[Closed] Latest abomination of Engerlish

OED online says

Be superior to (an opponent or rival)

So seems legit.

First Known Use of outmatch

1593, in the meaning defined.

so that would be Ye Olde Engerlish

“outmatch”. Really?

Yup it's an actual word.

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Pretty sure I’ve heard that term used for years. It’s funny how a word can be in use for years, but not be recognised by many; my g/f had a letter from her uncle, who was born in the former Yugoslavia, brought up in Italy, and now lives in Brussels and speaks French as well as English, and who made a comment about his English spelling, and he used the word ‘simulacrum’ in relation to himself.
My g/f assumed that was a mis-spelling, she’d never come across the word, and didn’t believe me when I told her what it meant! I had to show her the definition on line.
Not the first time she’s queried the use of a word I’ve used for years, yet she’s never heard of. She’s not uneducated by any stretch of the imagination either, I guess I just read a lot more, and across a wide range of subjects, so I come across all sorts of words and terms that maybe aren’t so common.
I dunno, but it’s fun watching quiz programmes on telly, and I’m reading something and casually answering various questions, and she’s going ‘how the hell do you know that?!’ 😬

I can think of a few better words to describe ‘outmatch’

However ‘outwith’ is a great word which I use regularly but apparently it’s not a real word and not many people would use it outwith Scotland.

There are many examples of outXxx, to wit, outwit. Although that begs the question, if one can outwit, presumably one can "wit" but I've never heard that one.

Wit is old English for know but has fallen out of use, like kith which is only used in the phrase "kith and kin"

And since when has a train been "formed of" 8 carriages?

Yes, although I suspect out with is more to do with the noun form - intellect, reason, acumen, ingenuity. As in wits end. Those have survived, while wit on its own has not. Outside of the humour kind of wit.

Although I am more perturbed by the statement that the spitfire could outmatch any German fighter than be the English.

An outmatch:

However ‘outwith’ is a great word which I use regularly but apparently it’s not a real word and not many people would use it outwith Scotland.

So true. To make matters worse word etc. Think its a grammar error not a spelling one. Wearing out the ignore button.

An outmatch:

Thats an extinguished lucifer

More4 Dunkirk documentary: “The Spitfire could outmatch any German fighter”

I have more of a problem with the inaccuracy of the statement.

I have more of a problem with the inaccuracy of the statement.

Apart from having to perform a half roll when descending, to keep positive G through the carbs, what other area did the Spitfire underperform?

I have more of a problem with the inaccuracy of the statement.

You need to start a new thread on that subject then.

Apart from having to perform a half roll when descending, to keep positive G through the carbs, what other area did the Spitfire underperform?

Well this.

Also, it lacked the firepower of the BF 109's 20mm cannon.

It didn't "under perform", it just didn't "outmatch" the 109. The 109 and the Spitfire were pretty evenly matched.

Also, iirc it didn't climb as fast as the 109, but that wasn't an issue as the radar gave enough early warning (usually) for the British fighters to get up to altitude.

(Again iirc) There were 20mm cannon spitfires in the battle of Britain, but they were so new that the cannons weren't installed in a way that meant they didn't keep jamming so the squadrons that had them swapped them for machine guns, as having small guns that worked was better than big ones that didn't!

wasn’t an issue as the radar gave enough

It was an issue during the Battle of France, as there was no radar.

There were 20mm cannon spitfires in the battle of Britain

This was about Dunkirk.

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However ‘outwith’ is a great word which I use regularly but apparently it’s not a real word and not many people would use it outwith Scotland.

Once upon a time.... I printed up a set of bookmarks and would slip them into dictionaries in bookshops. "Without 'outwith' within"

There were very very few 20mm cannon Spitfires during th Battle of Britain and they were unreliable. For all intents and purposes they did not exist.

The Spitfire did not outmatch the 109 anyway, the 109 rolled faster, dived better, climbed better and had a better instantaneous turn rate.

Climbing better is an advantage even if your enemy has radar. You merge with a slower climbing fighter or fighters at equal altitude - you just fight in the vertical and bleed their energy. You roll better at speed and can pull higher AoA? You can stay high, dive at the target and pull high g deflection shots ....boom and zoom.

The Spitfire was a good aircraft for rookie pilots, relatively docile stall characteristics and the good continuous turn rate made it easy for inexperienced pilots to fly defensively.

This was about Dunkirk.

Spitfires couldn't climb and dive as fast as the Me. They couldn't match the high G turn rate all due to the gravity fed carbs. They carried less ammunition and what they did have was meant for a rifle. The guns/airframe moved about so shots went all over the place. The gunsight was inferior to that in the Me.

I love the spits but their sucess was more about the pilots and tactics than the machine. Iirc the hurricane was far more successful in battle.

It was in terms of numbers but the Spitty actually had a higher kill to loss ratio than the Hurricane.

The biggest thing that could be said for the Spitfire is that the airframe was more capable than the 109 of being improved. The late war Griffon engined fighters were only really bettered by the post war naval piston fighters. Where as the G and K model 109s were a bit of a nightmare, in part due to the airframe and in part due to the fact that they had to be massively up gunned to deal with huge formations of B-17s.

...think "its" a grammar error. 🙄