[Closed] Lady Gaga and BBC sexism

Did they even use a mould when they made her?

So ignore the fact she's a mould breaking artist

She is? Isn't she just Madonna v2? .....and I mean that in a good way. Not a fan, but can see the merits of a good pop song.

Did they even use a mould when they made her?

Not sure. Apparently she was born this way.

May be a "mould breaking artist" but her pop music is distinctly average. What could the BBC ask about that?

So ignore the fact she's a mould breaking artist and multiple million selling songwriter, no the most important thing? You'll never get a husband like that, love!!

Perhaps they should have asked her about how her marketing team managed to make her so successful despite making such dreadful music? Or why she feels the need to thrust her supposedly naked crotch in people's faces on music videos. I'm sure it's all about female empowerment eh.

You'll never get a husband like that, love

I agree, she is one of the ugliest munters I have ever seen, don't get it at all, groundbreaking, what with, her nose?

Yeah maybe so ask her about that! Not what are your chances of getting a husband!

I agree, she is one of the ugliest munters I have ever seen, don't get it at all, groundbreaking, what with, her nose?

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emsz, emsz - calm down dear. And don't worry your pretty little head about such matters 😉

Seriously though - I don't think the comparison with Debbie Harry stacks up. Her music was genuinely groundbreaking. And she fueled the masturbatory fantasies of an entire generation

Lady Gaga scores low on both counts there

Yeah maybe so ask her about that! Not what are your chances of getting a husband!

I dunno, maybe if you shamelessly court publicity through using sexual imagery, you can't be that surprised if people dont take you seriously?

She's ugly, can't sing, wouldn't touch her even if it meant no sex for a very long time. She sings? You call it singing? I'd say she'd get booted out of any karaoke place by the time she got to the chorus.
Shame they even invited her, should've shown Richmond Park views instead.

She's a pretty good singer actually.

She's really not. I saw a bit of a live performance and it was dreadful. I suspect she mimes most of the time though.

Its a fairly standard question for both sexes, if they had a man on the show with a bit of a wild reputation (such as Colin farrell), they would ask something similar about settling down and getting married etc, its your perception that she was treated differently because she is a women that is actually sexist.

Hairychested sounding like someone's dad there.

I'd actually like to know why, if she holds artists like David Bowie in such high regard, does she make such ordinary pop music, instead of genuinely being a ground breaking artiste.
So yes, there are more interesting subjects to get into for an interviewer.
She wears nice hats too.

Time for my son's favourite joke:

How do you make Lady Ga Ga cry?

😀
To answer your question - the fact she holds artists such as David Bowie in high regard doesn't mean she can sing. All it does mean is that she should know what decent music and what to aspire to. As things stand she's a munter who can't sing.

[i]I dunno, maybe if you shamelessly court publicity through using sexual imagery[/i]

The entire music industry is based on this, hadn't you noticed?

The point is the interviewer was measuring her worth based on the fact that she hadn't "got" a man!! It's the same old ****ing story.

@dezB.... poke her face?

There's a difference between "can't sing" and "i don't like her music". Gaga can certainly hold a note.

She can certainly hold a note

she's done nothing musically that stands out from the rest of the pop-machine, definitely nothing ground-breaking that i've heard, but willing to be proved wrong and admit so if someone can show me some of her music (i'm assuming she writes her own lyrics and all the instrumental parts? otherwise other people should be getting credit for being ground-breaking no?) that's ground-breaking.

agreed that a male artist would be asked the same question, sorry emsz!

Saw a bit of that over brekko. Yes the interview was hardly about her music, but there again she produces very average music - as in it's perfect pop, targeted at the teen market but still accessible to the radio 2 brigade. She'd never be as famous if she produced more 'interesting' music - eg. The Flaming Lips, a group who take on stage performance to a new level but produce something a little less mainstream.

The entire music industry is based on this, hadn't you noticed?

Nope, it's just the chart based pop industry that's all about producing glossy airbrushed crush-icons - I have no idea what a lot of artists I listen to look like, nor do I care.

Is it just me that thinks of the Emperor's new cloths when ever i see or hear her!!!!
Tbh i dont see whats so good about her! average (at best) pop music and bonkers dresses hardly ground breaking imho ????
But then I'm over 40 so what do i know lol

So ignore the fact she's a mould breaking artist and multiple million selling songwriter, no the most important thing? You'll never get a husband like that, love!!

Hmm, that's a cynical way of looking at it.

For many people finding a partner is an important part of life. So should questions on the subject be taboo? Admittedly it's a bit personal for a BBC breakfast interview.

If a man had been asked if he intimidated women, would you have thought the same thing?

*just raising issues, not justifying sexism here*

yes, terrible singer 😉 Miles ahead of anything else in the charts (not that that should be an indicator of talent though, I suppose)

Never seen the fascination with her, just run of the mill pop music to me with an out their image thats be done before by past generations. But I'm not exactly the age group her marketing team is aiming at.

I think the real problem is that she keeps dating paper gangstas and boys, boys, boys. If she learnt from her experience of bad romance and played by the rules of the love game there is a chance she'll find a future love. However it's wonderfully clear from her choice of fancy pants and fashion combined with the way she courts the paparazzi that she's suffering from overwhelming vanity.

Personally I think she's a monster and there's noway I'd poker face, not even in a retro physical sense, not once let alone again, again. Not even for money, honey.

KABOOM!

I think it's ironic that on a thread on sexism everyone's assuming that a) she [i]wants [/i]a man and b) she wants a [i]man.[/i] (I'm also not convinced it's sexism particularly; Would it be any different it was Lord Gaga being asked if he scares off women? Crap journalism, yes.)

Caught a chunk of her Big Weekend performance on telly the other day. My thoughts were on similar lines to Jamie's, "when I grow up, I want to be Madonna." Not that that's a bad thing per sé, though neither particularly did it for me either musically or fantasy-wise. Regardless, if she keeps going the way she is, she's going to be massive in a few years.

I don't think that was the point he was trying to make at all but then again, it would be true if he had meant that.
She's got no chance! She needs to buck her ideas up or she'll be right on the top shelf. She'll regret it in years to come when all her mates have a husband and she hasn't.

Nah, the irony is that a thread on sexism is itself sexist.

Is she wearing assos bib bibs there? 😆

I thought the interview was cringeworthy TBH. I expected a little bit more from the BBC.
I personally think GAGA is very clever in how she markets herself and can actually sing. But then again I'm 33 and don't belong on grumpy old men.

I think it's ironic that on a thread on sexism everyone's assuming that a) she wants a man and b) she wants a man

Are we?

Nah, the irony is that a thread on sexism is itself sexist.

Spot on 🙂

Give me Polly Jean any day.

"everyone's assuming"

Are we?

Sorry, rash generalisation, I'm not at my best Before Coffee. Please read "most people are assuming" here.

philconsequence - Member
@dezB.... poke her face?

Yes! (sorry for delay, work interrupted 🙂 )

I saw the R1BW performance & while I'm not a fan (although mrs_d is) I can say a couple of things

1) she can put on a good show
2) she can sing
3) she can write and perform good catchy pop songs

What more can you ask from a musician?

I personally think GAGA is very clever in how she markets herself

Whats so clever about it? Its just a corporate decision made by a record company to give a massive marketing budget for a project, the same was done for Madonna, brit spears and others. What amazes me is that the media laps it all up instead of just ignoring it, I guess its a cheaper option than journalism.

[i]I think the real problem is that she keeps dating paper gangstas and boys, boys, boys.[/i]

Read it in Heat, huh?

everyone's assuming that a) she wants a man and b) she wants a man.

MSP asking a "bad" boy is he going to settle down with a good woman is not the same. 'cause his "worth" isn't being measured by his chances of getting a wife ( it's implied that he'll have no trouble) asking a strong woman "do you worry about scaring men" implies if u carry on like this you'll end up single and old ( like Debbie Harry)

Criticise her music, her marketing whatever. but let's leave the sexism out of it!

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Gaga is amarketing excercise. Personally, in the "off the wall" stakes with actual talent I prefer...

PS: But yeah, stupid interview, really. I daresay she's managed to get someone to give her his "disease", to quote her own magnificent magnum opus...

+1 Woppitt

Really not sure how what was said could be construed as sexism. The observation was based on her personality, not on her sex.

[i]you'll end up single and old ( like Debbie Harry)[/i]

What a feminist statement! 😕

What has Bjork got to do with anything?!

MSP asking a "bad" boy is he going to settle down with a good woman is not the same. 'cause his "worth" isn't being measured by his chances of getting a wife

Not sure I agree there. Surely you are more likely to draw that conclusion if you start from a point of view that men are likely to think that about women in the first place? Which is in itself sexist?

If a person is a very strong character then they may be intimidating and off-putting to some others. Whether or not that person is male or female, or whether or not they are seeking a partner is not important, is it?

Unless you are making assumptions as to what the interviewer was really thinking.. which would be prejudice in itself...

Sounds like a fairly stupid question and a bit personal, but I don't think you can simply assume sexist motivations.

I thought she was a man?

I think Holy Moly scotched that rumour conclusively a couple of months ago.

What has Bjork got to do with anything?!

I've wondered that for years.

emsz - Member

MSP asking a "bad" boy is he going to settle down with a good woman is not the same. 'cause his "worth" isn't being measured by his chances of getting a wife ( it's implied that he'll have no trouble) asking a strong woman "do you worry about scaring men" implies if u carry on like this you'll end up single and old ( like Debbie Harry)

Criticise her music, her marketing whatever. but let's leave the sexism out of it!

They are exactly the same, asking either if they are going to change their ways in order to attract a member of the opposite sex and settle into a traditionally prescribed lifestyle.
You are just filtering it through you own sexist perceptions in order to find offence.

What has Bjork got to do with anything?!

Perhaps you didn't read:

Personally, in the "off the wall" stakes with actual talent I prefer...

She probably does frighten men off...mainly because she's wierd.

I don't know many men who would be happy to walk down the streen holding hands with someone dressed like some kind of dominatrix circus clown.

Er I don't think she dresses like that all the time...

Given the choice its Debbie Harry for me, even get the discount down at B and Q on Thursdays, cheap to take out too with the bus pass

Damn sight better looking at 65 than the Gaga person

Er I don't think she dresses like that all the time...

Probably not...but I don't think I would be with my wife if she dressed like that at all.

I would. I love a strong woman and I have an open mind 🙂

You do realise she's a) disguising herself and b) taking the p*ss, don't you?

+1 Woppit. Can I also add another talented [i]nutcase[/i] highly individual character?

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I don't know many men who would be happy to walk down the streen holding hands with someone dressed like some kind of dominatrix circus clown.

There's as many (and arguably more) "unconventional" blokes in this world as there are unconventional women.

I suspect that if you took a straw poll of blokes and asked "Lada Gaga - would you?", you'd get a higher result than you might think.

"Lada Gaga - would you?"

That depends what you're asking...date or one night stand?

I would. I love a strong woman and I have an open mind

If my wife ever starts dressing like Lady Gaga I'll point her in your direction 😉

Or maybe I'll just hide her wierd clothes and carry on as normal.

Gaga can certainly hold a note.

Tis amazing what Autotune can do these days.

I think she has a cool stage personality and a great wardrobe. I certainly wouldn't want my wife looking like that (I would never get her out of the bathroom, never mind down to Tesco to do the weekly shop), but I would love it if she was able to create such magnificent costumes and carry the look off like that.

What has Bjork got to do with anything?!

I'm in total agreement with Woppit on this.

I think there's a huge gulf between the art house persona of Gaga and the rather limp, camp pop that she produces. Bjork on the other hand managed to match her bohemian persona with some quite original and quirky sounds.

I guess that just comes down to personal musical preferences though - not actual ability?

I certainly wouldn't want my wife looking like that (I would never get her out of the bathroom, never mind down to Tesco to do the weekly shop),

Wearing a dress made out of meat to do the shopping in Tesco would certainly create some difficulties at the checkout.

I guess that just comes down to personal musical preferences though - not actual ability?

not really mf, i'm not saying that its good or bad( although my own preference my have flavoured my words ).

i'm trying to say that the image doesn't match the genre of musical output.

Bjork on the other hand managed to match her bohemian persona with some quite original and quirky sounds.

... which sound great on a really expensive HiFi that has cables pointed in the right direction and special silver psychic baffles suspended from the speaker tweeters...

i'm trying to say that the image doesn't match the genre of musical output.

i'm trying to say that the image doesn't match the genre of musical output.

What does music have to do with anything in the ... ummm ... pop music industry?

Wearing a dress made out of meat to do the shopping in Tesco would certainly create some difficulties at the checkout.

This is getting weird

You are saying she isn't dressed correctly to do pop music?

i'm trying to say that the image doesn't match the genre of musical output.

Easy enough.

Lad GaGaGa's music is pretty much just a regurgitation of 20-year-old Madonna material, just with access to a more "look at me being all controversial" attention-seeking dressing up box.

Easy enough.

No danger of a "Friday GaGa" then?

So what is the correct way of dressing to perform pop music?

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So what is the correct way of dressing to perform pop music?

In a way whereby the image that you portray is not incongruous with the sound that you output.

But I think I've already stated that about 5 times.

Bye.

My god, what a bunch of old men some of you are sounding. I don't particularly care much for her music, but I can see why it is popular and she has certainly carved a niche for herself which has been taken notice of.

So what if she has been influenced by Madonna? Madonna was equally influenced by other artists when she was at the beginning of her career. So what?

At the end of the day she is a young woman who has done remarkably well and is one of the biggest-selling artists around at the moment but some of you can only say she is over-rated rubbish. Well clearly not by her intended audience....