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…and judge ourselves. And don't forget this is probably sampling our opinions for the ethical decisions needed to be enshrined in law for auto driving cars. Be warned, you have no idea if the people you are electing to kill are Rednecks...
Lets stop judging others… …and judge ourselves.
All of us? I imagine that would cause problems for some. Judges for example.
I like that, seems I like killing animals, the old and the overweight
Don't know if it randomises the questions, but the first one is odd, (empty car, 5 people on either side of a zebra crossing.)
Stop in lane and mow down 5 people or swerve across and kill the other 5. No option for put the brakes on and stop. Self driving cars seemingly need more thought.
There's no option to brake, is the car a DCW?
Yeah looks like they are random. Bit crap though, every one I did there’s a very obvious “correct” answer where either there’s people on the crossing when they shouldn’t be (hard luck) or the car software has gone wrong and it hasn’t slowed down in time (so obviously passengers who bought a shitty car should suffer 😀) not really a moral choice as such
Stop in lane and mow down 5 people or swerve across and kill the other 5. No option for put the brakes on and stop. Self driving cars seemingly need more thought.
You can't stop. You have to choose who to kill there will be different sexes, ages and whether some are working or retired etc. Some of the people you can choose to kill are sat behind you and they are of different status.
someone somewhere is doing these sums for real, and one day you or someone you know will be at the end of this decision making process.
Why is there always a barrier but no option to slam on the horn and brake like buggery?
what is the point of gathering the opinions of humans to help teach an AI? unless it is teaching the car to drive slowly enough to allow it to stop safely in an area where there are people on a pedestrian crossing?
i think that this is the work of foreign agents.
You can’t stop. You have to choose who to kill
I didn't have to. I just closed the page.
Yep the lack of brake suggests the driverless car is driving too fast when approaching a crossing. A bit rubbish if that is really what is being used to programme driverless cars. I suspect its more complicated than that however.
What a load of nonsense.
A bit rubbish if that is really what is being used to programme driverless cars. I suspect its more complicated than that however.
It is. We are setting the legal foundation for the AI software so we can decide guilt in a caourt of law and handle all the consequences of who goes to prison and who gets an insurance payout.
Mercedes announced that their self driving car had software designed to save the driver of their vehicle.
Even if it screws up and runs into a crowd outside a school at 8:50 in the morning?
This is the biggest problem facing self driving cars right now. Not charging points for the EV but deciding blame when someone gets killed.
I chose the car passenger's everytime, as they are the ones that chose to go in a car. The pedestrians should die because someone wanted to get somewhere quicker
[sorry, talking shite due to wine consumption. Abandoning internet activity]
Be warned, you have no idea if the people you are electing to kill are Rednecks…
What! Do you mean there won't be a facial recognition option linked to the acceleration and braking systems? 🙂
I chose the car passenger’s everytime, as they are the ones that chose to go in a car. The pedestrians should die because someone wanted to get somewhere quicker
Am confused. Are you Jeremy Clarkson?
Anyway this is all a variation on this little problem but now with realworld consequences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
I took great joy in running the idiots down, who walks across a road when cars are about.
Deserve all they got, except the animals, they're too stupid to realise so they didn't get mashed up.
You can’t stop.
Nah this is always an option. The whole point of automated cars is that they don't get into the situation where not stopping and killing a person should be design requirement No1. this thought experiment is just scaremongering
Nah this is always an option. The whole point of automated cars is that they don’t get into the situation where not stopping and killing a person should be design requirement No1. this thought experiment is just scaremongering
What if Bill is hiding in a bush by the side of the road, has suicidal thoughts and jumps out at the last moment but theres enough time to swerve and smash into something else like a car and likely cause fatalities in that crash rather than hitting Bill?
Theres absolutely no way a system can be designed to cater for all eventualities when humans are involved.
Larry_Lamb
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I took great joy in running the idiots down, who walks across a road when cars are about.
Meh. When it happens to your kids or parents I'll be waiting to hear your response.
Meh. When it happens to your kids or parents I’ll be waiting to hear your response.
I got bored so it all got a bit random, but seems I like killing women in hot pants with pony tails (the women that is not me)..
Well that was a load of old shit.
If the car had thermal imaging or microwave sensors, then it would know Bill was hiding in the bush. And if he had his phone on / in his pocket, it could know he was there even earlier. So if we design the tech properly, then the suicidal Bill-car interface is much less likely than the same situation with a human driver.
If the car had thermal imaging or microwave sensors, then it would know Bill was hiding in the bush. And if he had his phone on / in his pocket, it could know he was there even earlier. So if we design the tech properly, then the suicidal Bill-car interface is much less likely than the same situation with a human driver.
How does the car know that Bill is suicidal and therefore to know to slow down just for him and not any other pedestrian on the side of the road.
You're clutching at straws.
You do realise that if you stop judging others there will be no newspapers, no TV, no online social media? Hmm.. sounds good.
How does the human driver know he is suicidal? Only the human driver also can't see him so is already on the back foot.
@larry I’m a serious kind of guy. But with (slightly) better make up.
Back to serious though this is an issue heading our way with little public discussion or awareness.
Like all EV cars with no real charging infrastructure plans(We can talk about the lack of tax revenue later).
But in this case we are talking deciding who gets to die in a given situation. This is a big question.
Don’t forget white van man has already decided we should more likely to be killed than taking his eyes off a fit bird walking down the street.
More depressingly it confirms that AI is biased and that this will be defined by those doing the programming. Programming should be carried out by a very large team, one large enough to delay and derail the project/product.
I don’t judge people now a days I wasn’t an angel in my first 30 years of age.
I feel better about myself as a result
Easiest quiz ever. What's wrong with killing concrete blocks?
Don’t forget white van man has already decided we should more likely to be killed than taking his eyes off a fit bird walking down the street.
Exactly, what do you think will happen when am AI car sees one of these looking all sexy by the side of the road?
Easiest quiz ever. What’s wrong with killing concrete blocks?
Block Lives Matter.
It seems I’m very on the side of obeying the rules - if a pedestrian was crossing on the green light I always chose to save them, regardless of the number/gender/social standing of those involved.
There was no option for running the thief over deliberately even if you didn’t have to, so robo law enforcement is a way off...
It’s not really a big question though is it? People die on the roads every day, sometimes for the most random of reasons, sometimes just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The best thing the AI could do is run a random algorithm, and then act based on that.
Also if these situations are occurring on such a frequent basis it suggests to me a wider issue, requiring a different solution eg a 15mph speed limit in towns - no need for any complicated AI then 😁
Lets stop judging others…
No. Let's not.
The racist, xenophobic, selfish, misogynistic, homophobic, backwards members of society should be publicly judged.
Keeping criticism to yourself lest you offend is not the solution.
Block Lives Matter.
Wall Lives Matter
Block Lives Matter.
Wall Lives Matter
2 comments that knock it out of the park. May as well close the thread. 😁👍🏼
The people in the car should always die ahead of any people on the crossing as the people in the car are the cause of the issue in this ridiculous scenario where an automated car is doing a worse job that a human driven car.
The people in the car should always die ahead of any people on the crossing as the people in the car are the cause of the issue in this ridiculous scenario where an automated car is doing a worse job that a human driven car.
that was basically my approach.
In order of deading...
Animals
Occupants
Outsiders
As much as i like fwuffy bunnies.
I'm more concerned about the contractor who is putting daft temporary works in
Curious conclusions.
Eg, apparently I prefer to save fit people. That hadn't even crossed my mind. Whereas the tiebreaker I used often wasn't even considered - action vs inaction, all other things being equal I chose not to swerve.