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He's a bad lad 🙂
this is actually more interesting than I thought, given the restrictions that his legal team have no doubt in place prior to the interview.
I wonder if Oprah mentions Bassons by name ?
I've watched the first minute, don't think I need to watch any more. time for bed!
No Paxman is she? 😕
wow......my bullsh*t detector has just gone off big time lol
(i would love to see Paxman vs armstrong !)
"Stay tuned, while we negotiate more bs" lol
Join us after these adverts for EPO..............
😀
"Your gonna find this hard to believe...."
Carried on watching, despite myself, and the OH has pointed out his body language - suddenly turning rather shifty and evasive. One becomes very aware of the points on which he could legally get nailed right now - doping from 2009 onwards, telling other riders they had to dope, etc.
So yeah, starting with a bit of truth, then back on the same ol' wagon of lies
your very right nicko74, its the bits he is missing out that are very telling.....another ad break for performance enhancing drugs.....
Wondering what all the French think of this?
Wondering what all the French think of this?
"ah, these ferkin American, why do they put thees show on so late? Merde! Eh, fromage? C'est bon!!"😉
So what does the esteemed forum think thus far about Lance ?????
lol at nicko
He's a drug cheat who'll lie to save himself. There's no reason to believe he's suddenly decide to go clean in 2009/2010.
The interview is flaaaaaawed!
So we can start to fill in the gaps:
- 2001 positive/ UCI payoff: as a buddy asked - why's he protecting them?
- 2009 TdF - too recent, could be sued?
- Telling teammates to dope - definitely evasive language there...
even though he's gone on TV to say he did it, I don't reckon he did.
your right bigRich ....I dont think he was the first man on the moon
must be a tough come down off the drugs as they can only manage 3 mins between ads
Now for a handful of downers so I can get to sleep
Learnt more about Lenor than Lance.
Jeesh, enough with the ad breaks already.
I dont get why he's doing this interview? He's really not coming across very well. What he hopes to achive I dont know. I dont trust a word he's saying, He dosent seem perticually remorseful, in fact hes a pretty nasty vindictive ahole.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist
"In contemporary research and clinical practice, Robert D. Hare's Psychopathy Checklist, Revised (PCL-R) is the psycho-diagnostic tool most commonly used to assess psychopathy."
Factor 1: Personality "Aggressive narcissism"
[list]
[*]Glibness/superficial charm[/*]
[*]Grandiose sense of self-worth[/*]
[*]Pathological lying[/*]
[*]Cunning/manipulative[/*]
[*]Lack of remorse or guilt[/*]
[*]Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)[/*]
[*]Callousness; lack of empathy[/*]
[*]Failure to accept responsibility for own actions[/*]
[/list]
I can see why Oprah did it.....
it's a heap of **** though about as insightful as tea leaves
Wrong thread for all that,Kcr. It's the thread with the south african girlie you should be posting that on ;O)
I feel a bit creeped out by the whole thing.
He is completely insane IMO. I really hope he ends up bankrupt or locked up.
Betsy Adreau crucified him on CNN after.
For anyone like me who missed it
And the Betsy Andreu CNN bit
Does anyone know why he was asked if he sued Emma O'Reilly? I had always read that that happened, even if the outcome was unclear
Wondering what all the French think of this?
They will mostly be wishing he'd been French then he could still have looked forward to a lucrative deal as a TV broadcaster and continued national hero status like Richard Virenque.
Somebody should start a ' Dealing with Liars ' thread. 🙂
admissions are dull
BRING ON THE REVELATIONS!!!1111ONEoneone
Well thats one of my hero's firmly buried.
Oprah should have let Nicole Cooke do the interview.
Even the small segment of Lance on the Andreu clip is enough.
What a lying, self serving ****.
Well thats one of my hero's firmly buried.
You actually believe he did it now then?
Well thats one of my hero's firmly buried.
You still 'believed' up to now? Or are you hoping LA kneels by your bedside and whispers in your ear "it's o.k Mark it was just a dream, no need to cry"
All the enablers and apologists should be embarrassed about their guillability.
Nicole Cooke giving her reaction on BBC Breakfast now.
So, anyone heard from his best chum Robin Williams lately? He spent many years attacking Lance's doubters.... Even using them in his comedy stand ups. Venom was particularly aimed at the French, like the whole country.
Nicole Cooke giving her reaction on BBC Breakfast now.
God she's ****ing boring. A career in TV doesn't beckon.
Well what did we expect folks. It was never gonna be any different. Gonna stop wasting my time with it now.
Transcript of the interview on the BBC site [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/21065539 ]here[/url]
Gave up after three minutes, got to the point when Oprah asks him why, after 13 years of lying, he is owning up now. He struggles to answer, the actual answer is because he got caught!
Hora, you are hilarious. It takes until now for you to 'bury' one of your sporting heros. Did you really retain some hope for him until last night?
Anyway that's the "its just accusations from bitter losers" excuse put finally to bed.
I guess there will be some still clinging to the "level playing field" excuse.
I haven't seen the interview yet but reading some of the transcripts it is clear the only thing he is remorseful about is being caught.
I caught some of this on Radio 4 this morning and yeah there was the "well everyone else was doing it" excuse. He even tried to use a dictionary definition of the word cheat as part of his reasoning that he wasn't really a cheat.
I'll not post my current opinion of him for fear of ban for either swearing or swear filter avoidance.
I'll not post my current opinion of him for fear of ban for either swearing or swear filter avoidance.
James Naughtie describing Jeremy Hunt??
Anyone believe it when he says he did not dope on the comeback in 2009?
No of course not. He is playing the long game, he was dirty the whole time but he is managing his risk of perjury from 2005 as I believe the statute of limitations is 7 years. Utter cock the whole lot. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could chuck a mattress up a spiral staircase.
In the best Glaswegian tradition, it would probably be a tirade of compound swear words (including that one).
Not watched it yet, but I keep thinking of this:
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Right, now he's fessed up and done a 'David Millar' can we all love him again and suggest that the only way to clean up cycling is make him president of the UCI?
I for one think he'd make an excellent choice, after all DM only wrote a children's novel* on the subject whereas Lance got to go on Oprah!
* it was accidentally miss classified as a Biography.
What will the long term ramifications be? Will he get lots of folk after him now?
The most sickening thing i've heard in years,this guy should go to jail
The most sickening thing i've heard in years,this guy should go to jail
really?
Yes he should probably do some jail time but he never raped or killed anyone, didn't abuse anybodies child or disfigure anyone. Lance Armstrong cheating at riding a bike doesn't even get on to my scale of sickening things.
I'm glad he did this interview for the simple reason that it's shown the whole world exactly what kind of person he actually is.
Some of the intimidation, and definitely the abuse of power and wealth through the legal system goes beyond cheating in sport.
Perhaps the biggest revelation is really how twisted the legal system is in favour of the rich and powerful.
Nicole is right: Lance, "and others like him" cheated clean riders out of wins, and even careers.
Nothing new in the interview that we didn't already know , I think Oprah did a decent job to be fair. The only point I'll make is this , If I had defrauded sponsors and organisations of millions of pounds of money and was then seen to have broken the law in order to get It I'd be jailed.
End of story .
Bankers, celebrities and politicians walk free, Stanfree.
And rightly so, for they are better than us common folk.
Hora, you are hilarious. It takes until now for you to 'bury' one of your sporting heros. Did you really retain some hope for him until last night?
When a man denies something for so long you tend to block part of your brain that would over-ride the last vestige of 'hope' (denial) etc.
I think he should go to jail. People who commit small scale fraud with credit card/loans etc- his financial fraud was massive and multiple.
When hes sat in jail he can then reflect on where he went wrong.
He was brilliant!
Whoever does his pr is a genius.
Beautiful to watch in its simplicity.
Admit to the stuff that you can, in sufficient quantity and detail to let most people and the media believe it's a tick in the box.
Also, starts to make those still chiming up to have him hanged sound like squeaky gates.
The media has had it's moment of big revelation, everything from now on will be "just another bit about LA" and a bit of an anti-climax.
It's going to take something really sharp to get this back up in the news after the weekend.
Chapeau most definitely doffed to whoever you are, you are a consomethinge spinner.
Oh, and LA, a most odious, devious and duplicitous individual. 😀
It's lovely that he called Betsy Andreu crazy and a bitch but did definitely not say she was fat. He seems to think that's a positive. What a ****.
While Armstrong's admission is another step in the right direction for cycling, it seems to me that the more pressing problem at the moment is the continuing presence of Pat McQuaid and Hein Verbruggen in positions of leadership at the UCI. It's hard to see how McQuaid in particular can be anything other than irretrievably tainted by the lack of leadership, and possible collusion, during the Armstrong era when there was clearly a lack of will within the UCI to adequately investigate the suspicions that were growing about Lance's success.
Even Phil Liggett, the international voice of cycling, feels let down by Armstrong.
Surely he knew all along?
Brian Cookson, president of British Cycling, was on BBC news earlier. Lets just say he wasn't impressed by Mr A, the newsreaders seemed a little taken aback by his stance 🙂
when there was clearly a lack of will within the UCI to adequately investigate the suspicions that were growing about Lance's success.
Not just a lack of will to investigate, but fought tooth and nail to stop the USDA investigation.
Learnt more about Lenor than Lance.
LOL
The most sickening thing i've heard in years,this guy should go to jail
His treatmeent of folk was more sickening this is just the show trial and his attempt at redemption
TBH this sums up his attitude [ my bold]
You said to me earlier you don't think it was possible to win without doping?
Not in that generation, and I'm not here to talk about others in that generation. It's been well-documented. I didn't invent the culture, but I didn't try to stop the culture, and that's my mistake, and that's what I have to be sorry for, and that's what something and the sport is now paying the price because of that. [b]So I am sorry for that. I didn't have access to anything else that nobody else did.[/b]"
so he is sorry he cheated [ but hes not really a cheat], sorry he did nothing about it - he made it worse much worse.
Should have been more on his treatment of Emma and others as ell as we all knew about the cheating but what made him do that and to that level?
I think he should go to jail. People who commit small scale fraud with credit card/loans etc- his financial fraud was massive and multiple.
By that logic, all the drugs cheats should be locked up then. There would be some talent in that jail, perhaps they could form a prison team? Smuggle in EPO in cakes and peoples arse holes?
I heard that in part two he implicates Wiggo.
He was brilliant!
Whoever does his pr is a genius.
Beautiful to watch in its simplicity.
Admit to the stuff that you can, in sufficient quantity and detail to let most people and the media believe it's a tick in the box.
Also, starts to make those still chiming up to have him hanged sound like squeaky gates.
The media has had it's moment of big revelation, everything from now on will be "just another bit about LA" and a bit of an anti-climax.
It's going to take something really sharp to get this back up in the news after the weekend.
Chapeau most definitely doffed to whoever you are, you are a consomethinge spinner.
+1
The whole thing is stage managed to an astonishing degree.
Having said that, going by what I've seen on various news reports, blogs, forums and twitter feeds this morning, it's not worked particularly well with the more enlightened watchers.
a cover version is in the works
I just read some comments on the BBC, its worked with the General public, they mainly seem to buy the "it was a level playing field" bullshit.
"When I was diagnosed, that turned me into a fighter. That was good. I took that ruthless win-at-all-costs attitude into cycling which was bad"
The cancer made me do it. Jesus Christ 🙁
I heard that in part two he implicates Wiggo.
I don't buy into any of the podium finishes as being 100% clean. If the testing was that bad and/or you doped out of season then rode clean on the approach- who knows?
Hora you have only just realised that LA was a cheat please dont swing to the other extreme and think this means they all must be cheats
Whilst i dont wish to mock you, I remember believing the LA dream[ or wanting to] and being pissed off when i realised he was just a fraud
This view you now have is no wiser than the view you previously held.
it might make sense to listen to some others views on this as they have had the better judgement.
I mean that inoffensively unlike some who have posted at you.
As LA clearly says he will not mention riders [ and will have no knowledge on this anyway] i think that may just be a joke 💡
If there is one thing to come out of this , Its that I'd definately nail Betsy Andreu.
+1
Not at the same time tho
LOL at Hora
While it's understandable that Armstrong's actions will cast a long shadow over professional cycling for a long time, I think we're all missing the bigger picture; namely that he's ruined the film Dodgeball for ever.
Without Armstrong's intervention in the heart-rending emotional climax, who knows if Peter LaFleur would have gone back to the competition, and even if Steve The Pirate would have found his treasure?
For shame, Lance. For shame.