[Closed] LeanGains VS iDave Diet

I struggle with long sentences
precise please - what exactly is it?

in a nutshell it is a method for getting "ripped" by eating very precisely wrt numbers of calories and ratio between carbs, protein & fat. The timing of meals is also important. Training is kept to a minimum, basically short but heavy weights sessions 2 or 3 times a week.

I actually find the homage site rippedbody.jp much more readable & informative. The author is also a lot more... stable... than the LeanGains guy 😆

i used it to successfully lose weight and see my abs, but i just ended up too skinny on the whole, so started eating normally again to put weight back on.

basically its eating all your calories in an 8hr window, and zero cals for 16. you choose when that window suits. its advantageous to eat your largest meal straight after workouts, but not a deal-breaker. really i spose, its a more convenient way of eating for some people. rather than smaller portions of meals to drop weight, it promotes eating normal meals but in a shorter timescale. its easier for some, including me.
if i was trying to gain weight though, i found it harder to stuff myself in that 'window' so went back to spreading it out over the day.

theres no doubt that leangains works, its just whether it suits your lifestyle.

That Lean Gains guy is bonkers. I mean, does anyone read all that? Do you lose weight because you don't have time to eat?

[i]basically its eating all your calories in an 8hr window, and zero cals for 16[/i]

And how does it work/what's the 'science' behind it?

there's a lot of science behind why it works. if you're not interested than I guess that's cool, but some people are.

I've dropped breakfast most days and don't have any trouble with that now that I am used to it

[i]there's a lot of science behind why it works. if you're not interested than I guess that's cool, but some people are.[/i]

Easy tiger. I am interested; that's why I asked.

Has he written all that stuff about [i]skipping breakfast[/i]?
I'm sick to the eye teeth with all of these fad diets. Carbs, no carbs. Fasting, low GI, 8 hour eating, no dairy, raw, paleo.
The fact that nobody agrees on anything makes me think that none of them know what they're doing and nutritionists are making it up as they go along.

The fact that nobody agrees on anything makes me think that none of them know what they're doing and nutritionists are making it up as they go along.

[i]LeanGains VS iDave Diet[/i]

I don't think its [b]Vs[/b] so much as just addiotnal / alternative information.
I find the L/G site a bit of a drag to read and the Author's [i]style[/i] might be politely described as [i]eccentric[/i] ?.

My limited understanding is that once food has been digested and insulin levels have dropped and a corresponding rise in glucagon has ocurred. Then the body uses its stored energy.
HSL in fat cells breaks down triglycerides so that fat can leave the cells and be made available to muscle tissue to be used for energy production.

I guess the L/G method focuses on this process by having a moderately longer period of time during which fat is used for fuel.
In addition to this, with L/G you are moving weights to stimulate muscle growth, if thats your thang. Which is when you're messing with BCAA, etc.

Oddjob.
I'm the same. I get up around 5am, I'll cover a modest commute to work, but do not usually eat until lunch time.

I've been following leangains for 6 months or so (4h eating window most days) and palaeo for about three years and i'm shredded 8)

Would you agree that healthy eating is a good idea though? Limiting junk food intake, reducing sugars etc.

[i]The fact that nobody agrees on anything makes me think that none of them know what they're doing and nutritionists are making it up as they go along. [/i]

Good post, just the point I was making on another thread. While people are given so many different [i]stories[/i] is it any wonder that opinion is so divided ?.

Yep

[i]davidjones15 - Member

Yep

Be off with you and your self promoted fad diet!![/i]

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Be off with you and your self promoted fad diet!

I think that low gi [i]is[/i] healthy eating, that idave [i]is[/i] healthy eating. Eating according to my secret method (no breakfast, seaweed only, heroin free, etc) that I will make available to you for the small investment of.... is a waste of time and fadlike.

RTFP. Sensible was the word used.
There is a massive difference between not eating rubbish and iDave. Are you going to tell me that potatoes and fruit are unhealthy?

[i]potatoes and fruit are unhealthy?[/i]

Whats your opinion ?. 🙂

Whats your opinion ?.

[i]I reckon it's fair to say they're not unhealthy[/i]
Agreed 🙂

[i]Whether or not they make you fat....I have absolutely no idea[/i]
They don't always help, but some people can get along ok, ime, provided they exercise [i]moderation of course[/i]

Reading all this has made me hungry and it's still 40mins to go till mid morning tea and toast.

[i]Reading all this has made me hungry and it's still 40mins to go till mid morning tea and toast[/i]

In that case, shirley you can call upon the second breakfast rule ?.

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davidjones - he's not trying to sell you anything!

anyway haters gonna hate - I don't usually eat breakfast now (I did when I was iDaving). So I'm going to give this a go just out of curiosity and if I get ripped in the the process then.. "I'll be back".

intermittant fasting is gaining popularity and its easy to see why it appeals, in the same way that the idiet/4HB makes use of a 'cheat day'

it is completely at odds with the idea that you need to eat (small clean meals) regularly to keep your metabolism high

23 minutes to go now.
Starting to salivate at the thought of all that butter.

My limited understanding is that once food has been digested and insulin levels have dropped and a corresponding rise in glucagon has ocurred. Then the body uses its stored energy.
HSL in fat cells breaks down triglycerides so that fat can leave the cells and be made available to muscle tissue to be used for energy production.

I guess the L/G method focuses on this process by having a moderately longer period of time during which fat is used for fuel.
In addition to this, with L/G you are moving weights to stimulate muscle growth, if thats your thang. Which is when you're messing with BCAA, etc.

What's BCAA?

[i]Starting to salivate at the thought of all that butter. [/i]

Butter, you say... 😉

[i]What's BCAA?[/i]

Sorry, its on the L/G site. "[i][b]B[/b]ranch [b]C[/b]hain [b]A[/b]mino [b]A[/b]cids[/i]"

intermittant fasting is gaining popularity and its easy to see why it appeals, in the same way that the idiet/4HB makes use of a 'cheat day'

I started the fasting type one yesterday. Mate in work has seen great results with it.

I was mainly inspired by the Horizon episode as well - where old boy saw great results from this whole fasting crack.

Just a word to the wise. When I was reading the L/G site, I think the writter pointed out that fasting was only really useful to him for a period of time [b]upto[/b] 72 hours, but that the optimum duration of fasting was much less.

So, if you are going to give this fasting thing a go, just be careful and don't make the mistake of thinking that the longer you fast the leaner you will become, cos I don't think it works that way.

Good luck !.
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I don't plan on doing any 3 day fasts - just the standard start eating in a 6 hour window (or whatever it is) in the afternoon jobbie

[i]So, if you are going to give this fasting thing a go, just be careful and don't make the mistake of thinking that the longer you fast the leaner you will become, cos I don't think it works that way.

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Surely an indefinite fast will get you pretty slimmed down...

I've gone for the Horizon version (so i've been told) which is 2 days a week of <600 cals.

I wasn't planning on doing both days back to back, but i've started today with a <200cal brekkie, so may as well contiune for the day now and see where it takes me. My general plan is to do Tues/Thurs or Mon/Wed as my fast days.

I've got a few months before 'lean' even comes into the discussion lol.

[i]Surely an indefinite fast will get you pretty slimmed down... [/i]

Just saying about what I recalled from the website, and, of course, not wanting to see anyone actually starving themselves.

I also [i]believe[/i] that if one were to fast / attempt to fast for a long time, then the body is most likely to down-regulate the metabolism, sometimes referred to as [i]Famine mode[/i]. Don't overlook also that to meet the body's need for some carbohydrates, it will, if necessary, start Gluconeogenisis.

I'd be interested to read about how those who are going to give this a go, get along.

The point of LeanGains is that, unlike a traditional fast, you do not restrict the amount of calories you eat. Although you fast every day you still need to eat the full amount of calories your body requires, just only within the specific "eating window". You might find even find that if you follow the program fully (with heavy weight lifting) you have to increase your calorie intake to see results.

The fact that nobody agrees on anything makes me think that none of them know what they're doing and nutritionists are making it up as they go along.

i think i will stick to the IDIET.

4 stone loss now, with not very much exercise.
so i reckon it kinda works........ 8)

you say that ton... but your on that diet for the rest of your life if you want to keep it off. I bet loads of it is water loss as well (sorry)

alexxx, been on it since march........so i reckon the water might have gone now, dont you?

Just back from my toast.
Quite a bit of drama this morning as the canteen had for reasons unknown decided to stop serving toast at 10am!!!!!

I know!!!!!

10am!!!!!

idiots!!!

So they had to get the toaster back out, along with the tray of exciting things to toast, and then I had to wait for an age for the wretched thing to warm up.
Even then I reckon my toast was slightly under done.
Not happy.

i think i will stick to the IDIET.

4 stone loss now, with not very much exercise.
so i reckon it kinda works........

i think i will stick to the IDIET.

4 stone loss now, with not very much exercise.
so i reckon it kinda works........

Didn't you lose an awful lot of that just by stopping being "a greedy pig" (your words, not mine 😀 ) before you started iDave? I take it you've not reverted to being a greedy pig on iDave?

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zilog6128 - Member

....the iDiet is for fat people

.....LeanGains is for people who are already in shape

Wow, someone's actually realised this at last 🙂
"iDiet" is a rough and ready set of guidelines that will get sedentary lardasses back to some kind of normality
"LG" is an eating program designed for people undertaking pretty intensive training and aiming at very low BF.

Reda the whole LG site of you can bear it....
....He talks a lot of sense about people going to the gym and playing at training with all these faddy ab programs, swiss balls, pulleys, rubber bands and straps etc when all you really need are the traditional "hard" exercises such as squats, deadlifts and presses - the rest is for Men's Health readers.......

He talks a lot of sense about people going to the gym and playing at training with all these faddy ab programs, swiss balls, pulleys, rubber bands and straps etc when all you really need are the traditional "hard" exercises such as squats, deadlifts and presses - the rest is for Men's Health readers.......

Yep this is spot on.

[i]4 stone loss now, with not very much exercise.
so i reckon it kinda works[/i]

Ton. Great stuff ! 😀

[i]but your on that diet for the rest of your life if you want to keep it off[/i]
Yes, thats how it works. Its not a temporary change to get into [i]shape[/i], after which you resort to eating the foods that made you fat in the first place.

[i]the rest is for Men's Health readers....... [/i]
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[i]I see too many people in the gym trying to get strong/big[/i]

Me too. However, there doesn't seem to be any change. The chubsters are still chubby and the skinnies are still skinny.

But to be fair, as some have already said. When theres so much info out there, either conflicting, overlapping or concuring. I can see why joe public might not know where to begin.

[i]TBH this just makes me think that maybe there isn't one correct answer and that there are multiple methods which all have some degree of validity.[/i]
For sure, people over the years have found differing methods to achieve common/specific goals. However, we are all using the same equipment, ie, the human body. Not withstanding variations on an individual basis, and specific hormonal issues.
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I've lost half a stone of bodyfat in a month on a pretty loose version of leangains. Eating from 12-8 or so, black coffee or water the rest of the time, every day. I find it suits me very well, I don't get hungry in the mornings and I generally have time for a good lunch and dinner. I find the 8-hour window encourages me to "eat clean" and stay away from processed sugar.

There is a lot of interesting stuff on leangains about insulin and cortisol levels. Its popular with people who lift weights but there is plenty of information in there that will benefit anyone.

Solo, nice to see you back mate................. 😀

[i]Solo, nice to see you back mate[/i]

Yeah. Things went a little weird for a bit, so I took a few months off (self imposed).

4 Stone off is impressive and worth it in itself. But I'm also hoping other things might improve for you.
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Yeah, well done Ton.

I am having bulletproof coffee (coffee blended with butter) for breakfast these days and then eating paleo lunch and dinner with no snacks in the evening.

Can't be hurting, but I'd say the fat/weight's not falling off

[i]I am having bulletproof coffee (coffee blended with butter[/i]

Wha Dat ?, you just dropping a lump of butter into your coffee ?.

[i]Can't be hurting, but I'd say the fat/weight's not falling off [/i]
Got much to lose ?.

Can't be hurting, but I'd say the fat/weight's not falling off

*googles BPC*
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[i]Bulletproof Coffee is a mixture of high quality grass-fed butter, pharmaceutical grade MCT oil, and specially selected Upgraded Coffee Beans.[/i]
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OddJob.
If you're eating a paleo style diet but not shifting the excess weight, then a calorie audit is probably a good place to start.

haha I love stw. Ton - I was being a douche - I'm really glad your diets going well - good on ya with the willpower.

I'll report back with leangains fame in 8 weeks.

[i]I'll report back with leangains fame in 8 weeks.

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Dont forget he before and after pics.
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I'm doing quite well with just timing eating and exercise lately. I'll weigh in next Monday morning.

on it Solo - I just need to find a full length mirror now doh

[i]I just need to find a full length mirror now doh[/i]

If you get really [i]stuck[/i]... iPhone..... 😉 and Clothes shop changing room ?.

Leangains works extremely well, but I don't have the discipline to eat like that, so I stick to 4-5 meals a day 😀

Well that's the first week done (of the Horizon 'fasting') with and after 2 days of 'normal' eating the scales tipped this morning at 15st0.

So in week 1 that means a loss of 6lb. I can't be unhappy with that at all.

Week 2 begins with a slightly different format of fasting days being Monday and Thurs. This is to combine with Mrs Weeksy having a go at it too. Not my personal preference to do it in a split day context... but we'll give it a go and see what happens.

I didn';t do any more exercise than usual (apart from the Epic Sunday ride) but i didn't do any less either

I was slightly consicious of eating things... but still had pancakes post-cycle yesterday morning and a couple of muffins that me and my lad baked so i wasn't exactly a martyr either.

Zilog and Solo
Coffee and unsalted grass fed butter in the blender. It's delicious and easier than cooking each morning. As i understand it, if you don't have any protein, then your body stays in fasting mode and doesn't really recognise that it's been fed. I do it more out of laziness than anything else and it stops me feeling hungry until lunchtime.

I am not really trying hard to lose weight at the moment and I don't really have too much to lose. I have also started lifting weights a bit so it's hard to say where the body fat % is heading.

No stress about losing weight really here, I'm feeling supremely healthy and reasonably fit at the moment, the extra 5-7kg I guess I could lose are not really a problem and I guess they'll gradually drop over time without killing myself with fasting and calorie counting. I'm currently eating quite high fat and enjoying it.

OddJob.

Thanks for the info. I hadn't heard of BPC until you mentioned it. I also didn't realize you could make it yourself.

For me its gone to shit for now, with other issues taking up my time. Still eat well, but can't get to the gym or ride at the moment.