[Closed] Lets talk about Man Utd

I'm sure it was exactly the same when Liverpool's 80s reign ended.

Of course it wasn't. Nor was it United fans doing the cheerleading. 😀

Surely even the scouters want a competitive United. It was more fun when Liverpool were competitive. You remember that season? It leads to so-near-yet-so-far moments of shear genius like this….

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Happy for you to enjoy it lads. If thats what gives you pleasure, crack on!

I used to think that binners until I started enjoying this season so much. 😀

How come some United fans can't accept that most non-United fans are enjoying the team that has dominated the Premiership for so long being in a spot of bother?

I have never got why fayns would rather hate some other team than support their own. We all like football why not just discuss it as we would anything else its shared interested and we do not need to behave like it is a childish tribal rivalry and hate the other school in town.

DD [ assuming what you say is correct as I have no desire to discuss] two wrongs dont make a right

Why can you not see that it would be better [ as fan and as a human being] to support your own team. Liverpool may well win the league this season, certainly best chance for decades and you would rather focus on Man u being crap this year.

I can focus on both thanks. TBH though I'm not half as into football as I used to be - I've been enjoying Liverpool's season a lot but I feel that given that I haven't really cared that much about football for a while it would make me a bit of a fair-weather supporter/glory-hunter if I went on about Liverpool too much.

Whereas schadenfreude over Man U can be enjoyed by anyone, at any time. 🙂

I have never got why fayns would rather hate some other team than support their own. We all like football why not just discuss it as we would anything else its shared interested and we do not need to behave like it is a childish tribal rivalry and hate the other school in town.

Football is a childish tribal rivalry though - I don't really see the problem (apart from people taking it too seriously).

Surely even the scouters want a competitive United.

Nope!

Football is a childish tribal rivalry though - I don't really see the problem

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JY, the thread is about Man Utd. I'm afraid the schadenfreude is going to be unavoidable. I've enjoyed the mickey taking as well as trying to discuss things sensibly when it's called for. Good natured banter is fine as long as you don't allow your hatred of another team cloud your judgement so much that you lose all perspective. See eg some posts on this thread and on the Cantona thread where people were masturbating about the possibility of the punched photographer being a Liverpool fayn.

Have you ever been to a football match JY? Did you notice how everyone behaves?

Getting incredibly excited/shouting about the people in the middle kicking a ball around, singing daft songs, or perhaps getting in a rage about the referee/opposing fans - it's not exactly a rational, grown-up activity. If football fans were completely rational and sensible they wouldn't be football fans.

Why not just enjoy it for what it is and not take it so seriously?

Man United were/are a great team that played some nice football, and Ferguson was basically a genius - but personally I couldn't stomach the arrogance/bullying. Do I have to say I like them otherwise I'm bitter and childish?

Personally, im praying that a oil rich billionaire will buy United and pump about £900 million into 7 or 8 mega signings, thereby effectively purchasing/securing future league and cup wins.

That's the way I like to see my football club run these days.

Ideally if we can play without a single rubbish English player and only use quality foreign signings then even better.

And lets see those season ticket prices rise too whilst we're at it, keep the riff raff out.

Man U to win the CL 😆

May I remind you this is a team including such 'quality' as Jones, Rafael and Cleverly in it!!

Its fast getting to the point where there more Clubs with money to spend, than there are quality players to buy.

Spurs being an obvious example.....a quick £107m spent on players and not one of them is good enough to improve a half decent team.

Pretty soon half the Brazilian blokes between the ages of 18 and 30 are going to be living in London or Alderly Edge and keeping car dealerships afloat 😀

And lets see those season ticket prices rise too whilst we're at it, keep the riff raff out.

Always makes me giggle when I see the welsh-company coaches parked up in the layby's nearby on match day at Man U.

See eg some posts on this thread and on the Cantona thread where people were masturbating about the possibility of the punched photographer being a Liverpool fayn.

Have you ever been to a football match JY?

Did you notice how everyone behaves?

Yes i do ...not pretty or edifying is it? Am i allowed to criticise it or not?

Why not just enjoy it for what it is and not take it so seriously?

Man United were/are a great team that played some nice football, and Ferguson was basically a genius - but personally I couldn't stomach the arrogance/bullying. Do I have to say I like them otherwise I'm bitter and childish?

However if we start calling him bacon face [ of course Pool fans dont do this DD 😉 ] we may have overstepped the line of sensible grown up discourse and that never happens on STW 😛

Despite your wishes for a flounce Grum its more a resigned shrug about how the handringers behave when football is involved.

In general there is a lot for you to enjoy about our annus horriblis this year and it may not be over yet. I forsee at least one more home drubbing but if i was a pool fan I would be dreaming of the premiership rather than our demies

Bayern it is then.

They'll probably beat them.

I have never got why fayns would rather hate some other team than support their own. We all like football why not just discuss it as we would anything else its shared interested and we do not need to behave like it is a childish tribal rivalry and hate the other school in town.

Clearly you've never been to Wales or Scotland.

Second leg at home for BM is key. Difficult to predict anything other than Bayern going through but anything can happen.

My god its really is the ABU's week for schadenfreude 😉

First Irleand DD then old trafford and now this..its a good week in DD towers

You would need to be a very passionate man u fan to think we stand a chance of even a respectful defeat.

Clearly you've never been to Wales or Scotland.

LOW was awfully competitive

My god its really is the ABU's week for schadenfreude

Fight! Fight!

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EEK!! Mind you: whoever we got, its a case of EEK!!!! 😯

We've got a great record against Pep Guardiola though. Oh… wait... hang on a minute…

Nowt to lose now though. I never thought we'd get this far. And neither did anyone else. So we might as well go for it, all out, and get stuffed 10 nil, so it should be a good 'un!

and get stuffed 10 nil

that'll be just in the first leg... 😆

Nowt to lose now though. I never thought we'd get this far. And neither did anyone else. So we might as well go for it, all out, and get stuffed 10 nil, so it should be a good 'un!

This is the key to the rest of Utd's season. They can use a 'nothing to lose' all-out performance in the CL to get going in the PL as well. I would have thought Bayern would be very wary of Man U, even though they go in as massive favourites.

If Arsenal had 11 men, we'd have run them close, they weren't THAT great!

I was amused by Moyes assertion about three days after the Liverpool defeat that the players and management 'felt the fans pain'. I imagine that the £125k or so that Rooney trousered in those three days might have helped with the 'pain'.

Still, it's not actually necessary for the fans to feel any pain at all. They could just say "actually I'm sick of wasting my money on this circus" and walk away.

It's all a bit daft, really. It's only a game.

Boop!

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That was a bit special! He looks hell bent on a hat trick

Ready for your shafting on a epic scale by 11 foreign men in your own 'home' tonight? 😆

All queuing up to bang It in repeatdly. 😀

You may well be speaking a bit soon there hora. However, I bow to your footballing insight. What's your prediction for this evening?

Good start for Man U.

*coughs*

wiziwig is a bit slow this evening 😐

Yup it's getting hammered, can't find a working Acestream let alone an English stream for the gooner game.

Yup it's getting hammered, can't find a working Acestream let alone an English stream for the gooner game.

Trust me. You don't want to be watching it 🙁

Tempted to turn it back off rather than spend two hours of my life making myself feel shit.

On a sidenote bony has just scored a fantastic header,come on swansea 😀

Noisy neighbours getting noiser.

In other news, Bayern Munich have won the Bundesliga, so they can now put all of their focus into their Champons League tie with Man U.

Oh, and Arsenal are currently sucking the life out of me...

In other news, Bayern Munich have won the Bundesliga

Only seven exhibition games to play.

Ok hora, you weren't speaking too soon. 😀

As much as I've never been happy about Moyes getting the job, I'm a big believer in players taking responsibility when they cross the white line. Tactics and politics must be cast aside when players don't pick up, don't make runs, don't look for the ball, don't put in a shift etc. I don't give a * if they don't believe in the manager - they're paid a * load of cash to perform. Fans have every right to be ****** off with them when they don't.

Aggregate scores this season:

Liverpool 4 Man United 0
Chelsea 3 Man United 1
Man City 7 Man United 1

1 point from 18

Three in a row. Nice. 😀

Deadly' I imagine binners is sharpening his hora killing knife 😮

have we not reached the point where we are so inept you feel sorry for us 😉

Started poorly and never got any better.
It will do for the season and his first year
He does look out his depth but the players have been poor as well.

have we not reached the point where we are so inept you feel sorry for us

I can't quite gather any sympathy JY, but I watched the first half - they looked very very poor. Did Moyes leave Fellaini on for the 90? He looked like he was going to get sent off. WTF is Mata doing hanging around the left - he's not a crosser of the ball at all. It's mere conjecture of course but even with RVP tonight, City would more than likely have own it. Even some of the more reliable players are looking poor now - Carrick eg. was being dispossessed easily and giving it away when he wasn't. Season write off. Massive clear out in the summer and spend whatever is raised from selling RVP. 😉 I dont think Moyes is up to the job - and he'd have to do an awful lot to get the fans to forget this season's debacle.

EDIT: what am I saying. Fans forget as soon as the results turn around. But looking at where Utd are, and who they'd have to bring in to keep up with Chelsea and City, I'm not sure there's enough money to do it in one summer is there?

Hora. I've put the contract out already.

Woeful! Never turned up. again. At home FFS!!! I've said all along you can't blame Moyes. The players have to shoulder some responsibility! There's absolutely no pace. No urgency. No desire. Nothing! All the stuff that United sides have always been about.If you can't be bothered to turn up for home games against City and Liverpool, then you 're wearing the wrong shirt. Big clear out needed at the end of this season!

[s]Fair assessment DD

Many of the players have shown themselves to be poor this season , perhaps that is how good SAF really was.
Your right about Moyes he does look clueless and he has not improved his record against the big teams. We will finish below Everton ..Jose would never have done this to us though I have to declare thinking Moyes was the correct choice.

BINBINS perhaps it is what SAF did imagine what he would have done to them at Half time and FT after pool!!

this makes it a bit harder for the True Enemy to win the league, so in a way I'm happy.

Shit the bed...Bayern's season...

Played 27, won 25, drawn 2, goal difference 66. 😯

The players were so poor tonight. Slack passes, lack of motivation, non existent communication. Hard to say if that's the Moyes factor but they looked liked a bunch of overpaid lazy pricks tonight

Goldstein finally having a right go at Moyes on TalkSport. Have been wanting him to kick off like this for weeks. Can't disagree with a word he's said so far.

this makes it a bit harder for the True Enemy to win the league, so in a way I'm happy.

A truer perspective on how bad a season it's been you won't find.

EDIT: minus the lol out of respect for JY and binbins.

Chelsea winning the league will be a loss for us all.

The Man U fans i know have been very dignified about the whole affair.
Its actually quite hard to take the piss. Welcome to the world of underachievement.

A truer perspective on how bad a season it's been you won't find.

Shit the bed...Bayern's season...

Played 27, won 25, drawn 2, goal difference 66

@Junkyard I'm surprised to see you think this season has been good enough, I personally never imagined a scenario where United missed the champions league, at this rate they won't even make the Europa.

@Junkyard I'm surprised to see you think this season has been good enough, I personally never imagined a scenario where United missed the champions league

Why exactly? City, Chelsea & Liverpool have all made progress Arsenal are having a good year, Spurs are in the mix too. Thats 5 teams for 4 places already, things are evening out a bit. Man U were never going to respond well to losing a long running manager.

@deadlarcy that's what happens when one club has much more money than the rest and is able to buy the best players from the second best club.

You don't say!!

I reckon Germany will still be in the final four at the World Cup though. So at least when the dust settles on the season, the fans can all join together and cheer on their excellent national side. No fear of the premier league ever providing the ammunition for England to do the same. 😐

Missing the Europa is hardly a bad thing....

They had a good spell just before half time but apart from that they were pretty average

Fellani and cleverly are only good against bottom half opposition. Rafael was less disastrous than usual, and Mata looked comfortable on the ball when he was central

One of the (many) problems is that when Rooney plays up front and doesn't get the ball he drops very deep to get it, which means there's no one up front to hold up play and take pressure off the awful defence.

Can see us being an Arsenal for the next 3-5 years. Although if the big sponsors pull out we're utterly f*cked

It's staggering to think this team won the league by 11 points last season. Will go down as one of Fergie's greatest achievements surely. The manager has to take the blame for the epic decline, similarly to Mancini's spectacular underachievement last season, why sign Mata and shunt him out on the wing? Surely they won't let him spend the money in the summer, given the debacle this season. Who will want to play for him, no Champions League either.

Missing the Europa is hardly a bad thing....

Next year the winners get a CL place, so not quite as useless as it once was.

In other news. This is a yellow.

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I guess if it had been a red, then Kieran Gibbs would have been off again.

@mike Chelsea's squad are in a rebuilding mode too, City where certainly strong favourites but I didn't see Arsenal and Liverpool as being so superior to Man U this season. My point is Man U are not even close to the CL spots and that's a big surprise to me. The club are doing the right thing in publically supporting Moyes but he's lost, he may have inherited an ageing team but his one profile pre season signing was Felini who is hopeless.

Players will always want to play for Man U but without CL football they'll have to increase wages to get the top players in

They've spent the majority of the wages on Rooney!

Junkyard I'm surprised to see you think this season has been good enough,

Started poorly and never got any better.
[s]It[/s] [b]this comment[/b] will do for[b] sum up[/b] the season and his first year

Hope that clears up what I meant I actually meant to say this match and the season though so its not my finest , nor worst, warblings on here- how could any fan [ except an ABU] be happy with this?

As a City fan I am delighted by the result but tbh it is pretty much what I expected and I think we never really had to get out of second gear.

I really cannot believe that players such as Ferdinand are still in the first team and the general lack of (legal) fight from the players.

There is so much wrong with the team that I cannot see how even the most capable of managers could turn it around let alone wee Davie - may he have a long reign #SaveOurDave

Honestly Cletus I reckon Moyes can do a good/great job there, it will just take some time to sort stuff out, now financial fair play is in place the top of the table will get a bit tighter, hopefully the focus will shift back to talent development and those things. There is also some hope that the days of buying a team (something Man U fans complained about others doing) is over.

If you want complete carnage then pray for the manager swapathon that has been going on elsewhere, managing city is like managing a national side hand the board a list of players at the start of the season and wait for the coach to arrive with them on.

I for one think Moyes has done a fantastic job this season, he's broken so many old trafford records this season, the latest one was just last night, the quickest goal ever scored by an away side...

There's a lot to be said about 'fear' as a management style 😉

Everyone makes out that United had some kind of wonder-squad up until Moyes. Why couldn't Fergie buy better replacements for the ageing members? They sold Ronaldo- who did they replace him with at the time?

Moyes isn't a bad manager, hes been sold a a nice Ferrari 458 but its got 150,000miles on the clock.

Didn't everyone say last year Man U won the title because everyone else failed to turn up? What else did Man U win if they were that good a team?

Whens the last time they did the double?

They've been in/around the top 2-3 for the past 10 years... they won the league last year and finsihed near the top the season before. The players have not gone into such a decline in 1 season that they're now 7th.... that's ridiculous to think.

Even if the other teams never turned up last year, they should still be 4th, possibly 5th as Liverpool have improved of course. However, they're not.. simple as that.

They've spent £65million on 2 midfielders who were bloody awful last night, so it's not like they've not spent any money in the last 12 months either, they just spent badly.

Even if we argue a 10% drop in players due to age, that's still only 7 points worse off... but they're 15+ worse off, you're not trying to tell me the age of the squad going up by 12 months has given a 20% drop in performance ? Nah.. not having it.

The difference is the manager.. he's standing there watching them being thrashed every week and all you can see on his face is confusion... every time the cameras go to him, he looks like a lost sheep... no clue, no idea... No change of tactics, no change of formations, style or anything... just clueless.

Now, as a manager i've always rated Moyes.. i thought he did a blinding job at Everton.. However either he's not the right man for your squad, or he's the wrong man for Utd completely... i'm still not sure.

From my personal perspective, he can stay forever... i love him being there... but it's a bit confusing.

slackalice - Member
There's a lot to be said about 'fear' as a management style

I can see the owners using it on the players

"any more crap from you and we'll let Moyes stay"... that must put the fear of god into them !

hora - Member
Everyone makes out that United had some kind of wonder-squad up until Moyes. Why couldn't Fergie buy better replacements for the ageing members? They sold Ronaldo- who did they replace him with at the time?

Erm…. have you actually read any of this thread at all? Do you even possess a passing knowledge of the recent club ownership? The Glazers saddled United with 3/4 billion quids worth of debt to 'buy' the club, with crippling interest payments to service. They also ripped hundreds of millions out of the club in 'consultancy fees' to prop up their ailing American shopping malls.

All meaning they couldn't compete in the transfer market with the bigger European clubs, as it was (and still is) an economic basket case. Everyone knew that this had to come home to roost. Well it just has. Its just amazing - and a testament to Fergie - that it took this long.

I think a large part of Moyes coming in is because he's good at building squads - on a budget. They're now saying that there will be money to spend in the summer. Well we've heard that before. Last season for instance. When they bought in… erm… Fellaini (who should have been off for that ridiculous challenge last night).

The decline will continue until the club addresses the real problem. Its parasitic owners!!! The fact that the most profitable club in the world has been reduced to this stands as a testament to not only United, but to the whole of English football.

So with that thinking binners.

Seen Liverpools expenditure versus Man U's over the past few years?

Erm…. have you actually read any of this thread at all? Do you even possess a passing knowledge of the recent club ownership? The Glazers saddled United with 3/4 billion quids worth of debt to 'buy' the club, with crippling interest payments to service. They also ripped hundreds of millions out of the club in 'consultancy fees' to prop up their ailing American shopping malls.

I wonder how many people on this thread had or know someone who said they had a 'trial with Man U' etc?

We did this 7 pages ago. Go back and have a read. Liverpool generates nowhere near the same income as United. So it stands to reason that they United spend more. They have too. Though there's been the odd £35 million splurge on genuine world class talent 😀 Liverpool haven't been genuine contenders (until now) for years (they finished 28 points behind united last season - for some perspective). They've not even made the CL (again - until now).

The irony of all this is that with the financial fair play rules in place United should be the one club to seriously benefit from them - as they generate the most revenue. Does that look like happening? What do you think?

Anyway…. I'm getting a feeling of deja vu.

In which time as I posted earlier Man U won multiple League Titles and Cups including the Champions League.

Squads age though. So its the law of diminishing returns unless you invest in the same level. Which they haven't. For the reasons stated above. And the panic buys of Mata and Fellaini are too little, too late. That isn't what building a squad is about

Binners -
...All meaning they couldn't compete in the transfer market with the bigger European clubs

The Glazers took over in 2003:

Rio Ferdinand £27,550,000
Gabriel Heinze £6,900,000
Alan Smith £7,000,000
Louis Saha £12,820,000
Cristiano Ronaldo £12,200,000
Wayne Rooney £27,000,000
Nemanja Vidic £7,000,000
Michael Carrick £18,600,000
Anderson £15,000,000
Owen Hargreaves £17,000,000
Carlos Tevez £9,000,000
Nani £13,500,000
Demitar Berbatov £30,750,000
Antonio Valencia £16,000,000
Chris Smalling £10,000,000
Phil Jones £17,000,000
David De Gea £18,900,000
Ashley Young £17,000,000
Shinji Kagawa £12,000,000
Robin Van Persie £22,000,000
Wilfred Zaha £15,000,000
Marouane Fellaini £27,500,000
Juan Mata £37,100,000

That's a lot of spending with a mighty headstart.

Antonio Valencia £16,000,000
Chris Smalling £10,000,000
Phil Jones £17,000,000
David De Gea £18,900,000
Ashley Young £17,000,000
Shinji Kagawa £12,000,000
Robin Van Persie £22,000,000
Wilfred Zaha £15,000,000
Marouane Fellaini £27,500,000
Juan Mata £37,100,000

None are old.... where's the old squad being talked about ?

Vidic for £7m. Now that was good business. Some bloody awful deals in the latter end of Fergie's reign as well as from Moyles.