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I am getting crushed by migraines. Absolutely crushed. And the merry-go-round of drugs that are supposed to prevent them is proving exhausting and frustrating in equal measure.
There is a ton of good, research evidence that a ketogenic diet can be hugely beneficial for migraine. I know from experience of experimenting with it that it is helpful. For my migraine, it does seem that carbs and sugar are the enemy.
I need to commit hard and go keto for at least six months - it's years since I have gone more than a few days between migraine attacks. My brain needs ketones to heal. And I need to catch a break.
So, who has tried keto? Who has sustained it? What did you eat? How did you make it work, while still being healthy (i.e. getting your veggies in)? I am wildly allergic to dairy, so can it be done without cheese? What resources or recipe books did you work from? Did you take any supplements? Any other migraine sufferers found success this way? What about travel and being away from home with work or for holidays? Eating out with friends?
years ago I started getting migraine auras. Scared the crap out of me at first until I googled it! But I always popped a couple of paracetamol and they cleared fairly quickly & never developed into headaches etc. But they started happening more frequently so after more googling that is when I started a low-simple-carb (but not keto) diet. (iDave diet from here, which shows how long ago it was!! 😉 )
Coincident or not but the auras disappeared and, although I only kept up the diet rigidly for 6 months, never came back. (lost loads of weight also!)
I did try keto briefly afterwards, couldn't be bothered to sustain it though. Eating veg is not a problem at all, just avoid the starchier ones (peas, sweetcorn & obviously potatoes). No, cheese is not an essential nutrient so perfectly doable without!!
Not Keto but followed Moseley's Low Carb, Hi Fat / Protein diet very successfully (the Fast 800 and BSD recipe books very really good).
I'll admit I lean quite heavily on the dairy (cheese / yoghurt) but it's doable without. Plenty of veggies and protein FTW.
I've been on Keto since May, although been a bit more relaxed during holidays over the past 4 weeks or so. Pretty good from a weight loss point of view, I lost 12 kg quite easily. Its just about routine and, once you are in that routine, its easy enough. I get though a fair bit of cheese and greek yoghurt though!
It can be testing if eating out. Lunch buffets at work meetings is also harsh. The big thing for me though is understanding where carbs are, how many there are and how low carb is generally good. So, even if I am not doing actual ketosis, I am still drastically reducing carbs. I feel much better for it.
I paid for the Keto Diet App. Good for tracking carbs, learning about the diet and getting good recipe suggestions. Its a bit like MyFitnessPal but for Keto.
I'll not stay on Keto once I get to my weight target, but I will definitely stay on a much lower carb diet.
For my migraine, it does seem that carbs and sugar are the enemy.
Just out of interest, does it have to be Keto or would it be enough to cut out carbs?
I think doing pure keto involves really having to plan (from what I remember you are limited to 1g of protein for each kg of body weight) whereas simply cutting out carbs is a lot easier.
No experience of Keto but you absolutely have my sympathy. Been battling horrible migraines for years. Thinks that have helped reduce them:
- elimination of chocolate. Even tiny amounts
- coming off caffeine. The withdrawal was awful, bit it seems to have had an effect.
- high dose magnesium and vit B2.
- Ajovy. I don't know if you've started the process of moving to a neurologist referral but stay with it. It's a long and arduous journey of knock backs and people not taking you seriously, but actually getting to a headache clinic was brilliant. My nurse is fantastic and really worried with me to find the best solution. If I were on the same position again I'd pay to go private through somewhere like the Migraine Trust.
Feel free to pm me if you want to chat about my expressive if that side of things.
Healing vibes my dude. It can be really, really shit.
It's pretty daunting to get into,, especially if your favourite food is bread... But once you're in, it's not bad.
How did you make it work, while still being healthy (i.e. getting your veggies in)?
This is probably worth touching on because keto is different things to different people. For me it's mainly unprocessed foods, so meat, and vegetables. Lots of diverse salads soaked in olive oil. I eat vegetables that I never knew existed until recently - they tend to make up most of my plate. If there are some you don't like, chop them up small. Lots of eggs. A little bit of yoghurt. Loads of nuts and seeds. A small amount of berries. Learn to make curries and stuff if you haven't already. Probably sounds grim if you're used to pizza and chicken nuggets but you develop a much greater appreciation for these things.
If you eat like this, you'll be fairly close to how people have eaten for thousands of years. It's exactly the stuff we've evolved to eat, so pretty healthy.
At first I was worried about transitioning in and out of ketosis if I took on too many carbs but I've not found it a problem whatsoever. I can have a cheat day and feel no different to the day before. There is definitely a transition in the first week or two though.
Might also be worth looking into intermittent fasting too, or even short water fasts.
Get real advice from a proper dietician. There is so much nonsense talked about this
Going into ketosis is dangerous and unhealthy . Fortunately few of these supposed keto diets will put you into ketosis as the contain carbs. Most veg contains carbs. All fruit does
Proper keto diets are used in managing epilepsy but need medical supervision and are very hard to do.
If you ate eating veg and fruit it is not a keto diet a proper keto diet you will need fibre and vitamin supplements.
Most folk who claim to be following a keto diet are actually low carb.
Get real advice from a registered dietician. Nutritionist is a meaningless label and is often used by charlatans
Keto for quite a while. Full carnivore for 6 months. Absolutely fantastic results. Mental acuity improved, loads of energy, arthritis greatly improved, fantastic sleep. Can’t fault it. 53 going on 23. Beef, eggs and salt is all the human body needs to thrive.
Lots of great info on YouTube. Dr Ken Berry, Dr Bart Kay, Dr Anthony Chaffee and Kent Carnivore are all good. It really works.
Beef eggs and salt only is seriously unhealthy and will put you in an early grave. No question at all. No fibre. Missing lots of vitamins. High in known carcinogens
Do not take advice off youtube
TJ with all due respect you don’t know what you’re talking about. Fibre is not required by the human body in any way. In fact it causes more problems than not. Beef and eggs have all the required nutrition to maximise health. Fact.
Fibre is not required by the human body in any way. In fact it causes more problems than not.
I think there's pretty strong evidence that a lack of fibre in your diet leads to an increased risk of bowel cancer, amongst other things. It seems it's also pretty important to establishing a healthy gut biome. Something that we are only recently beginning to realise the importance of.
Utter nonsense lambchop.1) diet high in red meat is proven to increase your risk of bowel cancer. 2) A diet low in fibre is proven to increase your risk of bowel cancer.3) where are you getting your vitamin C? D? ( plus loads of other vitamins missing from that diet) Want scurvey? That diet will give it to you
At least supplement it with a load of fibre and with vitamins.
Find me one article backing those folk you mention in a proper peer reviewed paper. . I mean something like nature or BMJ
to the OP - as IU know that a proper keto diet is proven to help reduce epilepsy then migraine being related it may be worth trying ( I have never heard of it being used for migraine but it seems plausible) but for heavens sake please get proper advice and supervision and supplement with fibre and vitamins
Fibre is not required by the human body in any way. In fact it causes more problems than not
Sorry lambchop, this is utter garbage. Fiber is one of the handful of foods that has been consistently found to reduce mortality. There is a lot of evidence in proper scientific journals if you are actually interested.
As just one example an analysis covering 3.5 million people showed “This comprehensive meta-analysis provides additional evidence supporting the protective association between fiber intake and all-cause and cause-specific mortality rates”.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38011755
YT is not normally the best place to go to for diet advice, but if you have a spare 4 hours I can recommend Dave MacLeod's video on the subject. Saying that, it's been a couple of years since I watched it which I did prior to experimenting with Keto.
Two things from my experiment. The first is that if you have a young family it's going to be a struggle. You need to prepare at least two meals every mealtime and your one is going to take the most planning, measuring, and general obsessive attention to detail (at least at first).
The second is that over the course of the month I struggled with feelings of dehydration, no matter how much water I drank. Much of the initial weight you lose on keto will be water weight and I think not having that extra water in your body can affect some people somehow. Possibly it's something I would have gotten used to.
Like I said though, full keto might not be necessary if it's just carbs that are the problem. I would recommend starting with something less restrictive.
Mikhaila Fuller (Peterson) reversed all sorts of ailments through eating a carnivore diet. As have countless amounts of people who have suffered inflammation in its many forms.
Fibre/fiber is totally unnecessary as are carbohydrates in a proper human diet. There is enough vitamin C in red meat for optimum health (if) you don’t eat carbs/sugar, fact.
Red meat does not cause cancer. Red meat is not carcinogenic.
We have been lied to for so long about what is the best diet. Sugar/carbs, seed oils and ultra processed foods are all insidiously deadly and slowly killing humanity. Look at the steady rise in obesity, cancer, Alzheimer’s etc. Big pharma and the multi national food corporations know this but don’t care because it’s all about the …… £$€££££
We have been lied to for so long about what is the best diet. Sugar/carbs, seed oils and ultra processed foods are all insidiously deadly and slowly killing humanity. Look at the steady rise in obesity, cancer, Alzheimer’s etc. Big pharma and the multi national food corporations know this but don’t care because it’s all about the …… £$€££££
Well you can't win an argument with a conspiracy theorist so thanks for posting that so that everyone is aware of your position
Just putting the word 'fact' at the end of a statement which contradicts everything that is understood about a subject by the world's medical and scientific establishment doesn't make it right. If your controversial claims debunking the scientific consensus are 'facts', you need to provide evidence. And as with Ernie, anyone using the phrase 'big pharma' is a massive red flag to me.
Welcome TJ, this thread has been expecting you 🙂
I think a cautionary note is entirely fair, but describing ketosis as unsafe is just wrong.
Anyways, there are loads of papers on Pubmed about the efficacy of keto for migraine. And given that I am chronic, have failed with a number of preventatives, is the "risk" to my health worse than a bruised brain and damaged liver from all the meds? I'm taking a rounded view...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38941791/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37892410/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37209426/
To everyone else, thank you. Some good food for thought in this thread - I think I really need to get the ketones to soothe my brain. High frequency episodic migraine has done a number on me, and the more I read, the more it seems there is mounting evidence of migraine being a form of insulin resistance in the brain - hence keto to get rid of the sugar for a bit to let myself recover.
Good luck with getting to the bottom of it OP, sounds grim. Low carb, low sugar has got to be worth a try, but maybe not the extremes of an exclusive beef, egg, salt diet!
Yeah, take away my spinach and brocoli are your peril! Love my greens 🙂
Beans and Greens are all you really need. Spice em up with other nuts, berries and fruit'n veg you"want". and eggs...
I tend to eat low carb and have done for a few years now.
It can be difficult when travelling but I don't travel as much as I used to, so that has simplified things.
As some have said, all veg contains carb but as a rule of thumb, if it grows above ground it has very little.
I tend to work on the 50g of carbs a day.
My diet can seem a bit dull, my go to meal is roast chicken and veg. Lots of broccoli, cauliflower, sprouts etc. depending what's in season.
Cutting out flour, bread, pasta etc made a massive difference. Old injuries stopped aching and it even stopped my terrible snoring.
Carbs were a way of feeding a lot of people very cheaply.
Menothim
Anyways, there are loads of papers on Pubmed about the efficacy of keto for migraine. And given that I am chronic, have failed with a number of preventatives, is the “risk” to my health worse than a bruised brain and damaged liver from all the meds? I’m taking a rounded view…
I said I didn't know if keto was good for migraine but it seemed plausible given I knew it worked for epilepsy and I would say that only you can decide if the risks are worth the benefits ( and keto does give risks) In your position I would certainly want to try I think but please please please get proper advice and supplement with fibre and vitamins. Risks of keto include increasing cancer risk, risks of mineral and vitamin deficiencies
Real keto is hard to do. Most folk claiming to be keto are actually low carb. When your body is in ketosis then you can smell the ketones in your urine
Most veg particularly roots contains a lot of carbs. ( doubt spinach and broccoli has much but I do not know)
There is enough vitamin C in red meat
Wrong. Just factually incorrect
Mikhaila Fuller is a grifter from a family of grifters
Most veg particularly roots contains a lot of carbs.
That's wrong. Some root veg has relatively a lot but even then it's not more 10% for turnips, carrots etc.
The trouble with any health/diet movement is that there are always 'influencers' who take it to extremes, and won't countenance anything closer to a balanced view.
Academic studies on diet can be misleading, as they are hard to control against other lifestyle factors and dishonest/inaccurate participant reporting of consumption, so while they are 'evidence', they shouldn't be considered gospel.
On a personal level, I've had short periods of pure ketosis, and longer periods of low carb, high green veg. I noticed large improvements in certain 'inflammatory' illnesses - mainly asthma, in my case - and weight loss, probably due to simple caloric deficit on a keto-like diet, aided by reduction in appetite/craving for shit food. But I don't personally think hardcore keto is something that is sustainable or necessarily healthy in the longer term.
As with anything, trying to avoid listening too much to zealots either for or against will probably give you a more balanced perspective. Keto is not going to immediately kill you to death, or solve all your wordly ills. It might be a useful short-term tool to control inflammation, it might not.
As far as the OP's issue goes, migraine is such a poorly-understood condition, and I can understand the desperation. A brief stint of keto might help reveal whether there are any inflammatory processes there, and help OP come up with a longer term diet which offers some of those benefits without being too one-dimensional.
Worth a go, I'd say.
Also, if you've not tried it, another drug-free experiment might be to look at whether there is a structural issue with muscle tightness around the neck, shoulder and face. I know people who have suffered 'migraine-like' symptoms connected to nerve impingement which were relieved significantly by physiotherapy and careful massage.
That’s wrong. Some root veg has relatively a lot but even then it’s not more 10% for turnips, carrots etc.
I would think that a lot in terms of attempting to put your body in ketosis but fair enough
I would think that a lot in terms of attempting to put your body in ketosis but fair enough
Yes. Trying to include root veg in a true keto diet would involve a) a very small amount and b) reducing the proportion of your vegetable carb 'allowance' that comes from healthier veg such as broccoli, cauliflower, etc. I always understood that carrots were out, and didn't even consider anything starchier.
Academic studies on diet can be misleading, as they are hard to control against other lifestyle factors and dishonest/inaccurate participant reporting of consumption, so while they are ‘evidence’, they shouldn’t be considered gospel.
the studies I saw on keto and epilepsy were pretty good - many of the participants were inpatients so control of diet was pretty good and they also did a lot of blood testing.
the studies I saw on keto and epilepsy were pretty good – many of the participants were inpatients so control of diet was pretty good and they also did a lot of blood testing.
I'm talking about wider population studies (you need big numbers to find smallish effects over long periods of time) which rely on accurate recording and self-reporting of all sorts of stuff. The red/processed meat and cancer studies evidence is becoming clearer, but even then I'm left wondering whether it is just the top strata of sausage-eaters who have meaningful increased risk of colorectal cancer, and what else those chaps are up to which might be adding to their risk, be it alcohol consumption, lack of exercise, weird working patterns and sleep deficit etc.
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Which brings to mind all this nonsense about vitamin D, eh?
You can get all the vitamin D that you need from lard. Fact.
Fair enough martin.
to look at whether there is a structural issue with muscle tightness around the neck
This. There is a school of thought that neck/shoulder tension is a root cause of migraine. There have been claims that just wearing a night guard to minimise jaw clenching/teeth grinding has cured some people's migraine.
Apparently tooth extractions have coincidentally cured some people's migraines.
The pharmaceutical approach to migraine can involve large doses of anti-inflammatories, which also carries significant potential harms for your digestive system. Anything that avoids migraine patients having to neck loads of powerful NSAIDs is a good thing.
I see the FDA has now approved Botox as a potentially therapy, which points to some kind of muscular involvement in some people.
The prevalence of migraine or 'migraine-like' symptoms appears to have increased significantly over recent decades. Would be totally unsurprised to find some link between the neck positions of screen workers and home phone/screen users and quite a few of these cases.
If I were the OP, I'd be feeling around my jawline, neck, shoulders and upper arms for muscles that are painful to the touch and seeing if I could gently work out some tension. My wife at one point found she could press a certain point on her arm and cause an instant shooting pain behind her eyes...
Some good follow-ups here: In terms of background I have had migraine for 46 years, and it has escalated significantly in the past 8 years. Massage, acupuncture, chiro, dentistry, optometry, ergonomics of workplace have all been tried or examined.
I recognise the biggest factor is my life is stressful (because reasons), and that ain't going to change any time soon. I work too much, and that likewise isn't going to change.
And I now feel toxic whenever I have to medicate - I can only imagine the state of my liver after a lifetime of meds.
Equally, continuing to suffer teens of attacks per month and needing to medicate through - I've had enough.
Agreed that hardcore keto is going to be tough and isn't for the long term. But hopefully six months to ease systemic and brain inflammation and a chance to have a rest - that would be wonderful. And cholesterol be damned - that's what statins are for.
My wife at one point found she could press a certain point on her arm and cause an instant shooting pain behind her eyes…
An acupuncturist might confirm that. It's probably on the spleen meridian or something similar.
My Chinese acupuncturist friend taught me to relieve toothache by pressing hard between my thumb and forefinger. I will sometimes complain about a pain or ache somewhere and she will press a completely different part of the body and ask if it is tender or sore. Invariably I am not aware that it is until she prods. It genuinely never ceases to amaze me how she knows how these things are connected.
Agreed that hardcore keto is going to be tough
I guess there are two ways of going about things. You can either cut things out (such as carbs) one by one until things improve. Or you can cut everything out (full keto) and then try adding things back in gradually to see what happens.
I guess going for fully keto would be best for you since it would tell you straight away whether it was worth continuing with? Then if it did work you could start by re-introducing proteins*. Then some unrefined carbs, etc. Or maybe just carbs when exercising.
Hope it all works out for you!
*Obviously you'll still be eating some protein but the actual amount of protein is far less than most people think when they are talking about keto.
And I now feel toxic whenever I have to medicate – I can only imagine the state of my liver after a lifetime of meds.
Is that not contradicted somewhat by:
And cholesterol be damned – that’s what statins are for.
Though I get that statins are a bit safer long term than NSAIDs
menothirm
given the details you have given then give it a try. Not a lot to lose but please get your info from reliable sources ( seems you have sussed that bit 🙂 )
An other thing possibly you haven't tried is to look at foodstuffs that can trigger migraine and eliminate them? IIRC chocolate and marmite have been implicated - but thats getting way beyond any real knowledge I have 🙂
Beef, eggs and salt is all the human body needs to thrive.
Totally disagree with this @lambchop. I'd add liver as well, then you're all set :D.
More broadly, I don't think taking a partisan stance on any particular dietary regime is particularly helpful.
Different diets work for different people, and there's probably more good than harm in trying various different things for a month or two and seeing how you feel - especially if you're trying to address a particular health concern.
I've various been full carnivore, hardcore paleo, and currently I'm eating a 'conventionally' healthy diet (which includes wheat and other carbs) - they've all suited me at different times when I've had different health and fitness goals, and different amounts of mental/time capacity to devote to this sort of stuff.
I don't disagree @tjagain. But there might be value for someone to try it for a month and see if it e.g. knocks a migraine problem on the head (pun intended) or reduces chronic inflammation.
You'll probably not get scurvy or bowel cancer quite that quickly 🙂
Also TBH I'm forever taking a variety of supplements so I'm hardly the exemplar on sticking to these things to the degree some Youtube guru is going to claim is necessary. I maintain it is interesting and potentially helpful to try different diet approaches though.
Acupuncture – now thats a weird one.
Yup, 14 different meridians where the chi travels through your body? What a load of bollocks!
I have had acupuncture for a multitude of different things over the last 25 years because despite believing that it is complete nonsense I also know that it can and does often work. And work quite spectacularly on occasions.
finbar – where are you getting your vitamin C from?
He already said. Liver.
Raw, I'm assuming 🙂
Do0es liver contain vit C? I didn't think it does
And work quite spectacularly on occasions.
The placebo effect is so strong, even when you tell patients that it's just placebo, people still report health improvement.
My brother is an uncontrolled epileptic, he tried Keto for a bit, two things happened, he lost a shit tonne of weight (he's not massive anyway) and it didn't really improve his condition, and he told me that if he had to continue with keto, he'd seriously consider ending it all.
The placebo effect is so strong, even when you tell patients that it’s just placebo, people still report health improvement.
Health improvement isn't quite the same as a cure, which is what I had in mind.
But yeah, I don't know of a better way to deliver the placebo effect, if that's what it is, than acupuncture.
Dr John E. Sarno pioneered the mind-body strategy to deal with severe and chronic pain, and quite successfully, but it is far more involved and protracted than a quick acupuncture session.
Good quality grass fed beef is nutrient dense and does contain vitamin C. Not a lot but it does contain it. Ruminant meat is by far the best food for humans. It has everything the body needs bar some extra salt.
Free range eggs, duck or chicken, again are nutritional bombs.
I get that processed ‘red’ meats, sausage, deli etc aren’t great. I’m not advocating these in any way.
One of the ‘tubers I follow, Kent Carnivore, had to have his colon removed. This was after a lifetime of eating a standard western diet. In fact when he first developed stomach issues he was advised to up fibre, green veg, brown rice etc. He had issues for a few years culminating in his colon being removed. Following his op he continued to eat this prescribed ‘healthy’ diet. He had all sorts of problems, skin flare ups, continued bloating and IBS. Also he suffered chronic depression.
After hearing about Mikhaila Peterson and others he gave carnivore a go. Within a few weeks his skin had cleared, his bloating had gone and after just 2 weeks his depression lifted.
Interestingly because of the bag he was ‘privy’ to what was in it. When eating the fibre, the fibre came out much as it went it. With meat what came out was liquid.
Human gastric juices are incredibly strong. They can break down and process a lot. But a lot of what we eat that is fibrous cannot be digested. It ends up in your colon acting like an abrasive on your insides. Meat however does not. It just turns to liquid, with all the nutrients being absorbed by the body.
Good quality grass fed beef is nutrient dense and does contain vitamin C. Not a lot but it does contain it.
Not enough for a healthy lifestyle. Not nearly enough. Your diet is also missing lots of essential nutrients and is extremely unhealthy
the evidence for fibre in your diet being good for you is unequivocal
stop listening to charletans - where is the proper peer reviewed papers I asked for?
Nickc - the data on epilepsy and keto is strong. Proper research over many years. Its just that it needs to be done under close medical supervision to ensure than the body actually is in ketosis - much harder than folk think
After hearing about Mikhaila Peterson and others he gave carnivore a go.
And who would not listen to a woman who dated Andrew Tate?
Andrew Tate is on the carnivore diet btw. Look how strong and manly and virile he is.
But a lot of what we eat that is fibrous cannot be digested. It ends up in your colon acting like an abrasive on your insides. Meat however does not. It just turns to liquid, with all the nutrients being absorbed by the body
Of all the things I might read on the internet today, this could be just about the wrongest
and married Jordan Petersons child 🙂
Meat however does not. It just turns to liquid
And right there is your evidence lambchop.......if you are pissing fizzy gravy out of your arse something isn't quite right.
You might be eating beef but you shouldn't be shitting like cattle.
I think the problem with youtubers whose channels specialise in 'a thing' is that their entire source of income is that thing.
There were definitely vegan influencers who continued promoting the health benefits of a vegan diet after they'd been forced to give it up because they literally would have died if they had continued with it.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/rawvana-vegan-youtube-influencers-quit-veganism/
It wouldn't surprise me if carnivore YT had many of the same stories.
While I'm sure both diets can work for some or even many people there is no such thing as a diet that works for everyone or even one that is optimal for everyone.
.if you are pissing fizzy gravy out of your arse something isn’t quite right.
the chap he was referring to had his colon removed so was shitting into a bag on his abdomen. the thing is your colon removes water from your gut contents turning what is liquid in your small intestine into a semi solid. If you have no colon you shit liquid into a bag no matter your diet.
No TJ lambchop's last paragraph wasn't referring to the unfortunate gentleman with the colon issue
Nickc – the data on epilepsy and keto is strong. Proper research over many years. Its just that it needs to be done under close medical supervision
Oh it was, my brother thought keto so unpleasant, he actually preferred the absences and occasional tonic-clonic and eat what he wanted. I understand the study on acupuncture beyond placebo, but when you either expect it'll work, or really want something to work...
Ruminant meat is by far the best food for humans.
Given humans are primates and have a digestive systems designed primarily for a diet of fruit and veg, This seems unlikely. Compare the gut length of humans with any carnivore (lions tigers wolves etc) to see for yourselves
TJ when Kent Carnivore ate fibre, greens, nuts, legumes, brown rice etc they entered the bag almost unchanged. Have you never had peanut shits after a Christmas snack binge? That stuff can rip your ring piece to shreds. Think of what it can do to your innards, even with a slick of gut juice? Carnivore poo may take a bit longer to emerge but there is never any ring sting.
We have been lied to for so long about what is the best diet.
And you are still doing it lambchop, together with your “alternative facts” from You Tubers.
Thats how insoluble fibre works particularlyif you dont chew your food. Our guts are adapted to that and fibre both soluble and insoluble are oriven to have protective effects wheras red meat is proven carcinogeni
Got those peer reviewed articles?
J-R, yes if you mean Carnivore. 6 months strict Carnivore. Before that Keto. Feel fantastic. Lots of positives; arthritic hands which were so sore most days are pretty much pain free. No hay fever this year. I’ve had bad hay fever every summer for most of my life, none this summer. Mental acuity. Just feel so switched on all the time, but when I hit the sack I sleep like a log. No wind or stomach aches at all. Used to get indigestion and hiccups quite often. Burping and farting much reduced. Farts don’t stink either any more. One shit a day or every two days. One wipe and done. Honestly there are no negatives I can tell. Shopping is dead easy too.
I had a friend with uncontrolled epilepsy on keto for a while.
It did really help with his epilepsy and he quickly lost a lot of weight that he also needed to lose, but he just couldn't hack the diet. He was also supplied with bottles of a liquid fat thing he had to drink so much of through the day as it's was as much a very high fat diet as it was very low/zero carb diet,the protein was almost incidental.
Have you never had peanut shits after a Christmas snack binge? That stuff can rip your ring piece to shreds.
No I can't say that I have.
How many peanuts were you eating that they were ripping your ring piece to shreds? And why were you eating so many?
I think we've discussed the neck pain thing before on here Ernie. There's a fair bit of evidence suggesting it's part of the prodrome phase - the initial stage of the attack, but because of this people notice an increase in stiffness and pain prior to the event, and see it as a cause, rather than effect.
see the FDA has now approved Botox as a potentially therapy, which points to some kind of muscular involvement in some people.
As far as I'm aware that not how botox works for migraines. My very vague non scientific understanding is that it works on the nervous system to 'dampen down' the pain signals by affecting the neurotransmitters.
The 35 injections i had were all over my head, only a select few in the neck. Mostly into sites along the nerve that runs along my temples, and some in the forehead.
It worked very well for me, and the only reason I moved to another treatment was that there was insufficient staffing to be able to offer it to me on the necessary 3 month cycle.
OP: have you managed to get a neurologist appointment? I know exactly how you feel, I had periods of total despair, but I'm in a much better place now I've found something that works for me and I can manage myself. I'm down from 15-20 fill blown migraine days to less than 5 some months.
Don't give up!
I did keto during lockdown. I lost nearly 40kg and my cholesterol dropped, not that it was high in the first place.
Yes, it’s difficult, but I found the strict dietary restrictions actually helped me to stick to it.
I kept the weight off for about a year after stopping keto but after my father died I was severely depressed and took to comfort eating so the weight is back and I have really struggled to restart keto, despite knowing it’s the only diet that has ever worked for me.
I am vegan, and a lifelong migraineur. So I am not gonna comment on the keto stuff, but I have something that has helped me.
This will sound weird, but actually works for me and helps a lot with decreasing migraine occurrence and pain severity when it does hit me.
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/green-light-migraine-relief
Green Light for Migraine Relief
Exposure to a narrow band of green light may reduce light sensitivity and headache severity
https://time.com/6225133/green-light-headaches-pain-relief/
“You would think it would be the peak of the green wavelength—absolute green—that would be most effective,” she says. “But what we found for chronic pain was that it’s the lower wavelengths and the higher wavelengths—more towards the ends of the green spectrum—that seem to be helping patients.” That limits people’s options to try this therapy out for themselves, since simply buying any green glasses available in a store does not guarantee the proper wavelength, which can only be tested with a spectrophotometer.
I bought a stage light that produces green light, and I have it as the only light in the evenings. Also if I get an attack, I will darken the room and put on just the green light. It helps me noticeably - but not all people. And its hard to know the exact wavelength of the LEDs - but it seems that the generic stage light I got still works for me.
I also use cannabidiol (100-300 mg) combined with a gram of paracetamol for acute attacks, this combination works much better than other painkillers.
Reducing stress, doing calm, non-strenuous walks in fresh air and getting enough sleep all help. When I am stressed, busy and sleep poorly, I get much worse migraines. Also take care to get enough electrolytes especially when exercising, and get some magnesium supplements.
Massage, acupuncture, chiro, dentistry, optometry, ergonomics of workplace have all been tried or examined.
Physio? Neurology?
I recognise the biggest factor is my life is stressful (because reasons), and that ain’t going to change any time soon. I work too much, and that likewise isn’t going to change.
Why not? If the root cause is stress and overwork, some random diet isn't going to change anything. If you're "absolutely crushed" that makes no sense to me. Take a holiday.
Acupuncture – now thats a weird one.
Agreed (in fact I've agreed with everything TJ has posted here). I'm the biggest of cynics, but I'm acupuncture-curious.
Ruminant meat is by far the best food for humans.
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Given humans are primates and have a digestive systems designed primarily for a diet of fruit and veg, This seems unlikely.
Humans are pretty much nature's apex omnivore, possibly second only to goats. We can generally survive and often thrive on any old shit. Arguments about what we're "designed" to eat are (pardon the pun) mince. We've evolved to eat pretty much anything which isn't toxic.