[Closed] Lets talk about Man Utd

United fans need to get used to a new reality, they will change managers just as often as any other team now, maybe even more frequently as they try and find their feet after the Fergi reign.

As they did between Busby and Fergie, they have had 2 long serving managers, and 20-30 who have lasted just as long as managers at other clubs.

He has been an absolute disaster - really hope he stays.
Saying that, he seems a decent bloke and did a decent job at Everton - pretty poor of United not to come out and dispel the rumours and leave him dangling but as Junkyard says, they've got to tell the stock exchange first. Regardless of who they get in its not going to be a quick fix. They need a whole new defence, two central midfielders and are saddled with a declining Rooney earning megabucks, expecting to be captain and have a say in future transfers as well. You can't just spend £100m on 5 pr 6 players and expect them to gel - look at Spurs. They'll do really well to avoid a lengthy decline akin to Liverpool post 1990.

pretty poor of United not to come out and dispel the rumours and leave him dangling but as Junkyard says,

I'd be amazed if he wasn't already aware of what was going to happen tomorrow.

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He's been a dead man walking for a while. That picture of the Everton fan dressed as the grim reaper is priceless. Sad fact is that ManU are still getting worse. Moyes hasn't helped himself by firing the back room staff and getting all his mates in, in the transfer market his sole pre-season signing was Felini as the BBC point out why would you trust him with the squad rebuilding job. He seemed a decent manager but football isn't kind to those who can't deliver the results.

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I'd be amazed if he wasn't already aware of what was going to happen tomorrow.

Yeah, JY, what [i]aren't[/i] you telling us?

but football isn't kind to those who can't deliver the results.

The Premier League need a healthy Man U like F1 needs a healthy Ferrari - they are the recognisable brand within a brand for the overseas (asian) market.

If you were a first class manager at another top club elsewhere in the world settled in your role (i.e. the sort of leader united are probably looking for) you would have to think long and hard before leaving all that and taking the job - it could go through a few hands before they settle down at or near the top of the pile again.

There was a piece a while ago about how much them not being in the Champs League next season would cost them, it figured because of their popularity overseas & income they can survive a season out of it, but 2 or 3 seasons would be troublesome...

And without the Champions League they won't attract top players. It'd be a bonus for them if they miss out on the Europa League next season to solely concentrate on the league.

and how will this make Man U better?

Less games to play, similar to Liverpool this season, their squad is fresher as they've not played as many games as city or Chelsea.

Sorry I meant sacking Moyes, most people seem to blame him one minute and the Glazers the next, though why the people who put the windows in have to do with it I have no idea.

Done deal.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27107795

Time to laugh at all the united fans who crowed so loudly about giving their managers time 😆

...and he's gone. No surprise there then - what a mess for him!

Million new threads coming in 5....4....3...

One of the hardest jobs in the world, impossible to take and impossible to turn down.

Dammit!

Is this on Ebay yet?

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17 million? For abject failure...

As long as the same parasites are running the club as a cash cow, then I can't see how this is possibly going to help matters.

I never thought I'd quote Terry Chrisian, but he said something bang on, on the radio this morning. A fish rots from the head. The problem isn't the manager. The problem is the way the club has been run for the last 6-7 years. Its a mess!! This was always going to happen. Its a testament to Fergie that he managed to paper over the cracks for this long. There will be no quick fix. Whoever takes over will still be faced with the same problems, and unless things fundamentally change at the top (i.e. get rid of the leeches who 'own' the club) then this is merely the start of a long, expensive, Liverpool-style decline

I feel for the guy.

But body language gave it away a long time ago. The fit was never there.

17 million? For abject failure...

If you're talking about his payout, sounds like there was a clause in his contract allowing him to be sacked if he didn't achieve a CL place.

binners they are giving near on a 1/4million in the hope it'll buy success.

Can't you see that football isn't about a sport or hobby? Its about buying results. Don't try and approach romanticing it.

Binners - you need to take it a level above that IMO.

binners they are giving near on a 1/4million in the hope it'll buy success.

Yeah… so they say. I'll believe it when I see it. And if they do, then its just blind panic as they realise that their bloodsucking over the years has inevitably destroyed the goose that lays the golden eggs. They've destroyed their precious 'brand'. Typical financiers. They know the price of everything, and the value of nothing 🙄

Maybe they need a true authority on the game to take over then? You had any approaches yet Hora?

oops I mean going on a 1/4 billion.

1/4million is Huddersfield Towns budget.

Maybe they need a true authority on the game to take over then? You had any approaches yet Hora?

Well the last manager wasn't their first choice was he...

1/4 billion doesn't even begin to cover what they're leveraged buyout has cost the club in interest payments alone. Without getting into the hundreds of millions they've paid themselves in the process. All money that should have been used over the years to rebuild the squad. Not to prop up ailing malls in America

oh well...what do I know!

😆

Gutted. 🙁

binners, as a plastic United fan surely all you care about is buying success next season?

[i]oops I mean going on a 1/4 billion.[/i]

Trouble is there are now more rich clubs willing to spend big bucks on top players....than there are top players!

Interesting times ahead!

Well looks like he is ready for a trip to the north east then...

And now time for Man U to hit the manager merry go round, if the previous lot gave fergie a chance, his achievements kept him there. The guys who give people a chance are no longer at Man U, so time for the Chelski approach and 1 (or 2) managers a season for the next 5 years and then install a stannah stair lift to get fergie in and out of the dugouts 🙂

Couldn't have happened to a nicer club.

Trouble is there are now more rich clubs willing to spend big bucks on top players

OOF! People took the piss out of Chelski when Abrama took over but apart from the money who else was there to compete with Man Ures spend? 😉

The difference is that United spent the income it generated, as it was a massively profitable business.

[i]The difference is that United spent the income it generated, as it was a massively profitable business.[/i]

Indeed...please don't bring Chelski into it....we are not talking about Clubs who have bought their Trophies!

The financial fair play rules were brought in to protect the big established clubs positions, now that one of them is outside the CL at the wrong time, I wonder how long the rules will last. I bet this was never envisaged when the rules were created.

United was in the right position at the right time to take advantage of the new wealth generated by the premier league and CL expansion. Now they are in the wrong position at the wrong time.

As long as the same parasites are running the club as a cash cow, then I can't see how this is possibly going to help matters.

I never thought I'd quote Terry Chrisian, but he said something bang on, on the radio this morning. A fish rots from the head. The problem isn't the manager. The problem is the way the club has been run for the last 6-7 years. Its a mess!! This was always going to happen. Its a testament to Fergie that he managed to paper over the cracks for this long. There will be no quick fix. Whoever takes over will still be faced with the same problems, and unless things fundamentally change at the top (i.e. get rid of the leeches who 'own' the club) then this is merely the start of a long, expensive, Liverpool-style decline

This ^^

I wasn't a fan of Moyes, but he had a very difficult job and should have been given more time.
Who next?
Mourinho as an outside bet?

The search has begun...
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Although that wasn't where I expected them to start.

I think the players need to take a long hard look at themselves. Yes Moyes looked well out of his depth, but skilled professionals on huge salaries (and Fellaini 😛 ) shouldn't be sulking like little kids and looking like they can't be arsed.

The difference is that United spent the income it generated, as it was a massively profitable business.

They still spend lots. Lets not forget Chelsea, City had to build squads up from a long way off.

Now other Prem teams are up there and spending similar amounts keeping their teams topped up like Man U I cant see Man U ever having the same dominance, no?

Out of interest, do you follow a particular club, Hora? Or is a lot of this just Binners baiting?

Now other Prem teams are up there and spending similar amounts keeping their teams topped up like Man U I cant see Man U ever having the same dominance, no?

I wasn't a fan of Moyes, but he had a very difficult job and should have been given more time.
Who next?

I'm still struggling to see exactly what it was Moyes "had" that made him a shoe in for the job in the first place.
10 years of upper mid table regularity without ever winning anything of note. Was that enough?

Out of interest, do you follow a particular club, Hora? Or is a lot of this just Binners baiting?

Y'know, like the 5live commentators and pundits - he's keeping allegiances quiet while helping the threads chug along interspersing them with his razor sharp insights into the game.

Y'know, like the 5live commentators and pundits

Out of interest, do you follow a particular club, Hora? Or is a lot of this just Binners baiting?

Apart from 5 aside, but thats about as far as my interest goes with football. Its more a mans soap series than actually interesting to watch.

At least I'm honest, most working class men pretend to follow a team so they fit in.

You are the diamond in the rough, Hora.

They still spend lots. Lets not forget Chelsea, City had to build squads up from a long way off.

Now other Prem teams are up there and spending similar amounts keeping their teams topped up like Man U I cant see Man U ever having the same dominance, no?

City were bottom feeders,yes, but Chelsea were already up there challenging the Utd/Arsenal dominance at home and not doing badly in Europe either, playing some lovely football too! It wouldn't have taken £200m+ to turn us in to world beaters!
What might have been...

You are the diamond in the rough, Hora.

I know, when I'm sat with the other plumbers on a job I always get ribbed about my manbag and skin care products as well.

I'm still struggling to see exactly what it was Moyes "[b]had[/b]" that made him a shoe in for the job in the first place.
10 years of upper mid table regularity without ever winning anything of note. Was that enough?

Weegie heritage innit.

Yes Moyes looked well out of his depth, but skilled professionals on huge salaries (and Fellaini ) shouldn't be sulking like little kids and looking like they can't be arsed.

THM also had a point about how his body language and demeanour always looked wrong. Its like he does not know how to be favourites and attack - our away record is impressive but home has been dire.

I'm still struggling to see exactly what it was Moyes "had" that made him a shoe in for the job in the first place.

If you look what he did at Everton, it was about building a good squad (as a certain Mr Martinez can testify) on a budget. Thats the key. With the Glazers milking the club for all its worth, there will be the odd [s]panic[/s] high-profile signing, but the debts mean that any United manager simply doesn't have any money to play with. Whatever squad they build will have to be done on the cheap

We keep hearing all these rumours (where do they originate I wonder?) about big money available for high profile players. But they said that last year. And what happened? THIS is what happened…..

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Him and mata that was how much again?

They are not as rich as city but lets not plead poverty here Binners

Yes JY But United are the richest club in the world. They generate enormous revenue, and are massively profitable. United should be perfectly placed to take advantage of the fair play rules because of this.They should be competing in the transfer market with Real and Barca. But all those profits have been trousered by the Glazers instead, while they spend the bare minimum to maintain a squad capable of competing at this level. So they panicked and bought Mata. Who else? Which other world class players have arrived at a club (barring VP who was a snip because of the length of time left on his contract) with Champions League winning pretensions? Smalling? Jones? Young? Cleverley?

Who next? Andy Carrol?

Actually…. that wouldn't surprise me any more.

They wouldn't have sacked Moyes if there was no money to spend in the summer. They sacked him cos they didn't trust him to spend it but they've got no chance of attracting a top manager if there's no cash.

If however they offer the job to Roberto Martinez or Tony Pulis!!!

#crystalpulis

If you look what he did at Everton, it was about building a good squad (as a certain Mr Martinez can testify) on a budget. Thats the key.

Suburbanreuben - Thats kind of my point. He was obviously brought in to work a miracle while spending no money. Lets have a look at the United transfer rumours in the summer….

Allegedly they were going to outbid Real for Bale. Then Fabregas was coming from Barca. Then Fellaini arrived instead. So I'd take with a bucket of salt any rumours about supposed summer spending sprees, because its got a very familiar ring to it. You've got to ask, when these rumours and speculation arise, whose interests are being served by them appearing in the press?

Gollum's gone, huzzah.

But to be honest all premier league managers are the public face of the club, so they are seen as where the buck should stop. True even when others, like chief execs, make poor decisions influential in why a team aint performing. In this case they didnt bolster the squad enough when they tried and had let David Gill go, a bad management decision.

Pardew is on a similar tight rope, no recent performances yet has had arguably his best players sold from under him. Cabaye. Ashley looks upon them as assets and when the asset reaches great market value he sells which is a bit of a short term game.

Hardly worthy of the Old Trafford hot seat.

Fergie picked Moyes either as he knew it would make him look better (wouldn't surprise me) or because he though he would be the right man to rebuild united going forward. Turns out he was right in the first one and we will never know on the second. I'd expect Moyes to go on from this and either prove a lot of folk wrong or end up as a 2 year at every top flight club manager.

The only managers that would take the job after fergie from the list the Man U fans deem worthy of them would all tell them where to shove it, ageing squad and unrealistic expectations post fergie. The next on the list would be the big name severance package lot (see Chelsea/Man City rejects)

This made me laugh:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10779287/Manchester-United-prepared-to-see-if-Bayern-Munich-coach-Pep-Guardiola-would-take-over-at-Old-Trafford.html

I imagine he'd jump at the chance of leaving an unsuccessful club like Bayern for the opportunity to boost Utd into the Europa next year.

I honestly believe that Fergie thought Moyes could do the job of steadying ManU after his departure and maybe even doing better. It just it turns out Moyes doesn't have it. Happens all the time in business.

It's hard to know what's going on upstairs at ManU. Giving Rooney a long contract why, when he simply isn't good enough, then spending a fortune on Mata who plays in a similar position.

They should be competing in the transfer market with Real and Barca.

Well Barca have been somewhat bending the rules on transfers for a while, so not sure anyone could truly compete with them. Look at the dodgy deals around Naymar.

Where will Moyes end up? Swansea, Norwich? It's a long road back for his career now.

It's hard to know what's going on upstairs at ManU. Giving Rooney a long contract why, when he simply isn't good enough, then spending a fortune on Mata who plays in a similar position.

It's about image. Players generally don't leave Man Utd - because it's the 'biggest club in the world' - they get moved on by the club when the time is right. While Fergie could and should have got shot of Rooney a couple of years ago, such a departure at the start of the Moyes era wouldn't have gone down as well.

If they've got any sense they'll ship him out at the end of the season.

Trouble is they've got gaps to plug in virtually every area of the field.

Never mind Rooney and the insanity of his £300 grand a week. They gave Nani a new 5 year contract! 😯 I wouldn't give him his bus fare home. He's absolutely bloody hopeless!!!

I really hope that Giggs gets the, er, gig for a bit longer than until the end of the season.
He won't be putting up with any slackness.
But United don't have the balls that Liverpool had when appointing King Kenny.

The only managers that would take the job after fergie from the list the Man U fans deem worthy of them would all tell them where to shove it

Apparently Jose cried when he did not get the job so I think that is a little OTT

Did Ferguson never think that the Glazers would be bad for the club and oppose them? - he (and arguably Bobby Charlton) is the only person who could have stopped the plundering of the club but he chose to stand by and watch and even approve (maybe because of his spat with the previous owners over a racehouse ffs!).

He did work a miracle last year when winning the title as his gamble on RVP paid off big time but he left the club in a shambles.

The players have also proven themselves to be spineless - no pride or grit in evidence at all.

The only vaguely commendable thing over the past season is not appointing Mourinho due to his appalling standards of behaviour.

It will be interesting to see who the next manager will be. Klopp would be a breath of fresh air but has said he does not want the job.

Anyone who thinks Giggs should be given a crack is insane.

The only vaguely commendable thing over the past season is not appointing Mourinho due to his appalling standards of behaviour.

Yeah right...cause SAF has been such a model of good behaviour & restraint over the years.... 🙄

Yeah right...cause SAF has been such a model of good behaviour & restraint over the years....

I am no Ferguson lover and agree that his behaviour has been curmugeonly over a long period (and reprehensible at times) but Mourinho takes it to a whole new level. Ask Anders Frisk, Jose Guardiola and Tito Vilanova.

Mourinho is just emulating what he has seen Fergi get away with for years. The only difference is when Fergi did it, all the media went "cooo he is such a genius at mind games" where as with Mourinho they have started to show it for what it is.

In fact one of the interesting things this season has been watching the media re-appraisal over their handling of united.

Anyone who thinks Giggs should be given a crack is insane

There has got to be a joke in there about Ryans peccadillos 😉

I think the whole affair shows football for what it really is, sadly Rugby seems to be going in the same direction.

Anyone who thinks Giggs should be given a crack is insane

Buys them time though. Hes got nothing to muck up has he so kinda ideal.

There has got to be a joke in there about Ryans peccadillos

something something balls deep something etc

Did Ferguson never think that the Glazers would be bad for the club and oppose them? - he (and arguably Bobby Charlton) is the only person who could have stopped the plundering of the club but he chose to stand by and watch and even approve

Fergie talks about this in his autobiography. Something along the lines of that side of it is none of his business...his job and what he was paid to do was to manage the team.

Interesting for 24-36 hours but I hope news broadcasters bring back some perspective soon. Beeb website is somewhat skewed in terms of the actual important of this story. Bored of the radio coverage already although it makes you think that MU have a sustained period of restructuring ahead of them.

New golf courses - owner 1, invests and loses it all. Owner 2 buys distressed asset but still loses it all. Owner 3 buys distressed asset amd finally makes a return. SAF successor 1 is a bit like owner 1. It didn't matter who was chosen it was never going to work IMO. Not sure the next guy will succeed either.

Hopefully back pages tomorrow though.

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I think the whole affair shows football for what it really is

A business?

I wasn't a fan of Moyes, but he had a very difficult job and should have been given more time.