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So we've ended up playing Climate Crisis Top Trumps now then.
Dogs trump people BTW. 😉
We have two dogs and we have their dog crates in the back of a Discovery 5 commercial, which means low benefit in kind tax. How many points does that score me?
Back to the OP's question.
I've driven short and long wheelbase new Defenders as well as the Disco, on road and at Eastnor. All were options when we came to buy a commercial vehicle for our business.
My thought before buying was that I would like the Defender 90 best, but it really is quite tight in there.
We bought (well leased to be fair) the Disco 5 as the interior is nicer, I prefer the exterior too as it seems a little less contrived than the new Defenders. All have sufficient off road and towing capability for our needs.
So, from my experience I'd say try a Disco as well as a Defender, buy the one you like best and don't bother with the prejudice on here.
My dad had a v8 discovery 1 in the early 2000s and it cost him about 3 grand a year in repairs back then. At todays labour rates it would be impossible to run sensibly.
Landrover is nice but is it a workhorse?
Friend has Landrover Discovery and a Landrover 90 in the Far East, but both require more maintenance by comparison the local favourite there of various Japanese 4x4.
Get a Defender Octa. It’s got a reliable BMW engine from the M5. A bit quick too!
It always surprises me that people on here always pile in on a 4x4 thread with the sanctimonious bs but swap it for a camper van tread and you are good to crack on (generally same mpg an most SUV’s.) most campervans are used for school drop off as far as I see. Topped up with beds, furniture, roof boxes and stuff ready for that 1 night stop in a pub car park every few months!
Each to their own, I suppose.
One thing in common of having a 4x4 in the UK and the Far East is the high possibility it getting stolen.
In UK, thieves like to steal Landrover but in the Far East it is Landcruiser / Hilux.
@wheelsonfire1 some of it has. A lot of it hasn’t.
bit pushed for time to respond in full. But unless I’m missing something and it’s possible - no one on this thread ACTUALLY has a new defender ? I saw one person would like one, one has it on their wish list, and several have demo’ed them.
From the few that have LR’s that commented thanks, it is actually helpful.
as I stated up front, I’m not new to LR. I currently enjoy my disco 4, that has been faultless and taken us all over Europe multiple times, often at great pace too. It’s a lovely place to be for a car. It would be my 4th disco. Loved all of them. I’ve tried the disco 5 several times and just don’t like it. I can’t fathom why, but I don’t.
When I did my landy off road course the instructor did tell me the disco is nearly as capable as the defender and would be better on road. I have taken mine off (light ish) road and it’s pretty bloody good. Once you get past the fear of damaging it that is.
And as a nod to all the nay sayers, I personally know two friends that one put 250k miles on a D3, the other has done 180k miles on his D4. No drama on either.
as for LR being shite, my last VW golf crept breaking down costing loads and huge inconvenience when it did so abroad, as did each and every friggin’ new style mini, as did the super expensive BMW we had. There seems to be niggles across most brands of car, obviously not Toyota (apart from the self drive incident in the US recently) - I’m sure it was Toyota - I should check I’ve remembered that correctly). Probably not Honda and to be fair if Honda did a Defender style car I’d buy it.
as for the new Toyota Land Cruiser, it looks amazing, but only a diesel ? And prices are insane for one on auto trader 80k, 100k ! Nuts.
and no I don’t have a scooby what the side sandwich boxes are for - unusual design decision. They look like the first thing that will get knocked off. Don’t like them at all.
Daft sandwich boxes aside, the feature that makes me chuckle is the extendable ladder down one side.
Fair enough if you need to get to the roof. 90% of the ones I see them on, don't even have roof bars
It always surprises me that people on here always pile in on a 4×4 thread with the sanctimonious bs but swap it for a camper van tread and you are good to crack on (generally same mpg an most SUV’s.) most campervans are used for school drop off as far as I see. Topped up with beds, furniture, roof boxes and stuff ready
Can you really not see the difference?
I seem to recall the dog ownership carbon foot print thing was debunked. Well for the moment. It might change in the future
Has anyone got a link?
Daft sandwich boxes aside, the feature that makes me chuckle is the extendable ladder down one side.
Fair enough if you need to get to the roof. 90% of the ones I see them on, don’t even have roof bars
the extendable ladder would have been useful when I put the Thule roof bag or box on the rood of the disco, or when I put the mtb on the roof, which isn’t that often these days but when I do I’m reminded it’s a long way to lift a bike up.
Re the Porsche, had a go in go in the v8 which is a barrel of laughs, but would see me license less fairly quickly. The v6 is great too. But I don’t like the interior it’s crammed full of buttons, it’s like they just thought buttons, it needs more buttons.
The ineos grenadier looks good up close, I see one round here regularly, but haven’t driven one. Not sure I want to splurge 44k+ on one.
Re the Porsche, had a go in go in the v8 which is a barrel of laughs, but would see me license less fairly quickly.
I had the 2024 V6 Hybrid Cayenne for around 6 months before coming to the same conclusion. 😉
Here is the paper
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0181301
I think flaw is it assumes that the meat that pets eat is the same as humans. It’s not. Dogs did is udders and ears which don’t get eaten by people. Obviously if you feed your dog human grade meat then it’s carbon fit print will be huge
The key to owning LR is having reliable garage to service and to maintain them; and not one that is trying to rip you off. Once you have that ready (garage and mechanic ready) it is just as reliable as any other 4x4.
And the OP needs something like a Defender for what exactly - or is it just a want?
For business/farm use, tow horse box, lives 5 miles up a forest road, etc etc.
My OH had a couple of LR's, now with a Kia 4x4 (use to tow horse box) but I much prefer driving my BMW saloon on actual roads.
It clearly isn't, haven't you been reading the thread?
but swap it for a camper van thread
I'd suggest that people also use campervans for their intended purpose, whereas many 4x4s will never be used for their intended purpose.
What I'm actually curious about, is why these people who buy/drive these type of vehicles to shop, do the school run and 'pose' in, think that most of the public are looking at them them thinking- 'oh wow look at them, they must be so rich, so lucky, so wonderful'. Unless these types of vehicles are being bought for genuine work/needs, then they shouldn't be on the road.
As mentioned above, I often see them parked up on double yellows, engine running, while someone 'just' nips into somewhere, without a single care for our planet, or the very children they are bringing into this world - and breath.
As mentioned above, I often see them parked up on double yellows, engine running, while someone ‘just’ nips into somewhere, without a single care for our planet, or the very children they are bringing into this world – and breath.
Our local 'entitled' Range Rover/Land Rover owners (I can't keep up, they have one each and they change them about every six months) live on a road that is currently being resurfaced so they can't get to their house between 9.30am and 4pm. Twice in the last week I have seen one or both of their vehicles parked on the roundabout which leads to the closed road – they just dump them as close as they possibly can to the road closure to save the effort of walking just a little bit further despite there being plenty of places they could have parked more safely.
What I’m actually curious about, is why these people who buy/drive these type of vehicles to shop, do the school run and ‘pose’ in, think that most of the public are looking at them them thinking- ‘oh wow look at them, they must be so rich, so lucky, so wonderful
I think that's more about the chip on your shoulder , rather than theirs....
I think that’s more about the chip on your shoulder , rather than theirs…
Hahaha - you are definitely having a laugh. As a regular on here you must shirley know I'm in the 'greeny' brigade.
Perhaps it’s nothing to do with “a chip on your shoulder” but a concern not just for the environment but also a reaction to the ostentatious display of wealth? We have such a huge disparity of opportunities and resources in this country (and the world in general) where some people have very little and rely on food banks and charities whilst others are driving around in resource hungry vehicles that cost more than a house! I must admit that my initial honest reaction to the OP wasn’t “good for you’ at being able to afford such a vehicle but why are you announcing it on here where there are people who ask advice on how to keep their one and only ‘banger” on the road? I bear no ill will to the OP but I dislike an increasing amount of posts here on STW. Sorry!
but why are you announcing it on here where there are people who ask advice on how to keep their one and only ‘banger” on the road?
Why shouldn't the OP talk about it on here? It's not in the rules that you can only talk about how poor you are. We've been here before, it's not povertytrackworld, it's a public forum. Some people have £10k bikes, some people don't. Do you piss and moan about that too?
I wasn’t saying that the OP shouldn’t post on here about purchase decisions, I was asking ‘’why”? We definitely have been here before when I expressed polite opinions about the use of excessive speed and the waste of resources, I believe I was told to get off the thread if I didn’t agree. I was reading last night about children that didn’t have beds to sleep in, warm clothes to wear (warm coats, gloves and hats being donated to schools) or hot food to eat, this is in the UK! I make no apologies for raising terrible inequalities - in a polite way.
Ok, point taken, but...
Whilst children in poverty is very sad and certainly shouldn't be happening in a country like the UK (if anywhere), what do you suppose middle/high earners do about it?
I'm not talking very/super rich - that amount of wealth shouldn't really be allowed as long as there is poverty, but that's a different discussion.
Should people that can afford some nice things not buy them because people that can't afford them don't like it? Should they give their earnings away? What?
Just for the record, I have a nice Land Rover - I'm not however cash rich, don't have a big flash house (still have a good chunk on my mortgage at 53), nor a big pension pot/savings. Sometimes I'll have some extra disposable income and use it to fund stuff - probably why I'm not cash rich
A mate came round in the summer to borrow a roof box for his new Defender 110. We had to get step ladders out to fit in on. The whole thing was bloody massive and why were we fitting the roof box? Because the boot was too small for his family of four to go on a week's holiday with all their stuff (albeit he may not of been a car packing ninja). It's conspicuous consumption (and I live in the land of this in leafy Surrey) for no reason, which I can see why it irks people.
Give me a nice sized estate any day!
The key to owning LR is having
..... getting rid when the warranty runs out.
it is just as reliable as any other 4×4
That is honestly laughable. A number of friends/family have had LR and almost every one has had problems - usually electrical but ranging up to completely seized engine on a 3 year old car.
getting rid when the warranty runs out
My current one has just hit three years old, so I'm paying £80/month for extended Land Rover warranty, which is worth it for peace of mind
That is honestly laughable. A number of friends/family have had LR and almost every one has had problems – usually electrical but ranging up to completely seized engine on a 3 year old car.
And then I've had three in the last 6 years with barely any issues as stated on page 1
Yes they CAN be unreliable, but they aren't ALWAYS the horror story that some would have you believe. That said, you get a bad one and I can imagine it's a nightmare
Does mental health outweigh the importance of the climate crisis?
Just got round to this one
Whilst I appreciate @munrobiker not berating me for owning a Land Rover (albeit while I do use one for work, I have one for pleasure)
Call me selfish, but to answer the question - personally, my own and my immediate family's health (mental or otherwise) matters to me more than any 'crisis'. Sometimes primary survival trumps everything else and sometimes people that pretend it doesn't are lying.
I'll be having a dog when my personal situation allows it again
Never trust a man that doesn't like dogs 😉
but they aren’t ALWAYS the horror story that some would have you believe.
and yet you're now forking out an extra grand a year on a 3yr old car because you just know it's going to go catastrophically wrong soon 🙂
and yet you’re now forking out an extra grand a year on a 3yr old car because you just know it’s going to go catastrophically wrong soon
No
I'm forking it on an extended warranty IN CASE anything goes wrong.
Lots of people buy worthless warranties with second hand cars. Quite happy to have a genuine manufacturers warranty to cover all eventualities. I'll probably only keep it this year and then move it on. A grand on top of a £55k car for peace of mind makes sense.
Check out LRtime on YouTube - humourous German husband and wife who fix their own Landrover V6 gen 1 & gen2 engines that have suffered snapped cranks. I'm a capable engineer but they've put me off buying any Landrover newer than a TD5
What about an Ineos? Nice BMW engine and auto box. Probably more capable offroad and even a little cheaper than a new Defender. I wouldn't mind one but struggling to get over giving Jim Ratcliffe any of my hard earned cash.
albeit while I do use one for work, I have one for pleasure
I'm assuming there's a missing"n't" somewhere in there.?
Can't recall the earlier posts, but I'm going to work on the basis that you do own a LR.
Sometimes primary survival trumps everything
And having a LR is essential for primary survival?
Apologies if I've got that wrong. Been on a live incident call all day
I’m assuming there’s a missing”n’t” somewhere in there.?
Can’t recall the earlier posts, but I’m going to work on the basis that you do own a LR.
I have one for work and pleasure, so two. Poor grammar in the initial reply.
munro was stating that some people such as me have a need for one, which for work is mostly true - I could get away with a different vehicle, but a commercial Land Rover is pretty much ideal for muddy solar farms. I fessed up to having one for personal use too though
And having a LR is essential for primary survival?
Apologies if I’ve got that wrong. Been on a live incident call all day
Nothing to do with Land Rovers per se - was a reply (again to munrobiker) who stated that the climate crisis trumps mental health
I have one for work and pleasure, so two. Poor grammar in the initial reply.
munro was stating that some people such as me have a need for one, which for work is mostly true – I could get away with a different vehicle, but a commercial Land Rover is pretty much ideal for muddy solar farms. I fessed up to having one for personal use too though
Ah. Makes sense. Ta
Fabulous this morning - heavy frost overnight.
Lay in bed and remote start it half an hour before leaving the house. That should wind a few up 😉 . Get in, heated seats on, heated steering wheel on, heated windscreen and heated washer jets (I know lots of cars have these) to get rid of the remaining ice.
Our cul de sac was like a skating rink, so put it in Grass/Gravel/Snow mode - asked me if I wanted to deploy low traction launch, so I did. Couldn't get the wheels to spin at all - on Scorpion Zero summer road tyres.
Half a dozen cold days a year certainly aren't justification for buying a Land Rover, but it feels a very safe place to be - likewise when we had the snow on Monday night and I had to drive to Essex at 6am Tuesday
Not used it on this one yet, but on my previous Disco 5, Hill Descent Control on ice was equally awesome - hearing each wheel independently moving and braking to get optimal grip. Wouldn't fancy relying on it on anything too steep with sheet ice though
Yeah, I know - cool story bro....
feels a very safe place to be –
Ah, the tragedy of the commons eh.
As mentioned above, I often see them parked up on double yellows, engine running, while someone ‘just’ nips into somewhere, without a single care for our planet, or the very children they are bringing into this world – and breath.
As this thread is back here's another cool story bro.
When I'm at a co-working space I use I tend to head over to a local bakery to grab my lunch. This involves crossing a relatively busy road, but that's fine because there's a zebra crossing really conveniently placed so no worries. On this particular day I note a shiny looking new style Defender parked up next to the bakery, on the zig zag white lines for the zebra crossing. Not great, but it's ok because they've pressed the international park anywhere button. On my way past it because I'm a nosy whatsit I try to peer in to see if there's anyone still sat at the wheel/how posh the interior is but they've got the drug dealer spec tinted windows so nothing doing.
Anyway I head into the bakery and end up queuing behind a bunch of tradesmen getting their orders in, and directly behind a woman who seems a bit jumpy. She's constantly looking round past me to try and see out the bakery door, and I figure she's looking to see if a friend appears before she reaches the front of the queue or something. A few minutes goes past, and eventually she asks me if I can hold her place in the queue. Sure I says, no skin off my nose.
She pops out of the shop, climbs up into the Defender (and I do mean climbs, she was not tall), and returns a minute later with a very small baby in a car seat. I don't know what the STW collective thinks about leaving babies unattended in cars but at that moment it was all I could do not to go 'fork me' out loud.
I know it could have been any car at all, but way to lean into the stereotype. At least she'll have been fine with the frosty weather the last few days eh?
I've spent years driving them for work, I wouldn't own one if you paid me. My nephew is a business manager for a land Rover dealer, he drives a Kia.... they are all shite from series one to current models....
Fabulous this morning – heavy frost overnight.
Got my bike out the garage jumped on it went to work, bet I had more fun than you.
Fabulous this morning – heavy frost overnight
Plenty of other cars have heaters and traction control.
Got my bike out the garage jumped on it went to work, bet I had more fun than you
The M1 would have been pretty shit on a bike tbf
Plenty of other cars have heaters and traction control.
Ok
Land Rovers terrain response systems are a bit more than traction control, but whatever 😉
asked me if I wanted to deploy low traction launch, so I did. Couldn’t get the wheels to spin at all – on Scorpion Zero summer road tyres.
I just have all season tyres.
Land Rovers terrain response systems are a bit more than traction control, but whatever
Most people, and in this example you too, drive their cars on normal roads. So all your “terrain systems” aren’t doing much in this instance, other than providing a basic traction control function
The M1 would have been pretty shit on a bike tbf
The M1 is shit whatever the mode of transport, even with traction control!
Most people, and in this example you too, drive their cars on normal roads. So all your “terrain systems” aren’t doing much in this instance, other than providing a basic traction control function
Although I'm far from an expert in the matter, I'd beg to differ. As well as altering the throttle and braking to the two driving wheels that most traction control systems do, it alters the gearing and the actual throttle response, as well as changing the way the power is delivered to all four wheels by controlling the centre diff. I don't see many standard cars with HDC either - get it on other 4x4's though. Driving round the estate yesterday with it turned on and zero wheel slip or loss of traction - turning snow mode off (note - doesn't turn traction control off) round the same roads and it was much easier to get it going sideways.
It's not really that important, but seeing as people want to argue the toss about a Land Rover with a complex awd system having zero benefits over a standard car in adverse conditions....
The M1 is shit whatever the mode of transport, even with traction control!
Well, indeed
There is no doubt that the Land Rover 4wd systems are good at maximising traction, but in your use case yesterday, ie driving around a modern housing estate in a bit of snow in Sheffield, such clever systems are complete overkill.
For 99% of users (and I know you are maybe in the 1% of people who might use the capabilities of a Land Rover due to your job), a normal car without such systems will be fine. Anybody who considers that they might need to get through wintery conditions should get some decent winter / all season tyres, or even push the boat out to a 4wd system. Look at what people use in cold places such as northern Sweden or the alps - plenty of normal cars about, very few people need to rely on land rovers. And lightweight 4wd cars such as panda 4x4 or jimny are very popular as the reduced mass is a big advantage when grip is low compared to a heavy Land Rover
For most people (and to be clear I’m not saying you) a Land Rover is totally unnecessary. In a thread titled “Land Rover defender curious” I think it’s fair to point this out
Fair enough ^^
Was sheet ice though and Darley Dale 😉
Just checked actually and the Scorpions are All Season, had it in my head they were summers
Well in sheet ice, you’ve got no traction on any wheel so at that point you may as well be in a sledge 😉
Gratuitous picture of my (work) Land Rover off road 😉
Houndkirk above Sheffield a few years ago
That was on road tyres, but tbh, ground clearance aside, most things would have got up there that day, the snow was quite grippy iirc
Heavy snow for us and the OH needed to go to the stables (she does have a proper 4x4 on all-seasons but isn't 100% confident in the snow) so I took her over the hills in my BMW - just an xDrive saloon with winter tyres.
Who needs an SUV.
That was on road tyres, but tbh, ground clearance aside, most things would have got up there that day, the snow was quite grippy iirc
Does the grip come from the tires or the traction control? If you switch off the traction control does it still grip?
I go off road at least once a week down a muddy track, so I could make the case for something like a LR. I currently use a Suzuki Vitara with a fairly basic 4WD system and summer tyres. As above, the biggest requirement for me, and the only reason for getting a LR, would be ground clearance. The track is fairly rutted so very easy to bash the underneath. The actual 4WD bit work fine.
A few years march i use to lift share with a colleague who drove an old style automatic rear wheel drive volvo. Driving home from work we over took a Range Rover on a snow covered dual carriageway. We were both suprised as she’s not a fast driver. As we were passing we noticed that its tyres weren’t cutting through the snow and it was visibly unstable.
Looks like my Disco 4 is going for spares or repairs heaven. It's 13 years old and just as I was thinking how faultless it's been after 2 years, the parking brake seized (a common fault). That was £1300 to fix. Then a month after I got it back the engine seized. The garage are saying any decent engine's he can find are around £5000 and so may not be worth it. He ordered a cheaper one but it seemed to have many more miles than claimed so sent it back.
A shame as it's only done 140000 miles. I think it's something to do with me forgetting to getting it serviced earlier this year. Oops
I'm just glad it didn't happen towing the caravan this summer.
{Landrover hill descent mode enabled} .......oh bugger!
Meanwhile my little plucky French shitbox 'offroader' (big steel baseplates, light guards, +30mm suspension compared to a normal Berlingo) keeps plodding on without ABS or traction control.
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Looks like my Disco 4 is going for spares or repairs heaven. It’s 13 years old and just as I was thinking how faultless it’s been after 2 years, the parking brake seized (a common fault). That was £1300 to fix. Then a month after I got it back the engine seized. The garage are saying any decent engine’s he can find are around £5000 and so may not be worth it. He ordered a cheaper one but it seemed to have many more miles than claimed so sent it back.
A shame as it’s only done 140000 miles. I think it’s something to do with me forgetting to getting it serviced earlier this year. Oops
I’m just glad it didn’t happen towing the caravan this summer.
I've had the EPB fail, didn't cost anything like that though.
Intention is to keep the D4 for many years, so if the inevitable happens and the crank eventually snaps, I think I'll go for a recon engine. On 150k currently
i follow LRTIME - Christian has rebuilt the handbrake mechanism. They've also replaced the snapped cranks in a few SDV6 engines
Does the grip come from the tires or the traction control? If you switch off the traction control does it still grip?
That depends.
The tyres grip until they don't. Then the traction control kicks in
Or you have driving assistance in place to make sure the tyres don't loose grip in the first place
Dunno
First and foremost has to come down to the actual grip of the rubber (contact point) onto the surface though
the snow was quite grippy iirc
there isn’t a lot of snow in that picture
Is everyone on this thread just looking for an argument?
Are you new here?
---insert laughing emoji---
Is everyone on this thread just looking for an argument?
Who said there was a lot of snow
I’m sorry, I just found it amusing that you were saying how amazing the traction control was then posted a picture of a discovery in a dusting of snow.
I’m sorry, I just found it amusing that you were saying how amazing the traction control was then posted a picture of a discovery in a dusting of snow.
Did you actually read the post attached to the picture?
Our cul de sac was like a skating rink, so put it in Grass/Gravel/Snow mode – asked me if I wanted to deploy low traction launch, so I did. Couldn’t get the wheels to spin at all – on Scorpion Zero summer road tyres.
Can i just bring up the fact that getting in a car that weighs eleventy tonnes and driving it around a residential area covered in sheet ice on summer tyres is just spectacularly negligent? A 2WD Nissan Kumquat on all season tyres would at least stop.
”I’ve got incredible 4WD and traction control” doesn’t really work when you need to stop, steer, or both.
Can i just bring up the fact that getting in a car that weighs eleventy tonnes and driving it around a residential area covered in sheet ice on summer tyres is just spectacularly negligent
Ok, I'll stay at home next time it's icy Karen
Jesus wept, there's no wonder all the schools close these days when it's a bit cold
They are all seasons btw, my mistake in the initial post 😉
I’ve got incredible 4WD and traction control” doesn’t really work when you need to stop, steer, or both.
Amazingly, it did all three absolutely fine, hence the rambling about it in the first place...
Looks like my Disco 4 is going for spares or repairs heaven. It’s 13 years old and just as I was thinking how faultless it’s been after 2 years, the parking brake seized (a common fault). That was £1300 to fix. Then a month after I got it back the engine seized. The garage are saying any decent engine’s he can find are around £5000 and so may not be worth it. He ordered a cheaper one but it seemed to have many more miles than claimed so sent it back.
A shame as it’s only done 140000 miles. I think it’s something to do with me forgetting to getting it serviced earlier this year. Oops
I’m just glad it didn’t happen towing the caravan this summer.
My sister had the engine in her 2005 Disco fail. It was about £5000 for that and a £1000 or so of other fixes and ancillaries while it was out and things were easy to get at.
Compared to the lottery of spending the same budget on a new car it was worth doing to her mind. Different if you've got the budget to go newer / lower mileage.
Had to pop out yesterday in the snow/ice to get my elderly in-laws food. Carer was stuck and couldn’t get to them.
My old Mazda 6 with no name very worn(but legal tyres) got me there and back minimal issues. Seen lots of folks stranded/spinning wheels wildly !!
4x4 Awd etc aren’t required if you can actually drive !!
Maybe not everyone is blessed with such driving prowess as you have been bestowed with??
Had to call over to Dronfield Woodhouse to see the FiL this morning. Roads flooded with cars turning back at Rowsley. Fiesta with presumably a hydrolocked engine stranded at Baslow.
No problem in the Disco 😉
For proper deep water it's got a wade setting - raises the suspension to it's highest setting and the side cameras monitor the depth
Ok, I’ll stay at home next time it’s icy Karen. Amazingly, it did all three absolutely fine, hence the rambling about it in the first place…
Exactly. If you absolutely need to be driving around in wintry conditions then you need winter tyres or you stay at home. Or walk.
Though perhaps you should consult for our friends in Scandinavia and explain to them that they’ve got it all wrong, and that instead of mandating winter tyres they should have insisted everyone bought a Land Rover Discovery?
But he isn't saying that is he!
We could al be mincing about on Raleigh Choppers at weekends but most of us choose not to. I could be driving a Mazda 6 with part worn ditch finders but I choose not to.
For #%%£ sake just buy which ever nasty 4x4 you want. We get the op has lots of money and very entitled.
Though perhaps you should consult for our friends in Scandinavia and explain to them that they’ve got it all wrong, and that instead of mandating winter tyres they should have insisted everyone bought a Land Rover Discovery?
If you could point out where I'm suggesting people shouldn't buy winter tyres and get a Discovery instead....
Albeit for our 'nothing like Scandinavian winter' they could be considered overkill when All Seasons are pretty much adequate.
At the end of the day, if you manage to get about in a safe manner with no hair raising moments, surely whatever car or tyres you are using is doing a good enough job for the conditions. I happen to like having a Discovery, so I'm extolling it's virtues on a thread - about Land Rovers