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They might have to try and buy him out(he is a large share holder). I'm sure their lawyers are all over it right now! He should do sell up and give the money away.
One of the greatest achivement of the modern age is giving you internet access while on the throne.
AMEN
I'm in where do I send the money?
Ummm...paypal....email in profile?
Is the technicality that USADA got him on that he was a lieing cheating dope taker ?
Is it a piss take?
Anybody else tempted to dontate?
dontate?
Saw that. Still can't work out if it's a joke or not
Lifer can we transfer Kasae to the organisation ?
They are mentalists - arguing healthcare for all will costs lifes
and my favourite
Since Thomas Edison and the Spindletop gushers that started the Texas oil boom, America has been the world leader in energy development. From electricity to nuclear power, American technology and industrial innovations have fueled global economic transformation with new forms of energy.Today, [b]we’re pioneering in new areas like conservation and green energy technologies.[/b] And America can continue to be the global energy leader for decades to come –
I cannot think why they dont point out that the Us of A consumes more than 25 % of the power of the planet despite their population being less than 5 % of the population
It really is, at times, a strange an unenlightened country
I had pleasure of watching Monster Trucks on the Extreme channel with my 4 year old today; any country that can sell out a stadium and cheer a clown cars is FUBAR
reading that article it appears that the sole aim of livestrong is to promote Lance,
Err, yeah, whats your point?
I had pleasure of watching Monster Trucks on the Extreme channel with my 4 year old today; any country that can sell out a stadium and cheer a clown cars is FUBAR
If you've not been to a monster truck show you won't undertand.
Awesome.
p.s. LALA is a lying, cheating, scumbag bully.
Heard on the radio this am that Trek had left Armstrong.
Nike, Trek Bicycles, RadioShack and Giro have terminated their contracts with Lance Armstrong
Oakley?
You know Lance invented yellow? Well that means he's responsible for a Coldplay song. That's worse than doping. F$*%£+g w$*&^r. 😈
Nike, Trek Bicycles, RadioShack and Giro have terminated their contracts with Lance Armstrong
Doesn't he pretty much own Trek? I thought he was one of the biggest shareholders?
[url= http://fox6now.com/2012/10/17/trek-lance-armstrong/ ]http://fox6now.com/2012/10/17/trek-lance-armstrong/[/url]
Nah ... I've read this morn it's less than 1%... of course that could be monkeys
Mashek said Armstrong still retains the small share of the company.“He was granted a very small share in the early 1990s, less than a quarter of one percent,” Mashek said. “The majority is privately held by the Burke family
Yeah, I was mistaken. Still, I wouldn't say no to a quarter of a % in Trek!
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According to the article about it on Bikeradar, Lance owns a tiny pat of Trek,
“He was granted a very small share in the early 1990s, less than a quarter of one percent,” Mashek said. “The majority is privately held by the Burke family.”
Only Oakley left to go then that's the big sponsors all gone!
I wonder if any of the big name sponsors will try and sue to get their money back that they paid him during the doping years?
According to the article about it on Bikeradar, Lance owns a tiny pat of Trek,
“He was granted a very small share in the early 1990s, less than a quarter of one percent,” Mashek said. “The majority is privately held by the Burke family.”
Only Oakley left to go then that's the big sponsors all gone!
I wonder if any of the big name sponsors will try and sue to get their money back that they paid him during the doping years?
There is so much money involved and legal/business ties between lance/livestrong and the sponsors, it renders these statements about dropping him fairly meaningless. They need to be seen to be doing something. By the sounds of it, most of them where complicit in the doping regime by exerting financial and political pressure to protect their biggest star.
As for Lance stepping down from being chairman of the Lance PR campaign (or his ‘cancer shield’ as it’s been called) that is Livestrong, he’s still on the board and I’m sure it will continue to function in exactly the same way.
I hope to see the heat turn firmly onto the UCI and McQuaid/Verbruggen in the next week or so.
Hmmm - Have been looking at a Trek Madone...
The proliferation of LaLa photos in their marketing material was a little unsettling 🙁
I wonder if any of the big name sponsors will try and sue to get their money back that they paid him during the doping years?
Assuming they return the money made while he was endorsing their products, why not?
Trek appear to have purged their website of LA photos
The knives are most definately out...
[url= http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/10/18/uk-cycling-armstrong-uci-idUKBRE89H0AP20121018 ]Act or Quit[/url]
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9616969/UCI-honorary-president-Hein-Verbruggen-rejects-misleading-article-that-he-defended-Lance-Armstrong.html ]Verbruggen under pressure[/url]
Oakley have stated that their policy is to stand by their athletes until charges are proven either in a court of law or by the highest recognised sporting body. They have therefore said that they are standing by LA until the UCI make their decision.
I was thinking the other day, it's only a matter of time before Strava strip Lance of his KOMs. 😀
Assuming they return the money made while he was endorsing their products, why not?
Perhaps you could expand on the principles of marketing for us all?
You sound like you really understand it
Have you considered teaching this somewhere hot?
Hmm, looks like the naughty Dr Ferrari may not have got the letter banning him from working with athletes...
😯
I was thinking the other day, it's only a matter of time before Strava strip Lance of his KOMs
I don't believe Strava recognises USADA.
so they share the same view as LA then 😉
Im surprised at the surprise 'believers' have shown regarding LA and his doping
"surely it can't be true?" 8O. 🙄
the evidence has been out there for years, just goes to show that a bit of guillability and marketing can fool the masses into believing anything.
I also find the use of the word 'allegations' by the Lance enablers equally amusing, as if they are still open to question.
That Stand Up For Lance website has gone and so has the video on youtube.
Was it a joke and they've been made to take it down, or was it genuine and someone at Restore America's Voice realise they had backed a loser? Their site is still there.
[url= http://www.rabosport.com/news/item/25789 ]Rabobank end sponsorship of pro cycling..[/url]
"We are not confident that this will change for the better in the foreseeable future"
How many more will follow suit?
Great to see a bank taking the moral high ground. There is no room for liars and cheats in sport.
From David Millar on twitter
"Dear Rabobank, you were part of the problem. How dare you walk away from your young clean guys who are part of the solution. Sickening."
Just read the Rabobank statement. You can't really blame them as their comment regarding a having no confidence that the sport is incapable of cleaning it's self is pretty true. They could of course have stayed and enforced clean sport on the team so am sympathetic to Millars comments.
Will the UCI listen, not sure yet.
Which major sponsor will go next? Sky?
I kind of agree with DM but I can certainly see at the same time that Rabobank and others won't have confidence in the sport until there's some definitive change - eg the UCI leadership actually changes...
Sky won't leave unless their riders start testing positive - at present they're trusted and it's good for their image.
Doping accusationsAccording to a 2012 investigation by de Volkskrant, doping was used by Rabobank riders since 1998 and condoned by the team, with team physicians actively monitoring the health of those riders. According to Stefan Matschiner, a key witness in the Humanplasma scandal, three (former) Rabobank riders were customers of the Swiss blood doping expert. Matschiner mentioned Michael Boogerd, the most successful Dutch Rabobank rider, and said one other team member was a customer. Theo de Rooij, Rabo's manager since 2003 and responsible for pulling Michael Rasmussen from the 2007 Tour de France, did not deny doping was used by team riders, but said that the use of doping was neither suggested nor paid for by the team.[6]
Great to see a bank taking the moral high ground.
Yes, the irony of a bank taking the moral high ground isn't lost on me either!
Yes, the irony of a bank taking the moral high ground isn't lost on me either!
To be fair to Rabobank, they are the only bank in the Netherlands that has not needed government support and no bail outs. They are also a co-operative which is in theory run for the benefit of their customers, they have no shareholders.
Bad day for cycling. I disagree with Millar though-were the Rabo executives in on the doping back in the day? Doubtful...Rabobank top brass aren't the DS's of the team are they?!
Sorry, more speculation on LaLa here..
[url= http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/the-coming-confession/ ]The Confession[/url]
I can actually see that happening, he tweeted something a bit odd the other day along the lines of 'why does trouble always start out as fun' which sounds to me like the beginnings of something, but I also agree he'll not apologize to the people who's lives he has made hell.
I think maybe hes waiting for the outcome of the hog and the other dr's hearings.
were the Rabo executives in on the doping back in the day? Doubtful...
Were the Rabo execs guilty of over-pressurising the team to get a Dutch winner of the Spring Classic, TDF etc... I think so.
Agree with DM they should MTFU throw out the management and initiate a clean team policy.
Were the Rabo execs guilty of over-pressurising the team to get a Dutch winner of the Spring Classic, TDF etc... I think so.
Probably not, frankly the Exec Board members would have had very few dealings with the team at all, I went to the Tour with Rabo a couple of times, they regarded a few stage wins as a brilliant tour, I am sure that they would have preferred to have more winners at Amstel Gold as this was their biggest cycling customer entertaining event of the year, but I did not get the impression of them as a win at all costs outfit.
Rabobank's statement made me feel a little angry tbh. Totally agree with Millar. Yes, it doesn't reflect well on them and they obviously want to make their position clear, but jumping on the bandwagon and potentially damaging the sport for a few of their own browny points comes across as selfish and cowardly.
There's a lot of opportunity to improve cycling for the better right now, and I can't help but feel they could have put in a more positive contribution than that.
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9620902/UCI-to-respond-to-US-anti-doping-agencys-scathing-Lance-Armstrong-report-on-Monday.html ]It's going to be Monday.....[/url]
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Hora so have you had enough time to ponder my question?
so do you still think he's innocent and didn't dope?
just wonderin like.
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Some more good news for Lance. will be interesting to see if it's corroborated
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-860283
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Hora so have you had enough time to ponder my question?
so do you still think he's innocent and didn't dope?
just wonderin like.
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Hora so have you had enough time to ponder my question?
so do you still think he's innocent and didn't dope?
just wonderin like.
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Based on this story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20014630
I don't think he's going to be doing any confessing just yet...
glitch bump
45 pages is too much for the forum to cope with... 😉
Hmm the bit where he suggests Lance never had cancer wouldn't seem to lend credibility to it. One of the comments about when Livestrong bands came out is interesting too.
And, $35,000 to ride with him!?
Edit: eh, where's the post I was replying to gone? OMG conspiracy!
grum - did you just reply to a thread you made up in your head? 🙂
The post is the last one on page 45....
Oh......
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So I think what we've established is Lance is a complete **** and doped. I don't think there are many people except maybe hora who don't accept that.
I don't think there are many people except maybe hora who don't accept that.
and Lance of course
So I think what we've established is Lance is a complete **** and doped. I don't think there are many people except maybe hora who don't accept that.
I fully expect some kind of statement about the good work he does for others, how he's always been a fighter of just causes and how he sees himself as an inspiration to others as a means to avoid the pertinent question.
Much like lance has done...
Lance can't admit the truth for various legal and financial reasons. If he's not forced to by a court (and even then he can plead the fifth) then he'll just leave it hanging.
It's a sad day when LA is probably more hated than Jimmy S.
By the sound of most on here you would rather let JS babysit your 14 year old girls than Lance.
Some of you guys need to calm down a bit and get some perspective
Strawman anyone?
Strawman anyone?
Yep
It's a sad day when LA is probably more hated than Jimmy S.By the sound of most on here you would rather let JS babysit your 14 year old girls than Lance.
Some of you guys need to calm down a bit and get some perspective
Some of you need to stop taking the Internet so seriously and not get so excited about what somebody you don't know has posted on a forum that you need to "calm down" 🙄
Whatever you say smith
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Where IS Hora anyway? He's gone all quiet. I have visions of him rocking back and forth in a chair moaning "Lance, how could you?" over and over...
In another thread hora said 'they all cheated, he was just the best at cheating'. 😐
There is some truth in that
'they all cheated' - some of them because lance bullied them into it, and apart from the ones who weren't cheating who were victimised and intimidated out of the sport.
How did lance intimidate say someone like Frank Schleck ? People were cheating before Armstrong and they have been cheating since he left. With all the organising of the drugs and all the intimidation and bullying how did he find time to ride a bike.
How did lance intimidate say someone like Frank Schleck ?
Straw man - who claimed he has?
People were cheating before Armstrong and they have been cheating since he left.
True - has anyone claimed people only cheated due to LA? Relevance?
With all the organising of the drugs and all the intimidation and bullying how did he find time to ride a bike.
Is this a serious question? I am not sure what you are trying to imply could you be explicit?
A lot cheated but the they all cheated but LA was the best is just another part of the mythology BS LA awesome legend- ie we are meant to think if they were all clean he would still have won. The problem is his clean results are average [ for a pro and he did not even complete a TdF before winning it*] and we all know that the drugs dont affect everyone equally so he may have just got the best boost from the regime or dont the best system etc
All we can say is that of the cheats he was the best at cheating and some of the riders were riding clean.
* he is not listed in the classification results on Wiki - if anyone knows differently I am happy to have the full answer.
Is this what the Lance-defenders have been reduced to? Clutching at tiny straws.