You don't need to be an 'investor' to invest in Singletrack: 6 days left: 95% of target - Find out more
Children are small, they don't need the extra legroom.
As a childless adult, with a penchant for flying near the front of a plane, I welcome her stance on parenting.
Disappointed they never went for
Vacation, vacation, vacation.
Also, when we go on holiday we always force the kids to sit in the back of the car whilst my wife and I lord it up in the front.....but then again, we are heartless monsters
I just happened to read this a couple of minutes ago and I'm not quite sure what to think.
On the one hand I get the idea of a little 'controlled independence' but kids seem a bit young to my mind to be sat with a couple of random strangers 'largely' unsupervised for 3-4 hours or more.
I wouldn't do it, but then I actually like spending time with my kids so maybe my perspective is different from hers.
#EDIT : Not to mention the perks of having cute, well behaved kids with you.. extra attention from cabin staff, being able to tag along for the obligatory trip up to the cockpit.. 🙂
I'm more annoyed they still let children on planes to start with 😉
It was fairly common in Oz for kids to travel solo between families who were apart but I think you might have paid more for this as the crew were then in charge of the kids.
Surprised there have been no comments along the lines of 'if its good enough for your kids, it's good enough for you'.
As someone who will never have the concern about if I should upgrade beyond cattle class I'm struggling to gaf.
If she's concerned about the additional cost then she could, you know, sit beside her kids.
She needs the bigger seats in business, she's getting pretty porky...
Shielding your kids from Flashies footwear would seem a reasonable precaution.
Where do her two nannies sit?
I think it is very bizarre, I certainly would not do that. Has she never seen Home Alone?
Surely there is some sort of safety implication. Is a parent not responsible for fitting of oxygen mask etc in the event of needing it? I think it sends a pretty terrible message to the kids that their parents don't want to sit with them.
<i>[edit] </i>changed my mind, I really don't care!
Scotroutes - nannying done by cabin crew.
Her kids her choice.
Her kids her choice.
Fair enough if her kids are impeccably behaved and very sensible. If not it becomes an issue for the other passengers and crew.
Her kids her responsibility to look after them and not to foister their care onto strangers.
As I've always thought she was a vacuous **** anyway so it hasn't changed my opinion of her.
Cabin Crew aren't a babysitting service, but she's from a titled family so considering her Children to be a bit of a hindrance for someone else to deal with will come naturally.
https://www.opodo.co.uk/blog/unaccompanied-minors-rules-by-airlines/
Of course Ryanair will charge you more than any of those to sit with your kids...
I'm surprised the airline allows this to happen but ryanair etc randomly disperse families all over the cabin anyway. I guess if it was a big problem the airline wouldn't allow it. I Imagine having 2 BC punters makes more money than 4 EC.
No real issue other than the money saving bit - all travel in economy and save even more money!
I would make the kids walk.
I assume, given your username, they love walkies?
I love the "send them to economy" to make them appreciate the value of money bs. I'm pretty sure that won't apply to the rest of their lives (private shools, houses, cars, holidays etc....). Sounds like Kristy has to get out there and earn a bit more! Also I'd be more concerned about being with my children than sitting in a nice seat than she seems to be.
I assume, given your username, they love walkies?
They love what they're told to. None of this soft-parenting rubbish in our kennel...
Does she not like her kids? I quite enjoy hanging out with my kids, especially when doing something exciting live travelling on holiday. I don't understand why you would want to be separated from them.
Its a bit of a parody really isn't it? 'Here you go kids, slum it in the back with the poor people so you learn about the value of money whilst Mummy and Daddy neck Champers up front'. FFS
I think it's rather unreasonable and not a little bit self-entitled.. If there was an emergency on the aircraft, then what?
Personally, I'd fly everyone premium economy rather than adults in first.
Excellent. Children should not be in club,business/premium etc.
I dont pay extra to listen to shrieking brats.
Don't her and her ilk generally just outsource the bringing up of their children to boarding schools and nannies anyway? Surely this just continues the theme?
If she doesn't want her kids in posh class then the whole family should sit in cattle. It is not the responsibility of the airline staff or other passengers to babysit her children.
While I see her point of view and everyone is entitled to parent in toer own way, personally it's something I would never do.
My child is scared of flying, so to put her some where else in the plane away from parents would be hartless. However if her kids are sensible and mature enough to deal with flying in a separate section of the plane, then fine.
I completely disagree with her for the reasoning of cash saving and it being one of life's lessons though....
Do her kids travel in a separate cheaper car? Or live in a separate cheaper house? Do they eat cheaper meals? Go to the local comprehensive? Etc. Etc. Etc. If she wants to save cash they should all be in economy class or take turns.
If she’s concerned about the additional cost then she could, you know, sit beside her kids.
Yeah I like the fact that when people have said she should be looking after her kids, her first though was "I'm not bringing the kids into business class, its a waste of money", rather than her having to move to pleb class....
She’s on my list of people I’d like to push down a flight of stairs.
However if her kids are sensible and mature enough to deal with flying in a separate section of the plane, then fine.
and she should be paying the unaccompanied child fees for each of them so the staff are aware and allocated to look after them. It also means the staff know where and who they are and that they are travelling alone - you can't head back there once the seatbelt sign is on obviously.
Also, even if they are at total opposite ends of a 747, she’s 180 feet away. I bet her house and garden is bigger than that....
She’s on my list of people I’d like to push down a flight of stairs.
Who else is on your list (other than Trump, Piers Morgan and Fiona Bruce, obvs)?
I'm just disappointed that she didn't fashion her own plane out of pine cones and glitter and , while she was at , it, perhaps knocked up a few Cath Kidston-esque antimacassars out of an old pair of curtains.
Kirsty's Homemade Holiday.
Mark my words. This'll be on Channel 4 in a couple of months
Don’t her and her ilk generally just outsource the bringing up of their children to boarding schools and nannies anyway? Surely this just continues the theme?
Agree. We are not talking about the normal kids and parents here, it is a different world.
she’s 180 feet away. I bet her house and garden is bigger than that….
and bugger all use in takeoff, landing, turbulence or a food service
Done it the wrong way round. Should've put the kids into business along with some energy drinks and plenty of sugary sweets. Fling in a competitive game or two. Then sit in economy laughing laughing her tits off.
She could have just knocked some walls through to make Economy seem as big as Business.
Not a problem really is it? Airlines offer services to look after unaccompanied kids and I often see unaccompanied kids travelling long haul on their own, quite young too. They seem to manage it fine. Depends on the age of them of course, but the pure fact the kids are unaccompanied really is not an issue. The last thing you want when travelling business class are kids! The lack of kids is part of the appeal.
It's also not uncommon for families to be split between business and other classes....Business is expensive. I'm planning on taking my family on a business trip with me, work will pay my business class seat and i'll pay for the families seats....economy as I couldn't afford to the business class prices. Once my work commitments are done i'll have a few days holiday with the family. A cheap way of getting the family to far flung places.
Wasn't her father a Viscount, or something like that? I feel rather sorry for the kids reading about it all on BBC News, wonder whether they're brave enough to read the Comments!
A sense of entitlement to expect cabin staff to childmind and clearly too tight to outsource to a nanny or au pair. Rather sad.
given that 10 is older than the age most airlines will let kids travel unaccompanied, the airlines must think its ok for them to sit somewhere their parents aren't,
I've been in the front whilst my wife was in the back. She hasn't let me forget that..
I’ve been in the front whilst my wife was in the back. She hasn’t let me forget that..
Nobody's judging you. Consenting adults and all that.
She hasn’t let me forget that..
Certainly sounds like a memorable evening.
Don’t her and her ilk
It's fine to stereotype a group as long as they are rich and privileged then?
How would you feel if Kerry Katona's working class background was blamed when she was caught being drunk and not looking after her kids (or some such stereotypical scenario)? 🙂
I want to voice my frustration that this gutter article is top of the "read" list on the BBC News website and that someone wrote a thread on it here but then I'd only be adding to this pointless discussion around one of the most nauseating people on TV, so I'll just say that I'm not bothered and keep quiet.
If she's paying the extra to have them flagged as unaccompanied then I guess it's her prerogative. I suspect though she isn't and as such is taking the proverbial. It's interesting because in Canada the airline "must make all reasonable efforts to seat children 12 and under adjacent to an accompanying adult". You wonder how that'd work in this case.
I read it too, interesting. I tend not to agree with her policy, it is taking the piss a bit if staff are then obliged to look after them.
However, on my last flight back from Asia, a nanny was looking after 5 kids in business class whilst the 2 extremely wealthy/healthy/immaculately dressed parents were in First.
Kirsty's not trying hard enough!
I think she's being unfairly pilloried.
I mean, would you want to sit next to a child who'd been raised by Kirstie ****ing Allsopp?
Obvious really. She's claiming her tickets on expenses like Wobbliscott does. The whole 'teaching kids the value of money' stuff is just bollox though.
Depends on the kids of course but at 10 and 12 its not like they'll need help with wiping their nose or owt, exactly how much child minding would be required? IME drunk adults on planes are a whole lot worse than kids..
We just chain ours up in the coal bunker when we go on holiday. Saves a fortune and they keep the rats down, once the hunger takes them.
@perchy, I was flying over the weekend, as it happens. In these. You were right.
She’s a cheapskate end of.
The teaching her children the value of money thing is the reddest of red herrings. Redder in fact than the lovechild of Sarah Ferguson and Mick Hucknall after spending a week all inclusive on the surface of the sun without a parasol or factor 50.
She wants to save money and is prepared to sit separate from her children to do so and let others do her parenting for her.
For gods sake CFH, You know there are hundreds of pairs of normal shoe's right?
I do, Kryters, I do.
For tomorrow's flight, it will be a pair of black Oxfords from the sadly defunct Duckers.
I just like to reinforce stereotypes now and again. 🙂
I mean, would you want to sit next to a child who’d been raised by Kirstie **** Allsopp?
It could be worse. Imagine shelling out for first class and finding yourself next to Kirstie Allsopp.
I feel sorry for the rest of the economy class passengers. Supervised children are often bad enough on flights let alone unaccompanied ones. Why should they have to endure her kids when she swans off to the front of the plane?
She’s on my list of people I’d like to push down a flight of stairs.
Who else is on your list (other than Trump, Piers Morgan and Fiona Bruce, obvs)?
Funnily enough Trump and Piers Morgan are on there. It’s a bloody long list and would require a separate thread.
This thread needs a bit of balance, despite your liking/disliking of Kirsty and her Husband.
Her/thier kids might actually be rather nice well behaved and utterly wonderful specimens of the human race.
You don’t know them, and no doubt will never rub shoulders with them.
Don’t plant your dislike for Mrs Allsop and her husband onto thier kids, they probably have enough anxieties of their own to contend with.
^^woah there bikebouy. We’ll have none of your sensible postings thank you very much
what goes around comes around.. I wonder what care home they have planned for Kirstie.
I guess there must be shed loads of holidays without the kids too
I just like to reinforce stereotypes now and again.
Including the one where I make fun of your shoes?
Think you’ll find, that wasn’t me.
I did consider it, but it was such a cliche 😉
DOH!
I'm jetlagged. That's as good an excuse as any!
I thought they were going to be 5-6 years old at first.
At their age, give them an iPad and you'd only notice them if you tripped over their headphone cable
@perchy - don't worry Flashy was coming home from a cosplay convention and left his Green Lantern outfit on as an homage to his hero.
If she was my mum I would want to sit in a different part of the plane. You can't blame them.
What has this got to do with us?
What has this got to do with us?
Kirstie is a regular poster on here. She rides 650b and refuses to go tubeless
Sorry didn't know. Hardtail or full bouncer?
Lighten up mt, it's just a bit of fun.
Definitely a fuller bounce.
Fat bike?
Yeah, no problem.
It's not unusual out here for expat families to split across business class and economy. Kids often end up in the cheap seats, often with the nanny. Last time we flew business there was a family that had mum in business with dad and the kids in the back.
If the kids aren't bothered by sitting watching movies for a few hours and eating plastic food (which they're not) then it's the cheap seats for them. You're a not getting any thing out of a 12 year old on a plane with Star Wars on tap. They go to school for 7 hours at a time, I'm sure they can manage a few rows away on a plane.
Move on!
It's ok as long as you check on them every 8 hours.
I wonder if when they drive anywhere her & her husband go in the Range Rover, while her kid's follow behind in a "Budget Taxi's" Octavia with 320,000 miles on the clock...
I am always proud of my parents in that we always (and continue to do so) were treated the same as each other. If they couldn’t afford for the whole family to have something then no one had it - we had a next door neighbour who used to feed their kids sausages and fish fingers while they had steak or salmon!
i don’t have kids myself but if I did I would certainly make sure they sat with me on a flight, no matter what their ages were.
we had a next door neighbour who used to feed their kids sausages and fish fingers while they had steak or salmon!
Which is very, very normal as lots of kids won't eat the steak or Salmon.
However the rest of your point stands. If I can't afford for all 4 of us to fly first class, then I'll be in economy with the kids. We're a family. It's that simple.