[Closed] Lets talk about Man Utd

If you are a Liverpool fan you will know its about more than that 🙄

I watched the MOTD2 footage. Vidic's foot is clearly underneath Sturridge's foot

I think you need your eyes testing. From one angle I can see what you're explaining, from another there's clear daylight between the feet.

I support neither team by the way, but it wasn't a penalty.

(The Carrick one was though)

It's just a game, don't take it so seriously.

Its all pretty mute [ was it or was it not a penalty]we were shit Liverpool looked good and the real issue is whether they will win the league.IMHO you have to say they are in with a shout on this form.
Interesting finish ahead for the top 4 as to who will win out. Could go to any of them tbh.

Moyes looks increasingly out his depth No special one team would have done this and he may not be up to the task.

Only comment in fact when its about Man U, always negatively and then call it banter when you do ...its the grown up thing to do

What would you call it? Bullying? 🙂

Supporting a football team isn't really a grown up activity IMO. Lots of people take it far too seriously.

If you are a Liverpool fan you will know its about more than that

See?

*smug Liverpool support comment and long awaited schadenfreude joke*

9 games to go...

Ok Grum I think thats a bit lost on you 🙄

I assumed it was a reference to the Shankly quote - I don't have to agree with it though do I?

In the digital world that football fans like to inhabit sometimes (probably guilty of it myself in the past), it was a dive and according to the rule book, Sturridge should have been booked and we should all be outraged. Back in the analogue real world, we've all seen penalties given when there was far more fresh air than that between defender and attacker. Vidic's challenge was foolish. In any football league, an attacker is going to buy a penalty from a challenge which completely misses the ball and comes into all-but contact with an attacker in full flight. I might be outraged about it if I thought it might ever change things. Can't hear many Utd fans whinging about it today as they know it made bugger all difference in a game where they may well have lost by five or six. (And that's not meant to be rubbing it in.)

From a neutral: United well beaten, sporting dynasties don't have a divine right to last forever, teams dont have the divine right to win every game. I hope Moyes can turn it around, is Brendan Rogers a football genius is he better than Moyes? Is Moyes better than say Harry Redknapp? Its all about money.

Premiership Football is so far removed from real life its like getting all vexed that Zeus got beaten up by Poseiden 😕

So speaking of Greek gods, anyone else hoping for a little more humiliation for certain team tonight?

Yes the Sturridge pen was a dive, but the Carrick foul later on was a penalty (which wasn't given) so all square then 🙂 And Liverpool didn't get a goal out of either.

it's been said before but to win well you need to learn to lose well.

At least they are getting plenty of practice

I'd like to see them go through tonight and then draw Barcelona or Bayern in the last eight. 😀

Rooney dived too BTW - then angrily demanded a penalty.

I'd like them to go through too, then beat City. Give Moyes as long a stint as possible before getting sacked. 🙂

So - anyone think that a bad result (ie, hit for 4 or 5 tonight which, given current form and confidence, could happen) might lead to Moyes downfall?

[i]So - anyone think that a bad result (ie, hit for 4 or 5 tonight which, given current form and confidence, could happen) might lead to Moyes downfall?[/i]

Well seeing as most Clubs panic when relegation suddenly looms on the horizon, I would say no. Despite their situation, they aren't going to get relegated and a new manager wouldn't get them into the CL places....so may as well see out the season and go from there.

Which of course is continued good news for the rest of us! 🙂

I reckon Utd will win tonight but still go out. Moyes will be given time - but no more than one more season if no improvement is seen.

A strong Man U team would enhance the PL - 5 genuine title contenders has to be a good thing?

Respect to Spurs and Everton but I can't see them breaking into the top 4.

They'll definitely bounce back tonight and absolutely turn Olympiakos over!

Theres no doubt in my mind. I'm absolutely sure of it. I expect not to be uttering the phrase [b]OH FFS!!!!![/b] at all this evening. Not once.

Moyes has just been lulling everyone into a false sense of security up to this point

Good luck with that one Binners.

I think failure to go through tonight, followed by a spanking by city in 2 weeks, will see him out the door. Sort of pointless to sack him at that point, but there's a limit to how long you can tolerate the players openly refusing to play for someone.
V surprised at the pig's arse he's made of things, tbh.

I still can't believe that people think it is Moyes' fault.

I would very much like to see Liverpool win this year but equally don't want Moyes to get the tin tack. The only qulaity players they have at the moment are V Persie, Mata, Rooney and De Gea and out of the only the goalie is actually on form.

An appreciation (by the board and the fans at the match) that it is not really Moyes' fault is why he still has a job, IMO. There are limits, though.
I'd like to see him given the chance to take an axe to the squad and rebuild - not sure he'll have the opportunity.

Its not Moyes fault. Its the idle overpaid bastards on the pitch. With a couple of notable exceptions, none of them look like they can be arsed at all, with VP being the worst obvious offender. He's just having a massive Anelka like strop. I hope he's on the bench tonight. Because he hasn't done anything to justify a starting place.

Moyes needs the chance for a proper clear out. Get rid of those that are just coasting. Which is a good percentage of the squad. I'm sure he's a long list of who's going to be transfer listed literally the second the final whistle of the season blows, and we've finished way off the top 4 in the kind of place Liverpool normally occupy. With them annoyingly occupying the place we normally are.

Moyes proved he can build a good squad. Thats what he's been broughtt in to do. He'll be given the chance to do it. Not knee-jerk sacked like some of the headless chickens presently languishing in the bottom of the table

It may not be his fault but I'm still not sure he's up to the job. He just looks like a broken man and some of the stuff he comes out with sounds pretty defeatist/clueless.

I'm not sure either grum. Far from it. But there aren't any other options right now that are going to make any immediate improvements. BUt I do believe (i think like most United fans) that he needs a chance. He needs a proper transfer window, and start a season fresh. I doubt given that, we'll be where we are next year. (please god!)

We certainly should be looking to get shut of a few people, but at the moment, theres a lengthening list I'd show the door before Moyes

I really hope MU pull it off tonight and in style. But still think Moyes is sadly doomed. Ok he's inherited problems but he has to address his own body language and some crap tactics - if only for his own health. He needs to show some gravitas, he's not managing a mid table side now (sorry toffees), he's managing one of the globes biggest brands. Time to act as if you belong in the job, David old boy!! Good luck tonight.

Surely if its not Moyes fault Utd are rubbish currently, its also the case that Rodgers isn't responsible for the improvement at Liverpool?

Which is of course ridiculous.

Its Moyes fault, its his job to mould the players, improve them, give them knowledge, tactics, skills etc.

As much fun as watching Utd's decline is it's been coming, the last couple of seasons results have been ground out, they've not won a game or demolished an opposition team for a fair while.

One thing I was surprised about was the lack of boos after the game at the weekend, losing in what many people see as the biggest game of the premiership at home like that should've provoked some reaction, it's almost like the fans have slipped into some sort of coma

11 point margin with a team than looked pretty average in paper. In hindsight, and amazing achievement last season?

I'd like to see them go through tonight and then draw Barcelona or Bayern in the last eight.

Moyes proved he can build a good squad

. Ok he's inherited problems but he has to address his own body language and some crap tactics

Its hard to tell if he is out of his depth or not but it is not looking good. The team is a shambles of some of that ha to be his fault as they dont seem to want to play for him or they have no clue what he wants them to do.

Moyes is neither walking the walk, nor perhaps more importantly, talking the talk.

It's harsh to make comparisons, but, Fergie would have handled this decline VERY differently. The press would have been reminded how huge United are and how important it is to pull on the red shirt, and nothing less than the best would be expected and demanded from the players.

Personally, I feel that Fergie jumped when he saw the decline in this squad coming, I also think Moyes was doomed the moment he sacked ALL of the training staff and brought his cronies with him.

I thought Moyes deserved time, everyone keeps mentioning how Fergie turned it around after 4 years, but that's presuming Moyes is a Fergie in the making. His lack of previous success and seeming lack of tactical savvy strongly suggest otherwise.

Rogers has done a great job with the bin dippers and is just the sort of strong home grown character United should have gone for. Now I feel their best bet is to cut their losses and sign Van Gaal or Klop (whatever he's called). They desperately need an experienced manager who will command respect from the players.

I'm one of those rare United fans whom has no problem with this decline, I've enjoyed every moment of the last 20 years of unparalleled success and realise that everything is cyclical. You have to taste the bitter to enjoy the sweet, hence why the rest of the world is currently revelling so much in the current United shambles, they've been bitter for an entire generation!
Armed with the success and history I've witnessed I could genuinely never see them win the league again and still die happy.
As long as the same goes for the rat munchers down the road.

bin dippers

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Agree DD, it made his post into a complete waste of time.

right so you can make snidey shitty posts about a team you dont support but not a fairly reasonable one with a shitty snidey word in it for the teams you dont support...is that the rule then ?

Neither fills me with joy tbh....footie fans and their "banter" eh

Reasonable game so far and at least they look like a team

Binbins is he trying hard enough tonight ?

I think he's bigging up his European credentials in case other managers are watching. 😀

**** me! An actual mayn yoo team has turned up! 😀

JY - I don't swipe at other teams, ever.

Except for them ones. It's is the rules, yes

It's your behaviour and your choice slim

GET IN

I think he's bigging up his European credentials in case other managers are watching

You may be right 😥

Valencia - WTF ?
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The rat munchers down the road?

Seen the complex/area and whats happening.

Like I said; he should have left VP on the bench 😳

Moyes has brought mirth and glee to more people than any comedian in living memory..

Comedy genius

Hang on lads, there's still time for an Olympiakos goal to take them through.

I reckon Moyes will get another season.

Spring.

Who the **** are Man United?

😀

A stay of execution, but a nice result for a change.

I'm off to rob some wheels.

Well done MU - what made the big boys stand up tonight? Themselves, Moyes or both???

If you blame him when your losing you need to blame him when your winning 🙂

Good result but that's all it was. Personally I think the only side we have a chance against in the next round is PSG.

As for the PL, well, I take only a sliver of belief and conviction into Saturday's game.

Didn't see Van Persie standing up at the end.....

tonights result is the 1 step forward before the 2 steps backwards Moyes & utd fans have become used too... 😆

Better performance/result because he wasn't able to shoehorn Mata into the side with Rooney and RVP as well? Be interesting to see who they get, it may not be pretty but they may well go and win it, like Chelsea did against the odds. Could be a long 180 mins against barca, both Madrid sides, bayern and psg though 🙂

If they do win it and finish outside the top 4 I think they get into it again as winners - does this mean they take the place of the team finishing 4th or will 5 teams get in?

If they do win it and finish outside the top 4 I think they get into it again as winners - does this mean they take the place of the team finishing 4th or will 5 teams get in?

Do me a favour ... United will not win the CL this year.

Sweet - he stays in his job for a while longer. 🙂

Good result for United but let's not get carried away:

Until Olympiakos triumphed in Athens on Feb. 25, United had won all four of the previous matches between the clubs.

They have also won all five matches they have played against Greek clubs at home while Olympiakos have lost all 11 of the matches they have played in England.

Yes Grum. He does, like Rogers did last year.

I really hope Kleenex has upped their production to service all the ABUs over recent months. You'll all have to resort to old socks if they haven't.

RVP last night gave the clearest indication yet that he wants to leave Utd.

Scoring 3 goals with the world watching is a come & get me plea, proving he still can cut it at almost the highest lever.

PrinceJohn - Member
RVP last night gave the clearest indication yet that he wants to leave Utd.

Scoring 3 goals with the world watching is a come & get me plea, proving he still can cut it at almost the highest lever.

Epic fail.

Oh I dunno...I think PJ might have been taking the mickey, don't you?

Man U win the CL on their form? Give over.

For the next few seasons+ Man U will be the Arsenal of most recent seasons of the league. A v.good side but never quite making it to the title.

Thanks for your knowledgable input, as ever Hora. When we've gone 9 seasons without winning owt, I'll buy you a pint 😀

Man U win the CL on their form? Give over.

Stranger things have happened. Liverpool coming back from 3-0 down to win it springs to mind. I don't think anyone gave us a prayer of being in the quarter finals after the performance in the first leg. And it actually seems like that lack of expectation (and obvious ABU gloating) has worked quite well. If you're still in it, then it helps. City were being touted as potential winners, and where are they?

It was just great to see a United side looking like they really wanted it! Summed up by this head case. Hats off to him for staying on, and playing his socks off after receiving this in the first 10 minutes….

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Its that kind of attitude thats been sadly AWOL this season. Nice to see Rooney and VP look like they'd actually met each other before too

9 seasons? No I say 3.

He played better with one eye.......I think he should start wearing an eye patch and a bandana, maybe a big gold earing 🙂

If you're still in it, then it helps. City were being touted as potential winners, and where are they?

As soon as you stop reading the newspapers, you can enjoy the season for what it is. I was happy to see City put up a decent fight at the Nou Camp, and I read somewhere that it was the 15th anniversary of us losing at home to Oldham when we were in League 2.

When Utd have sunk that low, and come back again, some of their fans may have a better appreciation of what a disaster it is to be 7th in the PL with a Champions League quarter final coming up.

It's just a long drawn out car crash in slo-mo, that result is the 'almost saved it moment' that gives you hope.
Once sacked the genius of Moyes will never be seen in English football again. This tragicomedy is running at half speed for your viewing pleasure (unless you live in parts of Manchester or Surrey)

Man U win the CL on their form? Give over.

It's a long shot, but Liverpool won the CL in 2004/05 and finished 5th in the premiership that year with 58 points. Man U are currently sitting in 7th with 48 points, so it's not impossible that a team with rotten domestic form [i]could[/i] win it, though having watched Real the other night, and the other remaining teams being very strong, it is unlikely though history shows it's not impossible.

Good God...one win against a second rate team from Greece and some are suggesting winning the CL.....I think not!

[i]For the next few seasons+ Man U will be the Arsenal of most recent seasons of the league. A v.good side but never quite making it to the title.[/i]

As for that comment....ahem excuse me, don't have a go at Arsenal, we've been building Stadia, balancing books and still qualifying for the CL every season....better than 88 other teams in the league who don't have massive financial backing, buying their trophys for them. I think th eteam you should now compare yourselves with are Spurs! 😮

Once sacked the genius of Moyes will never be seen in English football again.

Thats the manager who's just got a lacklustre mid-table side into a champions league quarter final? And built the squad, with comparably very little money, thats presently sat 6th in the table? No, you're right. I can't see anyone wanting his services. There are so many candidates doing so much better, aren't there?

Dear god! Theres been some crap spouted on this thread by the haterz, but thats topped the lot, I think. Give yourself a round of applause. 😆

Thats the manager who's just got a lacklustre mid-table side

Thats right, a squad thats been the underdog for seasons and only just managed to win the league title last year against Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal.

thats presently sat 6th in the table?

7th and almost 20points off the leaders.

The 4th place team has two games in hand over you and 12points above so you never know..you could qualify for Europe next year yet 😆

Haters? I don't hate Barcelona or Vettel, people just want to see different teams turning up sometimes.

Every Utd fan's favourite commentator put it succinctly this morning..."It was good, but not great." Olympiakos were pretty poor, their keeper went awol quite a few times during the game. They were most likely (IMO) the worst side left in the last 16. Nonetheless, after the greek tragedy, beating them 3-0 to overturn a 2-0 deficit is still a big achievement after being humiliated by your most hated opponents at home three or four days previous.

Going back to Liverpool's achievement in 04/05, they had a "not-bad" side, underachieving but (stay with me here) had a manager with European experience that could mastermind European victories over two legs. Of course, he couldn't understand (what Fergie and Wenger both knew only too well) that in a league, you get more for one win than two draws. The other European sides had less quality than that of the existing Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern and even PSG sides and could still be fazed by the English speed up the wing and crossing games. Liverpool were incredibly lucky quite a few times in that competition, not least in the final where but for a short period after half time, they were completely outclassed by Milan for the other 110 minutes of the game. So while I realise Rafa turned into a figure of fun for Utd fans, that victory was his achievement more than anybody else's. Every year Liverpool played in the UCL with him as manager, they over-achieved compared to their increasingly dismal performances in the league. I really don't think Moyes has the tactical nous or experience to beat the quality left in the UCL - but who knows? For periods of last night's game, Utd still looked a bit clueless in midfield and allowed Olympiakos to pressurise them - and but for some terrible play from Campbell, may well have conceded.

Will Utd win the UCL this season? I'd say not a chance. Can they win it? Of course; they're in the hat on Friday. Has Agent Moyes any other option other than saying they can win it? Of course he doesn't.

Hora - What on earth are you blathering on about? Vettel? Barcelona?

has the brain/keyboard dislocation thing happened again?

you clearly don't even know which team I'm talking about. 6th in the table? I was referring to Everton. The squad Moyes built. Thats where he came from. Did you not know? Moyes hasn't built the United squad. That was the other Scottish Fella. Do you remember him? Big red nose? Liked to shout at the fourth official? Won a couple of things? No……?

Perhaps its best to stay away from subjects you know eff all about. Though that would of course limit you to the ones about serial frame swapping and warranty claims on forks 🙄

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Edit: Bravissimo - I'd say that the fat Spanish Waiter owes a lot to Stevie G for the Champions league results. He was immense in that Milan game. He's exactly who you want as your captain in the middle of the pitch, when… lets be honest… you were getting absolutely thumped! . Like a Keane or Cantona. A massive influence that galvanises a team. He did it again on Sunday. He always does. The ****! 😀

Hora and Binners at th enext Monday night pub ride...
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beagle - Member
Yes Grum. He does, like Rogers did last year.

What a desperate comparison...

Rogers took over a 7th Place finish & we have improved ever since.

Moyes has taken over the champions, spent £65m & you know the rest.

The main reason Utd are still in the champions league is because they haven't faced a top side, unlike City & Arsenal who have both faced at least 2 top sides.

I just hope this win doesn't undermine Utd's chances of getting into the Europa league next season and starting the qualifiers in July. 😆

Lots of parallels. Do people forget he was a laughing stock for a period too? Big signings (regardless of who bought them) not performing, pressure on the manager, fans split in support and against the manager, expectations not being met instantly, and the manager staring above him in the table looking at the team he left.

Like I said, there seems to be soo many fans obsessing themselves over United's position, above looking at their own team. And here was me thinking that was reserved for the fans of just one team. Small time.

Lots of parallels.

Honestly dude, I can't see where you're getting this from. Rodgers wasn't ever a laughing stock. Nor was Moyes until he came to Utd and they had such a shit start. Rodgers' biggest sin was taking over from King Kenny (the silliest appointment ever) but most sensible fans could see he was building long term.

EDIT: Oh, and if you can't handle shadenfreude, this thread really isn't for you.

Surely there could be no greater motivation for anyone on the United squad, in the champions league, than the possibility of Liverpool finishing 4th in the league, then getting punted into the Europa? 😆

then getting punted into the Europa?

The thought crossed my mind this morning... 😯

I can accept it would be hilarious (while obvs not finding it that funny personally).

Like I said, there seems to be soo many fans obsessing themselves over United's position, above looking at their own team. And here was me thinking that was reserved for the fans of just one team. Small time.

How come some United fans can't accept that most non-United fans are enjoying the team that has dominated the Premiership for so long being in a spot of bother? I'm sure it was exactly the same when Liverpool's 80s reign ended.

Surely there could be no greater motivation for anyone on the United squad, in the champions league, than the possibility of Liverpool finishing 4th in the league, then getting punted into the Europa?

Hehe. 😐