[Closed] Kimi don't do it

How long before Alonso throws the toys out of the pram?

Lotus seem pretty confident he isn't going anywhere. I can't see him leaving after what Ferrari did to him last time. Shirly Ferrari will be better off with Hulkenberg as it will keep Alonso happier.

I knew it! Woot

[quote=I_Ache said]Lotus seem pretty confident he isn't going anywhere. I can't see him leaving after what Ferrari did to him last time.

What, giving him $25 million to leave 🙂

No chucking him off the team in favor of Alonso.

[quote=I_Ache said]No chucking him off the team in favor of Alonso.

and giving him $25 million payoff 🙂

How long before Alonso throws the toys out of the pram?

Interesting to see what Alonso makes of it, he's not exactly known for being a team player 🙂

Alonso to McLaren(/Honda)? (button still waiting for McLaren to sign)

or perhaps a big deal behind the scenes is Renaults buy out of Lotus, welcome back Flavio & Renault & Alonso.
anyone else notice Flav on TV in the Alonso garage at the weekend of the race.

No chucking him off the team in favor of Alonso.

As I understand it Kimi's head wasn't in F1, he admitted it repeatdly in the two seasons before. Won it and wanted a sabatical - Ferrari PAID him to stay on garden leave for a year/not to go to another team.

True?

Alonso needs a kick. The current line up isn't working IMO. He'll either leave (a real chance?) or whinge all season? (again)

[radio]Kimi... Fernando is quicker than you[/radio]

I'd love to hear Kimi's response to that!

[radio]Kimi... Fernando is quicker than you[/radio]

I'd love to hear Kimi's response to that!

Kimi: 'So, tell him to overtake or f***k off'....probably

Well it has been widely rumoured for a while.

Bad for Alonso,
Good for Raikonnen
Good for Ferrari

I'm sure if Alonso had a veto on driver selection he would have chosen Massa. So perhaps this shows he doesn't have as big an influence on the Ferrari team as people think

Hmmm do people not rate Alonso much?
I do, because I suspect Ferrari's pace is more around the Massa times, and therefore for Kimi to move looks a bit daft considering he usually finishes in front of him - but then he did say people may think his move will be "daft"

[radio]Kimi... Fernando is quicker than you[/radio]

I'd love to hear Kimi's response to that!

[i][b]'No'.[/b][/i]

On Alonso in general, I'd be inclined to call him the Teflon driver. Alot of controversy around him but he was never implicated/tarnished. At McLaren he obviously gleaned a performance advantage from the nicked data but kept quiet and turned grass when he couldn't get his way in the team.

It seems like he has a habit of turning people off- I imagine alot of the Ferrari staff aren't 'happy' with the comments etc around their hardwork.

How come other (previous) Ferrari drivers did so well?

suspect Ferrari's pace is more around the Massa times

But I see Kimi+Alonso team only lasting a year.

I like Kimi's style. I see it Kimi next season and beyond and Alonso moving out.

Only veto that matters is Di Montezelemo's...

I'd say over 1 lap Kimi is quicker than Alonso, but I think Alonso has slightly more race craft and can deliver results better than the car should allow.

Remember there's a big change in regs next year - new engines, increased (K)ERS, revised exhausts & reduced aero. 3 out of 4 of those are hitting key points of the RedBull's performance advantage this year so we may see a slight levelling of the field. Plus the new engines will probably have some reliability issues so having 2 drivers who could/should be running at the front of the field is more important than ever for the WCC.

Can't see anyone fighting for a McLaren seat until they go to Honda in 2015 - only having the Merc for one year will mean they're probably at the bottom of the pecking order when it comes to engines being dished out.

And as for Flav - he's been banhammered worse than TJ & Fred combined.

Was Kimi driving for Ferrari when he stopped racing to eat an ice cream? Kimi's great.

yep.

though it was more 'the race was stopped so he had an ice cream'.

di Montezummas revenge is an idiot and holding the team back IMO, Alonso really hacked him off by openly criticising the team.

I think Kimi is ace, if only for his excuse for missing the (first) Schumacher farewell bash.

There's something about Alonso that grates, hugely. As for Ferrari, they seem to be able to bend the rules in a way that McLaren cannot.

di Montezummas revenge is an idiot and holding the team back IMO,

Forget Grosjean. Kimi's points total this year is getting onto 3 times Grosjean and double his last year. I think Kimi's had a bit of bad luck (tyres etc) this season too. To be top 3 in a Lotus- with lower budgets I think Ferrari KNOW they are getting back A. A known commodity and B. a bloody good driver.

Kimi offers almost no feedback to the team on car setup which may be a problem for Ferrari development. Not sure how much Massa or Alonso give in this dept?

I think Kimi is ace, if only for his excuse for missing the (first) Schumacher farewell bash.

Aren't you thinking of his excuse for missing the Pele presentation? 😉

[url= http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=9087 ]I was doing a sh*t[/url]

You mean that?

It was a presentation to Schumacher before the Brazilian GP if I recall correctly.

What I want to know is what will Rob Smedley do all afternoon if he doesn't have to talk Massa round the circuit?

I think Kimi is ace, if only for his excuse for missing the (first) Schumacher farewell bash.

Aren't you thinking of his excuse for missing the Pele presentation?

It was the Schumi presentation. Pele forgot to wave the flag on the last lap.

We're all right 😉 Pele did the presentation to Shumi before the race - I just remembered Brundle saying 'you missed the presentation by Pele' and forgot who it was for... 😳

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The guy has a fantastic sense of Humour
😛

i agree with Mr Plow, i mean Alonso got in and lived and breathed ferrari, learning italian and pushing 110% out of that car, if he has to spur on engineers and workers saying that they need to improve so be it, he has earned the right with his outstanding drives and overtaking, just as he has the right to get criticism of he thrown the car down the gravel trap when in the lead....

lets face it, Kimi won his only WDC off the back of the far superior Schumacher/Brawn/Todt engineering masterpiece of the 2006 248-F1,
he does no PR, he doesnt care about the Fans, he goes home as soon as he can, stopping only for an ice cream.
Ferrari + kimi = mistake, and it will be a sliding slope downwards once more for the team - something started when Luca and Stefano Domenicali started to steer that ship more.

Kimi may have his detractors, but he signs his name as "James Hunt" whenever he's trying to go incognito, apparently. Personally, I'd rather see him anywhere but Ferrari, but he's PR gold.

Felipe Massa hasn't won a race since 2008...that's a sobering thought, is it not?

Kimi offers almost no feedback to the team on car setup

I was speaking to someone at Lotus and Kimi turns up, doesn't say much (is nice though) and leaves pretty much the same way. So that sounds about right, he'd be a great advert for silent night beds!

Maybe a neg on the car development front but in the days of media/advertising/endorsements/PR etc hes bloody great.

i seem to recall reading more things from the enginners he have worked with in the past, saying that he is really good at giving feedback.

No idea which version is true though, but there was always these things going around, like him not being motivated etc etc

How about Red Bull happy with a potentially weaker no 2 driver in Ricciardo as they know Vettel will be off at the end of this season. Alonso happy for Kimi to join Ferarri and he and Vettel are swapping seats!

Thing is, you can speculate as much as you like but things might look very different next year. All the changes being made mean that Red Bull or any other team could end up being way ahead of the others if they spot something or get something particularly right. Given that, who know where drivers will want to be off to next year. For all we know, Newey could retire - he's no spring chicken.

Well Massa has officially left now...

Sadly Massa has fallen out of favour with Ferrari/Luca Di Montezemolo, who is also a pi$$ed with Alonso as he keeps saying Ferrari aren’t giving him a winning car

Given the situation with drivers and Ferrari’s desire to beat RB; Kimi is about the only option if Ferrari wants to win races next year and Kimi doesn’t speak out of turn.

Assuming of course they have a fast enough car at season start.

PrinceJohn - Member
Well Massa has officially left now...

Yep

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From 2014 i will no longer be driving for Ferrari. I would like to thank the team for all the victories and incredible moments experienced together. Thank you also to my wife and all of my family, to my fans and all my Sponsors. From each one of you I have always received a great support! Right now I want to push as hard as possible with Ferrari for the remaining 7 races. For next year, I want to find a team that can give me a competitive car to win many more races and challenge for the Championship which remains my greatest objective! Thank you all. Felipe

I reckon they should sack off Alonso, and get The Hulk in to replace him. 🙂

I reckon Ferrari announcement tomorrow on new driver. Ferrari gave him face/a days grace out of courtesy.

2014 will be Alonso at Mclaren/Honda
Kimi/Hamo at Ferrari.

Trust me.

2014 will be Alonso at Mclaren/Honda

After spygate (costing McLaren the constructors + $100M) and trying to blackmail them? Seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened ...

Also isn't it mclaren merc in 2014 (honda 2015) ?

I doubt Alonso will be back at McLaren...any sniff of a decent team mate and that dummy is thrown around.

Yes, it's Merc at McLaren for 2014 - albeit in 1.6l turbo guise. Honda is for 2015. Twilight championship year for Button? Wouldn't bet against it.

I dont like Massa much, i thought he had a few good races but was flattered by a better car and then shown up by better drivers.
BUT
i think its awful that HE had to announce his departure, and Ferrari did not do it for him, thanking him for his years of service and when he had shone slightly in a race, being asked to move over, he should have got a better farwell from Ferrari than doing it himself.

Ferrari, what are you doing……

Well it looks like a done deal. Kimi is set to join Ferrari.

That means Ferrari will have two of the recognised top tier drivers in their team.

With the uncertainty over the new regs such a strong driver line up is a good move by Ferrari.

I still think Alonso will throw his toys out the pram at some point next season though

I dont like Massa much, i thought he had a few good races but was flattered by a better car and then shown up by better drivers.

On Massa- post spring/helmet interface. What if that didn't happen?

@oldBloke
The amount of mistakes and crashes he made in that season, and, as the McLaren team situation imploded and they split their effort into 2 drivers, both new to the team and the car, he still couldnt find any form in the latter half when it counted the most, and it was Kimi that more than often was ahead, after his season was plagued with mechanicals and issues - indeed Kimi had to let him past just to keep his title hopes alive....This was the season of his famous 7? 8? spins at British GP, and his inability to be overtaken or to overtake without crashing into Lewis.

Instead of bouncing back , he fell back and was never a contender again.

and his inability to be overtaken or to overtake without crashing into Lewis

Oh yes, I forgot about those two fridge magnets 😆

Ferrari have shown a lot of good faith towards Massa. His 2011 season was dismal and he was no great shakes the year after.

I'm sure Alonso will be sorry to see him go as he was undoubtedly an obedient number 2 but Ferrari had to get a better second driver

i think its awful that HE had to announce his departure, and Ferrari did not do it for him

Or to look at it another way, they gave him the opportunity to give the news out himself first, as he saw fit. I thought that was pretty good of them and really, despite being far from a Ferrari fan, you'd have to say that they've been very supportive of Massa, giving him time to recover from his accident and then sticking with him since when his results haven't been up to scratch for a top team.

What's with the 1.6Ltr engine thing??

Nissan Micra stylee ?? 😯

Yeah. If your Micra has 600+ BHP, turbo and other energy recovery 😉

http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2013/8/14875.html

Turbo containment is going to be a issue, think how fast it's going to be spinning and how far bits will go if it blows 😯

Will be interesting, Williams running a merc engine too next year, not sure the Renault engine will be that good next year 😉

Yep Williams on Merc next year. I really hope that helps them improve. It's sad to see them crawling around at the back.

Plenty of motorsport series (some with more powerful engines too) use turbos without issue. I can't see if being a particular problem for F1.

Aero is the issue for them (williams), and the mental south american.

They've lowered the max rev limit to 15000, so less of an issue now maybe.

On the theory that the Merc will be good next year (we'll see obviously but it's expected to be) and with engines becoming more of a determining factor, I'm hoping that it'll mask over some of Williams' aero issues...

600bhp out of a Micra engine... 😯

Doubt it to be honest, the Renault engine they've currently got is pretty good, the stabilty of the car is the issues I beleive

anyone heard if anyone is covering the new Formula E series?

Why the predictions of doom for the Renault turbo - they've got a pretty good track record of F1 turbos you know. Better than Merc's anyway.

600bhp out of a Micra engine

Pah, there was meant to be well over the 1000BHP mark in the old turbo days. I think that was from a 1500 cc 4 pot. BMW block basically that in yer 316 saloon!

Mind you I don't think the lifespan was too great.

The old BMW blocks actually had 100,000 road miles on them before being converted to F1 use 😯 They reckoned on all the stresses being worked out of the block by then

Turbo containment is going to be a issue, think how fast it's going to be spinning and how far bits will go if it blows

The most powerful F1 engine ever made was a BMW turbo back in 1986 and put out something in the region of 1,600bhp. For three laps anyway, for it was built specifically to get Gerhard Berger on pole position before it spat it's guts out. There are stories of cylinder heads having to be welded into place as there was no limit on boost pressure.

And yes, the block owed an awful lot to the common or garden 4 pot saloon car engine of the day. Imagine if manufacturers were obliged to use a production car block as the basis of an F1 engine?

...and Paul Di Resta is the bridesmaid once again!

I'm going to let my Mother know, she has a Micra... 😉

Pah, there was meant to be well over the 1000BHP mark in the old turbo days. I think that was from a 1500 cc 4 pot. BMW block basically that in yer 316 saloon!

Quite an interesting story behind the development of that IIRC. Seem to recall stories of the blocks being left behind the factory and the workers p*ssing on them. Probably not true, but funny all the same.

Back to Ferrari, I'm another person fully expecting to see some of Alonsos toys being thrown about next year. As for McLaren, I don't see Button going anywhere soon, he's too big an asset at the minute.

Shock horror, Kimi signs for Ferrari. And Lotus [url= https://twitter.com/Lotus_F1Team/status/377765191053606912/photo/1 ]tweet[/url] "So #Kimi is off to #Ferrari for 2014; it hurts a little bit… #F1 #Raikkonen " with this picture...

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What are they trying to say???

Is that Alonso to Kimi?

"Now relax Kimi this won't hurt a bit"

Or the other way round?

Or kimi to Lotus?

thepurist - Member

Shock horror, Kimi signs for Ferrari. And Lotus tweet "So #Kimi is off to #Ferrari for 2014; it hurts a little bit… #F1 #Raikkonen " with this picture...

What are they trying to say???

Don't know but if they'd paid their drivers/staff on time they might have more of a point.

Alonso confirmed for Ferrari as well BTW:

Maranello, 11 September 2013 – Scuderia Ferrari announces that it has reached an agreement with Kimi Raikkonen. The Finn will join Fernando Alonso in the driver line-up for the next two racing seasons. - See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/back-kimi#sthash.pfTxDUlg.dpuf

http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/back-kimi

Can't really see Lotus' problem.

Kimi wasn't under contract beyond this year. He has delivered them two victories and a load of podiums.

Still pretty funny though!

They really used THAT picture?

Sorry but when Lotus couldn't pay/delayed paying his wages mid-season and he asked for assurances etc- how could they promise him anything big for next year to make him stay?

disingenuous to say the least.

I assume it wasn't meant to be too serious though no doubt, people will take it that way. Lotus has tweeted various humourous things previously.

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Where from??

[url= http://www.shotdeadinthehead.com/kimi-vs-fernando-t-shirt.html?utm_source=SP_FB_SD_IP&utm_medium=LN&utm_content=IP&utm_campaign=Sniff_Petrol_Feature_Tee ]here[/url]

Fantastic. Can't wait for the new tshirts mid-season 8)

There's a brilliant piece on Planet F1 about 'Fernando the team player'

Basically speculating how Alonso will behave if Kimi is leading him in the championship and things don't seem to be going his way. He has a poor record of imploding and making things really unpleasant for himself.

Can't wait.

We've seen a glimpse of that already. He only partly redeemed himself by complimenting Hamilton FOUR years later.