solve it.

So ninfans argument is the PM did not win the election 😆

FWIW the wording was if you elect a conservative govt.
Most would consider that this happened and it was his watch

I assume he wont take credit or blame for anything in the last govt then as it has **** all to do with him

Childish and nit amusing as an argument

I'm pretty sure most of the voting public have trouble telling the difference between the free movement of EU citizens and "immigration", (or at least my Daily Mail reading MIL does).

A politician making deliberate vague promises about things he can't do anything about in a cynical attempt to get more votes. who'da thought it?

Guffaw at Ninfan

if I had any respect for you your reply would have made me think "he is a little scamp" instead it makes you look like a slimy creep who twists and turns to avoid the truth.

If you read the article you will see that immigration from outside the EU is rising just as quickly! so leaving the EU will not solve it.

Again, ECHR (condition of EU membership) assures right to family life, so having accepted some, we have to accept their spouses etc. and cannot return others.

Leave EU, no longer bound by ECHR, control returned to UK Parliament - in the meantime we are bound to accept.

FWIW the wording was if you elect a conservative govt.

They didn't, everyone knows that thry didn't, there was a coalition.

in fact I recall you quite clearly pointing out at the time that the conservatives didn't have a mandate - if they didn't have a mandate, then clearly they didn't have a mandate to restrict immigration, did they?

Leave EU, no longer bound by ECHR,

Its why CMD wants to leave the later and negotiate to stay in the former

At least your posting is consistent on this thread 😉

At least he has learnt from his ill thought and poorly researched promise to reduce migration.

In two years time he will have agreed an entire new EU constitution so we can have a referendum on it. And we all know how the EU likes to fit in with our plans and timescales.

😆 or 🙄

I think you will find that the European Court of Human Rights is NOT an EU institution, and we are not bound to be a signatory of this if we want EU membership. The Lisbon Treaty merely made the EU a fellow signatory of this but also accession states must sign the declaration, there is no legal commitment from current members, of which we are one.

stop reading the Daily Fail.

This thread just proves what I've always said about politics.... that politicians bicker and argue and make changes while the Good Ship Britain ploughs on, her course hardly deviating from that set by the rest of the world and Europe.

Same as climate change really....

The positive spin on this is that he's fixed the economy so well that people want to come here in preference to anywhere else. I know, why don't all the Tory & DC haters put their money and principles where their mouths are and leave the UK and emmigrate to Poland, Slovenia etc. as its so bad here, alledgedly, and will only get worse over another 5 years under the Tories. That'll balance out the net figure nicely.

Well since immigrants are an essential part of the recovery this can only be good news. Remove free movement from Europe and the UK's debt would go up. If there were to be zero net migration the Office of Budget Responsibility say the public debt would be around 145% of GDP by 2062, as opposed to 73% of GDP with high net migration.

Who wins this one then? The austerity mongers or the bigots?

(sauce- http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/)

I know, why don't all the Tory & DC haters put their money and principles where their mouths are and leave the UK

I think Wobbliscott that unfortunately it would not balance out, as if you look at the % of people who did not vote Tory, it far outweighs the number that did. So your idea would see a mass exodus even by biblical standards.