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a lab caught you when you had a 150 yard start, you need to learn to pedal!!

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Stomp on its head. Or it's owners. Accepting those as either impossible as you're on your bike or unreasonable overkill for the situation, a foot long piece of solid wood to give it a wack as it gets close?

Stomp on its head.

err... I have thought of that, but there I am 1/2 way up a steep climb, straddling the bike with it's nashers 6" away from my leg. I though about dismounting and then shoving the bike at it, but I did not want to cock my leg in it's face for obvious reasons.

Liking the fire extinguisher tho...

Dismounting would probably have worked.

Dogs hate CO2 extinguishers. Bit heavy though.

Doesn't really help you but I remember when I used to have a paper round there was one dog who's owner was happy for it to wander the street - I had to stop to deliver 1 paper (to their house) and then I used to frequently have to pedal for my life and then rapidly dismount and jump over the next persons wall to avoid being bitten by the bloody thing.

I love dogs, it really upsets/annoys me when owners let their dogs do things that like. One of ours is a bit nuts, and doesn't always come back straight away when called if he gets distracted but I know he's safe to be let of the lead because he doesn't aggression and always runs away from things instead 'cos he's a wimp.

Our other dog is normally fine but has bitten my dad once (it was his own fault for trying to steal his food!), but we're always a little bit more careful with him around people or other dogs when we're out just in case.

As far as repelling dogs when you're out on your bike - either pedal faster or dismount and hope for the best I think might be your best shot!

run at it, shouting aggressively, waving your arms and stamping your feet, it works, dogs are scared of people who don't appear intimidated, and the best bit is you don't get a kicking off the dog owner

Have had more trouble with dogs recently than usual, running rather than biking. Got bitten by a springer a couple of months ago, so now always run with one of those squeezy Jif lemons. I only have water in it, as a friend said the acetic acid could cause permanent eye damage, which is not really what I'm after, even though I feel like it at the time. I have had to use it once, and it worked well, dog completely backed away. Might be worth a go.

Up to now I've found that either a blast from a water bottle works or, more commonly nowadays a gobful of fluid from my Dakine bladder, but you have to really blast it out & make plenty of noise doing it!

Anna B - Member
Have had more trouble with dogs recently than usual, running rather than biking. Got bitten by a springer a couple of months ago, so now always run with one of those squeezy Jif lemons. I only have water in it, as a friend said the acetic acid could cause permanent eye damage, which is not really what I'm after, even though I feel like it at the time. I have had to use it once, and it worked well, dog completely backed away. Might be worth a go.

Lemon juice is citric acid.

Vinegar is acetic acid. 😉

Very surprised you were bitten by a springer though, quite worrying. Sure it wasn't just play fighting? They get VERY excited by people running and can nip but biting is very strange as it's not normally in their nature at all and would need to be triggered by bad treatment, pain or a serious need to protect an owner or pup.

A newspaper down on top of the muzzle will always sting - you could pretend it's an Olympic relay baton when running 😀

I love dogs but if one attacks it gets a very sharp blow to stun it. Try not to show fear (easier said than done) but keep things like fingers well away from it's mouth. Same goes with when you introduce yourself to a dog let them smell the back of your hand and keep your fingers well out of the way.

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Sure it wasn't just play fighting?

Oh now I feel like a right acid moron 😉

Don't really get the difference between a "nip" and a "bite" truth be told. Either way teeth are involved and not impressed. Shame it's the dog that gets (non acidic) revenge. Perhaps we should be carrying vinegar/lemon juice to use on the owner...?

last time I had a roaming farm dog run after me, I just barked very loudly at it. Scared the crap out of it and it scarpered.

have you reported it?

Dog owners are the biggest PITA ever

I've always had dogs when growing up. I haven't got one now as I'm living alone so it's just not practical

Whenever I was am out taking the dog for a walk, he would be on a lead or held by the collar if other people were walking, running or cycling past. I knew he was a good, non aggressive dog, but I know plenty of people just don't like dogs, so I wouldn't inflict him on anyone I didn't know.

I was on the Sett Valley trail a few weeks ago, just having a pootle. I was cycling towards 2 blokes with their respective kids in tow and 3 dogs that were just running around causing havoc. As I was approaching there was a guy running past them and coming towards me. The black Lab that was with the 2 blokes just starts chasing this runner and jumping up and biting his hands. It was obvious to me he was playing and thought it was great fun. The runner didn't look impressed but said nothing. The owners of the dog did and said absolutely nothing to stop the dog, which then started chasing me as I cycled past. Until I got off my bike and shouted at it. The owners still did nothing.

Complete arse hats

The owners still did nothing.

I got 'bite/nip' from a dog today, first one ever, got my unawares as i was just riding slowly along the road, car parked on the side and a dog comes bounding out in front of me. It had a go before the owner pulled it off but stupid guy let it go as i set off so the mutt went at me again, this time getting its jaw round my ankle. Thankfully had my sealskins on so no blood (obviously playing, trying to 'nip') but it bloody hurt, stupid mutt, stupid owner! He tried to apologise again saying 'he dosnt bite' er... yeah right. Should have took his registration really.

have you reported it?

No I have not. I would hate for the whole thing to get out of hand and the dog be put down. As miffed as I am, it is a family pet and having lost several over the years the trauma of having one put down because it bit me would be the last thing in the world I would want to do.

The dog was not playing, I know the difference.

It will not bite me again.

You must report it. It could be a childs face next time

dogs that bite should be put down - its totally unnaceptable

I did stop once all the grrrring had started, then it just lunged at me and had my hand.

according to the dog apologists on here thats the right thing to do - no dog will bite you if you do apaprantly so it must be a figment of yor imagination.

IMO a good hard boot will teach the dog not to bite cyclists. hard enough to really hurt it but not to do permanent damage.

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IMO a good hard boot will teach the dog not to bite cyclists

Or give the impression to the dog that cyclists represent a danger therefore making their aggression worse next time they see one...

It's interesting to read posts that suggest I give the mutt a good kicking.

Just how do you do that then? There I am, stuck half way up a climb, straddling the bike with both feet planted either side of the bike. Mutt 6 inches from my right calf, clearly wanting a chomp.

So how do you kick it? No seriously how would that actually work then?

Back kick? It would have had my foot for sure.

Swing my leg over the saddle and put the bike between it and me? No way, it would have had me bits.

On reflection, the only thing I could have done is take my pump off (under X-BAR) then back-lunge at it - would have probably pi**ed it off more and not worth the risk.

No, a quick blast with a fire extinguisher or a Jiff Lemon squeezer - that would have sorted it for sure.

The owner did eventually persuade it to go back down the track whereupon I shouted '..it bit me you know...' He shouts back '..OK' and walks off!

You'd really take a fire extinguisher out with you?!

Halt dog spray is what you need.

Its on the prescribed list of Trans America bike route riders. Dogs in Eastern Kentucky are notorious for attacking cyclists. Its a daily routine for them. We were chased by packs of dogs intent on blood.

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We met these girls west of Emminence, Missouri, They had been drying their laundry on their bob trailers when a pack of dogs caught them going up hill, they ran off with their tops!

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Won't somebody think of the children?!

On a serious note, I've never had a problem with a dog when riding or otherwise. Or car drivers on the road either. Not sure how you guys manage to attract such things.

Not sure how you guys manage to attract such things.

Good to see the usual groundhog day replies when it comes to dog attack threads.

I can understand the "get it put down" attitude. However I appreciate the OP saying he does not want that on his hands. As he is the offended party its his decision and ability to make an intelligent decision as to the circumstances.

As a dog owner I have one thats a little "odd" with young girls so I am hyper aware, my other is just stupid and scares himself if he barks. That said my dog thats "odd" nipped one of the kids in the street who was taking the p!55 out of her. The mother called the police and the police took an inelligent attitude ie saw my dog was well cared for, not a danger and let it alone. If only more people could do this rather than the "kill it" attitude.

Personally there are many dogs that are a danger and if mine was one first I had not as a responsible owner done my job properly and two would have it detroyed.

Lastly I see many cyclists when I am out walking the dogs and have ridden with my dogs. Although I deem them not to be a danger I always ensure they are under my control either leads or a collar grab when I am aware of cyclists.

The mother called the police and the police took an inelligent attitude ie saw my dog was well cared for, not a danger and let it alone. If only more people could do this rather than the "kill it" attitude.

I wasn't suggesting reporting it to have the dog destroyed

However, I think if its unpredictable enough to bite someone that had already gone past it and was moving away then it needs to be muzzled and kept on a lead

Jools I wasnt suggesting you were, I am all for dangerous dogs to be unfortunately destroyed. But a tempered approach is a must. Thats why I suggest that the OP initially has made that call, I hope he didnt inform the authotities as he felt the dog was not a danger rather than he didnt want to escalate. Its a fine line.

A dog that "attacks" somebody may not be a danger. It may be defending/protecting. Is it mouthing/nipping etc. The four named breeds on the dangerous dog act should not be singled out as some, though not many are kept by fantastic responsible owners. All dogs fall under the act and its owners that are responsible.

I witnessed a pit bull type dog attack a labrador last year and the owners didnt give a 5h!%. Now that was in an area with children. Should the dog be destroyed yes definitely. Is it the dogs fault, almost always no as far too many owners own dogs they have no undertsanding of, psychology, needs, breeding traits.

I will say its highly unusual for a labrador to bite someone, but all dogs can. Not suggesting it was the OPs fault but if it was my lab I would be concerned.

Double tap to the back of the head then phone the local Chinese restaurant to pick up the dog. Should do the trick if we keep it up. We will be dog free in a couple of years, plus lots of cheap sweet'n'sour, whats not to like!!!

Pingu - you think its acceptable your dog bit a child and you did not do anything about it - that is disgraceful.

Mouthing / nipping - get real - your dog bit a child - its never acceptable

Kid was taking the piss out of the dog, teasing it etc Not acceptable but it happened and yeah I tregret that some little scrote took the piss and got hurt dont need the grief. For the record I am a responsible dog, owner but if said kid is advised not to, asked to leave etc but insists.

If I was not aware of the full facts trust me my dog would have been put down. No matter how much I loved it as I do not want to be responsible for owning a dangerous dog. Which no matter how well a dog is raised they can turn nasty.

So in some respects I agree but as I said given the full facts no I dosagree.

Not acceptable - your dog bit a child. You should have made sure it did not happen. Your responsibility. You are not a responsible dog owner to allow your dog to bite a child.

I dont think you are in posession of the full facts therefore unable to comment so thanks for your time Jeremy, you stuck your colours to the mast stating

dogs that bite should be put down - its totally unnaceptable

However if you were in posession of all the facts as the police were when they were called by the mother no action was required. Rather than being alarmist take a more tempered view. What if a horse or cow bites some kid who is teasing it should that be destroyed.

 

From what you say you were there if you saw the kid tease the dog - why did you not remove the dog from the situation? Thats why I say you were irresponsible for allowing this to happen

I am sorry but yo show the classic dog owner attitude - that despite the dog biting a child the dog did no wrong and it was only a nip.

Its the only facts needed -your dog bit a child

I didnt say i was there and indeed i was not there. If I had been then correct the situation would not have arisen however sticking your fingers and sticks through a letter box and banging on a door with a dog inside is no way to go about things.

The child had been seen doing this on more than one occasion during the day and even advised by his own mother not to. For the record the child enetered our property which has signs that there are dogs there and was well aware of the dog as said child lives on the same street. The dogs were in the house but the "little chap" had spent most of the day teasing them at the windows etc.

Indeed a regretable incident but no not a classic dog owner.

Can I assume you do NOT own dogs in a similar vein that you assumed I was there when I was infact not.

Ok - accepted.

TandemJeremy - Member

Ok - accepted.

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Thanks Jeremy as I say sometimes and rarely regretable incidents occur, many are avoidable, unfortunately this wasn't I never queried why the youngster was able to do this away from his vigilant mother. I alos came straight home, over a four hour drive to assess the situation and deal with any aftermath depite my partner being equally competent to deal with it.

If my dog chased a cyclist or a jogger I would give further training to the dog, mine have never chased a cyclist, except me when I ride with them. Due to some minor behaviours of one of my dogs I am hyper vigilent and do not put my dog in those stress situaions. They have their moments but they are dogs and some owners forget that. As I have what can be considered a large breed I studied and have owned this particular breed for a long time. I have also studied animal pschology to better understand my animals.

Owning a dog is very often taken far too lighly and I do agree with alot of what you say. Out riding and when I used to run I have also been chased, fortunately never bitten. Its 99% owners who fail their animals rather than animals failing their owners.

On your property and uninvited child makes the difference

Appreciate that Jeremy hope we can still be freinds 🙂

Dogs scare me shitless when they are being agressive towards me. Got bitten when i was a child and have been chased by some right scarey almost feral dogs about my bit growing up. tbh I've never been comfortable with them since.

Worst thing is that people just laugh it off in a he's just playing he'll never touch a soul, and don't see anything wrong with it. Aye marvellous mate, hope you're as understanding when i give it a playful kick in the teeth next time..

don simon - Member
Not sure how you guys manage to attract such things.

I used to ride with a guy who would always, and I do mean always, attract attention from dogs. To make it worse he was scared of dogs, there were times where we'd have to ride in a group with him in the centre, protected by the rest of the group.

Again its owners, my dogs are not perfect but 90% of the time they let people simply walk by and pay no attention, it gets difficult, summer in the woods it gets crowded so they stay on the lead in busy areas. Occasionally they start to go to them to "have a sniff" but if I see them as sometimes the dogs are behind me I call them as I do not want them to harrass people. 905 of the time they come straight away. 99% on the second call. I certainly dont need to chase them all over the place to catch them.

Yea I agree if you feel threatened kick it in the nuts, better crack on the nose or simply stay still, hard when you are cacking it though,

Its like walkers v cyclists I read a lot of conflict here, dogs v walkers v cyclists is the same 90% get on great the odd few let everyone down and set poor examples.

Bare in mind I drive I cycle and I walk now I see the conflicts from every angle and try to understand them. My dog was nearly ran over by a lady cyclist on a footpath as she was going to fast. Its all about eductaion. See a dog slow down. Dog owners teach your dog good manners and yoursleves whilst your at it as dog owners dont have a right to let their dogs run wild.

AND PLEASE PICK UP YOUR SH!T and your dogs whilst your at it.

I don't actually mind, fair do's, dogs are dogs, sometimes they will get agressive, but the owner should be over immediately to control the dog.

The amount of times I've been really threatened by a dog, and you can tell when i'm literally terrified from them, and the owner barely even takes notice. it's unbelieveable..

I'm actually too nice after the fact, just my nature, maybe i should start getting aggressive with the dog owners..I agree it's absolutely their fault, but still that doesn't take away from the fact that if a dog ever goes too far, i'm not getting bitten again that's for sure..

Every right to defend yourself, I personally wouldn't hesitate if I felt threatened but if you can move away, many owners are idiots. Chavs with staffies and mastiffs are the worst in my experience. Trust me when I say this, the dog will invariably be more scared of you than you are of it.

Ok - accepted.

Frame it!!!

Trust me when I say this, the dog will invariably be more scared of you than you are of it.

IMO a good hard boot will teach the dog not to bite cyclists.

Unfortunately, it is more likely to teach the dog the opposite.

It could be that the last cyclist this dog encountered treated it badly (kicking, etc), and so now the dog is afraid of cyclists. Fear = aggression.

The way cyclists can help each other is to try to break this vicious cycle (sorry for the double-pun) by being extra-nice to every dog they meet; asking the owner if the dog is friendly, coasting by in a controlled manner, maybe even dismounting and playing with the dog before pedalling on.

On the other hand, I fully sympathise with folk who are bitten by out-of-control or fearful/aggressive dogs: it's always the owners' fault but all animals are unpredictable. You need to use a bit of trail sense and be prepared for dogs and learn how to be around them if you don't already. Because, despite what TJ says, dogs are allowed to walk bridleways off-lead. And dogs don't care much for the [i]letter[/i] of the law.

If any dog bit me it would be reported to the police. Whether it's put down or not is neither here nor there.

If any dog bit me it would be reported to the police.

Yes, that too. It could be a baby's face next time.

Yes, that too. It could be a baby's face next time.

TandemJeremy - Member
Ok - accepted.

Anyone else really worried, that the world is going to end today ........

As something is very very wrong when TJ is appearing to be reasonable and rational.

Beat the owners, not the dog.

In this case why? the owner was out and the kid was banging on his front door and windows and sticking his hands through the letterbox.

. Because, despite what TJ says, dogs are allowed to walk bridleways off-lead.

I have never said they shouldn't - the dog should be under control at all times and under close control around livestock. I have said this many times. its only if you cannot control your dog without it being on a lead that you must keep it on one

..The way cyclists can help each other is to try to break this vicious cycle (sorry for the double-pun) by being extra-nice to every dog they meet; asking the owner if the dog is friendly, coasting by in a controlled manner, maybe even dismounting and playing with the dog before pedalling on.............You need to use a bit of trail sense and be prepared for dogs and learn how to be around them if you don't already.

However this is rubbish. Once again the selfish dog owner is putting the onus on the non dog owner. you have a duty to keep your dog under control and to allow me to go about my business without any hassle.

This is exactly why I always ride with a hoover full of aniseed, once deployed it works as a very effective decoy giving me ample time to pedal to safety.

I would also advise NOT painting a childs face on your knees.

Once again the selfish dog owner

I'm not selfish.

However this is rubbish.

No it's not.

You will have more luck talking to a brick wall DK, TJ has TJ's Law on his side.

No it's not.

Only problem i've had with dogs when riding is accidentally stealing other people's. Turn round, I've got a dog, the dog's delighted as its had a good run, and obviously me riding is a heap more fun than their owner and their boring walking.

My dogs pretty good around people and riders, but i'm always very aware of whats going on cos at the end of the day, he's a dog, and not capable of seeing and understanding things in the way people are.

you have a duty to keep your dog under control and to allow me to go about my business without any hassle.

here we go again, care to show me the law that you describe?

the dog should be under control at all times and under close control around livestock

A dog, unless its a working farm dog, should never be off the lead near livestock, thats so irresponsible. A farmer would typically shoot the dog and ask questions later. Righly aswell.

Passing dogs on a trail you should slow so as not to startle the animal, that said owners should be aware of their surroundings and the dogs potential reactions. All dog owners should have training to understand and work with their dogs.

Regarding my comments earlier the parent was not out with the child as the "little scamp" runs around at all hours day and night in the street. Its a wonder he has not been knocked down. Yes I have thought "social services" but I realy do not want to get involved with that as I dont see it helping. The said parent even gave me grief for asking said littleun to "get off my land" on one occasion.

 

A dog, unless its a working farm dog, should never be off the lead near livestock

this I'm afraid is complete bollocks there is many an owner who thought this that has been trampled by cattle.

Dorset knob -

it is complete piffle I am afraid - why should I have to take steps to placate your badly trained dog. why do I have to "learn how to be around them if you don't already." A well trained dog is of no hassle to anyone else and it is completely wrong to say I should stop and pet it. No - you should keep it under control at all times as the law says.

And yes AA - I have extensively quoted the law on this before. You like many dog owners do not want to accept your legal duties. I suggest you look up the legal stuff I quoted before. Or the kennel club has guidence for you.

its really very clear and simply - you have a duty to keep your dog under control at all times. That means your dog is not a hassle to anyone else at all.

However it does not have to be on a lead around livestock - it has to be under close control.

A dog, unless its a working farm dog, never dream of having my dogs off lead near livestock, thats so irresponsible.

Well that's me buggered then as there are sheep in the field next to my house, and some of the lambs regularly come into my garden (jump the fence).

So according to TJ's law, should my dog be on the lead in my garden? As its near livestock (within a few feet at times)

And yes AA - I have extensively quoted the law on this before. You like many dog owners do not want to accept your legal duties.

Have you? I didn't think you have ever quoted actual law's just TJ's law and guidance information.

funnly enough had dog aggro on sat whilst out on a ride coming down hill which is always busy with walkers so going slowly see a dog walker ahead of me (at least 20metres) she hadn't seen me or my bro who was a little bit behind me called out a cheerie hello to make her awhere of me so she had pleanty of chance to call her dogs(3)back and get them under control oh no she did no more than look up and throw a stick for her dogs to chase in my direction managed to just avoid dogs nearly put myself in a ditch(at least 10mtrs deep) in the process then got really shirty when i had a go at her for not having her dogs under control so advised her next time i'd give the dog/dogs a good kick next time this does seam to be on the increase at the mo 🙄

So according to TJ's law, should my dog be on the lead in my garden? As its near livestock (within a few feet at times)

do you actually bother to read what I wrote?

TandemJeremy - Member

.... under close control around livestock.

TandemJeremy - Member

However it does not have to be on a lead around livestock - it has to be under close control.

Sorry I do not see the relationship between an owner being trampled by cattle and a dog on a lead. So an owner in a field of cattle should have his dog off a lead! Now that is BOLLOCKS!

Also you say many, do you have a statistic to support that? Is it hundreds, thousands or simply a rare occurence? Yes people have been trampled, not all with dogs.

http://www.****/news/article-2032954/Woman-dog-walker-61-surrounded-trampled-death-herd-cows-protecting-calves.html

Dog was barking, scared the cattle, dog should not have been barking owner should have seen the risk.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-22/world/uk.cows.trampling_1_cows-dogs-incidents?_s=PM:WORLD

Dogs not on the lead

http://www.nairaland.com/752184/61-yr-old-woman-trampled

Dog was barking.

3 in 3 years from a quick search all avoidable with common sense.

were you on a footpath at the time? as it could be a militant walker.

Also if you attack a dog, and get mauled don't expect any sympathy from the Police, and if you hurt it expect a very large bill for damaging someone else's property.

RichC

And yes I have extensively quoted both law and the guidence to it

You like too many dog owners simply do not want to accept you have a duty to keep your dog under control at all times. If its properly trained and can do this without being on a lead then that is fine. All I want is as is my right to go about my business unaffected by your dog. its not too much to ask is it?

TJ is, of course, 100% correct. Dog owners should protect the public from the dangerous actions of their dogs.

And yes AA - I have extensively quoted the law on this before. You like many dog owners do not want to accept your legal duties.

you have never quoted a law, you have quoted guidlines and you have no idea what I do or do not do in real life, so I'd appreciated it you didnt make assumptions about me.

pingu.. well its in the daily mail it must be true, I however spent half my life working on farms with cattle so I'll take my own opinion thanks. If a cow wants to chase my dog it isnt going to have me attached to it.

Jeremy hit the nail on the head, "a duty", too many people see dogs simply as pets rather than what they are or what they were bred for. Herding, hunting protection. Most if not all dogs have specific traits aligned to their breed and most owners are oblivious to theeir dogs needs. People owning huskies that want to be out all day locked up, collies that dont get the required stimulation, yeah they all look great at 6-8 weeks old and everyone loves them.

They forget that they can grow to 50, 60 70kg and hunt like they were bred to do. Its doing what nature intended in many cases and owner education is paramount.

Most dog owners are idiots, some cyclists are, I am sure we have all had our moments but lets not tar everyone with the same brush.

In RichC's case the owner was a moron, wether it was a footpath or not if RichC was wrong not controlling your dogs is stupidity.

you have quoted guidlines and you have no idea what I do or do not do in real life, so I'd appreciated it you didnt make assumptions about me.

AA - I have extensively quoted the law. You make it clear from your attitude to this question that yo are a dog owner that does not want to meet your legal responsibilities.

you are right about the cattle tho - again the guidance is that if yoau re with a dog and the cattle charge you let teh dog off the lead so it can runn off and draw the cattle away