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I posted a 10 second clip on social in the week of my sons football team scoring a goal. It was in a public place, the video wasn't focused on any one player... was a wide angle of the whole game. You could probably just make out a number on a shirt - but nothing that would personally identify anyone with any detail or even a name.
The opposing club complained saying that consent wasn't sought and got quite grumpy about it. I've immediately removed it as I don't want any friction and wasn't 100% that I have interpreted the FA Guidelines correctly (which seem to indicate that what I had posted was fine - and you need to seek consent if the video is for professional or promotional purpose)- it isn't.
Interestingly their club website shows the very same team and children playing other teams in a number of their own photos.
Can anyone enlighten me as to the actual rules and laws around this please? I appreciate you have to be uber careful with kids content, but tried to exercise common sense and judgement.
Dunno if the FA guidelines are the same but the RFU's safeguarding rules is that only approved and vetted people can take photos/video of the games/players.
point 2 suggests consent should have been given before posting in the public domain.
It’s important to remember the majority of
photographs and film taken are appropriate
and taken in good faith. If we take the
following measures we can help to ensure
the safety of children in football.
DO:
1. Share The FA’s guidance on taking
photos and filming with everyone who
becomes a club member (officials,
parents/carers);
2. Ensure the club has written parental
consent to use a player’s photo and/or
film footage in the public domain e.g. on
the club website, Facebook page or in
a newspaper article
I'm pretty sure what you did isn't illegal but if it goes against safeguarding rules then you can't really complain too much.
I’m a safeguarding office for our local cricket club. You should asking permission first for a number of reasons, one being some kids can under child protection orders. But also it’s just good manners.
point 2 suggests consent should have been given before posting in the public domain.
Yeah I think you're correct having re-read it this morning. That clarifies. Shame though. Was a good goal!
Data protection laws apply totally differently to organisations to individuals. Not an FA / Football club expert but have had formal certification in coaching kids and safeguarding and am up on DPA / GDPR to a point.
My assumption is clubs sign up to the FA rules rules on safeguarding and as an organisation they have legal obligations under DPA / GDPR (in addition to any FA rules).
I would assume too (as seen in other sports) that for a child to participate with that club the parent/guardian signs up to certain rules that align with the obligations on the club. Every one I have seen (my son's football - non-FA, his cricket, the hockey team I coached) has a policy of zero images to be taken of children by attendees that are not club officials.
The club officials then are obliged to ensure the appropriate parental consents for images to be taken in the first place (on behalf of the organisation).
In this case what are your son's club's rules you signed up to?
but tried to exercise common sense and judgement.
That was your first mistake. I'm slightly surprised that you're surprised that someone objected. I don't know any active football parent that would dream of even pointing a camera phone at their kid's football match.
Don't get me wrong, I think you did nothing wrong, but am surprised you hadn't cottoned on the the whole veil of secrecy thing yet.
Hey look - I just came on to ask what the actual rules and laws are. I’m not looking for justification to re-post, nor a lecture.
I think it was clear I made an error after post 4.
As above, it happens a lot so don't beat yourself up. The clubs should make it explicitly clear that consent is needed.
I'm also a welfare officer for a big (70+ teams) local club so it's something I'm familiar with. Great point about children that are looked after, without consent it's impossible to know whether publishing a photo or video will jeapordise the anonymity or reveal the location of a child that may have been removed from their parents...last thing we want is angry parents turning up because they think they have seen their kid playing football.
I don’t know any active football parent that would dream of even pointing a camera phone at their kid’s football match.
I've done it a few times (football and cricket). But not posted / published on social media. When I have done it it's evident I'm a parent and I don't try and hide it or act evasively.
It'd be a complete shame not to have photos of your kids doing things they love.
I’ve done it a few times (football and cricket). But not posted / published on social media. When I have done it it’s evident I’m a parent and I don’t try and hide it or act evasively.
You are putting the coaches in an awkward position, if someone sees you doing it and follows suit and then uploads it, then there could be hell to pay.
The vast majority of parents know the rules but when I coached rugby I had to ask the occasional Uncle or Grandparent to stop and to delete the footage.
The problem you have is that you don't know that they WON'T upload it to facebook etc.
I’m a safeguarding office for our local cricket club. You should asking permission first for a number of reasons, one being some kids can under child protection orders. But also it’s just good manners.
Yep. All of this. With family and friends dealing with both sides of the potential court order issue.
Presumably you've had the talk about this at school plays etc as well, where they tell you that you can film it but you can't share it?