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Through work, as a second workstation. It was going spare so I thought I'd see what the fuss was about.
It's pissed me off immediately. Wtf is up with the keyboard? Why do they hve the @ and " switched around even on a UK keyboard? And \ is in the wrong place. Why do this except to be bloody-minded?
Just accquired a Mac
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careful now you will be telling us all the 2nd button is so useless
Mac, not mac.
I'm going to watch this thread with rose tinted shades on, because you dear fellow will be furious.
Mac, not mac.
Apologies. My mistake. 😉
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If it's an older model wait till you try and find the hashtag key
Which model and what platform is it running ? We've got fair bit of Mac stuff from a broken powerMac G5 .
What the hashtag key?
Which model and what platform is it running ?
I don't even know how to find out.
EDIT it appears to be a 15" i7 from 2015
Click on the Apple Symbol in the top left hand corner of the screen and then on “About this Mac”
Rachel
And if you want to do a screenshot you have to do 3 years with the masons before they even think of telling you the sequence of buttons you need to press.
GIVE ME A RIGHT CLICK OPTION YOU BEARDY NON SOCK WEARING ****ERS.
Click on the apple in the corner & then about this mac.
Beaten to it.
Anyway, if you want a second (or third) button, i recommend Magic Prefs.
Mac Symbol->About this Mac->Overview ->System Report.
You've just taken your first steps into a much larger world....
And if you want to do a screenshot you have to do 3 years with the masons before they even think of telling you the sequence of buttons you need to press.
Command+shift+4. for a selectable screen area copy
You're welcome.
You've just taken your first steps into a much larger world
That's silly.. the Apple world is deliberarely much smaller - that's one of their selling points.
There is no excuse for having the keys mixed up though. That's just wrong.
Try working on a windows VM through a Mac keyboard.
Took me about a month to work out how to unlock it as ctrl alt delete doesn't exist.
Command+shift+4. for a selectable screen area copy
That's all very well but which one is the shift button?
That's silly.. the Apple world is deliberarely much smaller - that's one of their selling points.
Far from it - it is *much* easier to work with a far greater variety of (especially open source) software on Mac than it is on Windows. Being Unix has many, many advantages...
Rachel
That's all very well but which one is the shift button?
It's the one next to the Any key
If it's an older model wait till you try and find the hashtag key
🙂
I normally take about three screen shots trying to find #
Being Unix has many, many advantages...
Tut tut, it's a BSD variant...
The keys aren't mixed up, they're just in a different place to Windows. The thought of you trolling yourself while you try to become accustomed gives me a little grin. Time to realise just how entrenched you are...
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Far from it - it is *much* easier to work with a far greater variety of (especially open source) software on Mac than it is on Windows. Being Unix has many, many advantages...
I wasn't necessarily comparing it to Windows, and I was also not necessarily talking about open source.
If it's an older model wait till you try and find the hashtag key
any if it's a newer one, good luck trying to do a £ 😆
The keys aren't mixed up, they're just in a different place to Windows.
That's the definition of mixed up. Why be different just for the sake of it? With tens or hundreds of millions of UK keyboards in the UK, what bright spark thought "I know, let's make our keyboards with characters in different places to everyone else" ?
It's a UK spec keyboard because it has a £ on it. So they've gone to the trouble of making it different to the US one. But rather than make the two other changes that UK keyboards have, they just did the one. WHY?
any if it's a newer one, good luck trying to do a £
I just write GBP next to the numbers, it's quicker than trying to find the right key combination!
Considering you recently started a thread where you went into raptures about some gimmicky oversized Microsoft tablet thing, all of which will now be gathering dust in the corner of a warehouse, I think we can legitimately ignore your opinions about pooters Molls. Especially decent ones.
Tell you what, Molgrips, send it to me and I’ll send you back a laptop with a “proper keyboard”
Rachel
Why do you assume that the version you are used to is right? You adapt very quickly, and then when you go back to a "windows" keyboard say "why the heck is the @ symbol not on the 2?" The # may however have been a cock up because americans call # a pound...There is no excuse for having the keys mixed up though. That's just wrong.
Why do you assume that the version you are used to is right? You adapt very quickly, and then when you go back to a "windows" keyboard say "why the heck is the @ symbol not on the 2?" The # may however have been a cock up because americans call # a pound...There is no excuse for having the keys mixed up though. That's just wrong.
Why do you assume that the version you are used to is right? You adapt very quickly, and then when you go back to a "windows" keyboard say "why the heck is the @ symbol not on the 2?" The # may however have been a cock up because americans call # a pound...There is no excuse for having the keys mixed up though. That's just wrong.
Why do you assume that the version you are used to is right? You adapt very quickly, and then when you go back to a "windows" keyboard say "why the heck is the @ symbol not on the 2?" The # may however have been a cock up because americans call # a pound...There is no excuse for having the keys mixed up though. That's just wrong.
I assume it was a Mac keyboard causing all those posts...
molgrips- just download "Karabiner" and remap the keys to your satisfaction.
Why do you assume that the version you are used to is right? You adapt very quickly, and then when you go back to a "windows" keyboard say "why the heck is the @ symbol not on the 2?"
Weight of numbers. And I will always be switching between the two which is what the problem is. They've made a problem for us to deal with for no reason. It would cost zero effort to bring the two platforms into line.
I assume it was a Mac keyboard causing all those posts...
Not sure what your point is here but no, it wasn't.
Being Unix has many, many advantages...
Rachel
And yet for all those advantages, sales of Macs didn't really begin to compete with PCs until they started using PC hardware and it was possible to dual boot with Windows.
Almost everyone I know who does technical/development work on a Mac has either a dual or triple boot option to allow for Windows and/or Linux.
#PrayForMol found sort by date yet 😉
I assume it's much faster now you have fitted an SSD and 3x the RAM
I just wish that the ipad people were given the job of making the mac.
You can figure most things out on an ipad.
A mac? No chance.
Draw some pictures with it Molls. They're great for that
I just wish that the ipad people were given the job of making the mac.
You can figure most things out on an ipad.
A mac? No chance.
What is it you're trying to figure out?
One of the great things about Macs a few years ago was that I could set my dad up with one, and be really confident that he wouldn't accidentally break it (like he did with his previous Windows laptop). It gave him confidence to use his computer without feeling like he was tiptoeing on eggshells around it.
I like using them at home because free time is obviously at a premium, so if I'm editing photos or whatever it lets me get on with that, without any operating system faff around the edges.
I haven't used a version of Windows really in anger since Windows 7 though (MacOS at home, Linux at work), so I'm sure it's much improved since then.
I can't draw.
zippykona - Member
I just wish that the ipad people were given the job of making the mac.
You can figure most things out on an ipad.
A mac? No chance.
That's right, Macs are well known for being difficult to use.
without any operating system faff around the edges
Like what?
molgrips - Member
without any operating system faff around the edges
Like what?
Windows keeps trying to tickle my balls when using photoshop/lightroom on a PC, thought it was a standard feature until now
How many processes are required on a mac to download a picture from the Web and upload it to photobucket ?
My phone needs just 2.
I can't draw.
That's because you've never used a Mac before 😉
Like what?
Well again this was quite a few years ago (early 2000s) but I have pretty clear memories of Windows XP machines of the time blue screening or failing to detect hardware of various descriptions. Wifi was pretty challenging as I recall.
As I say I've not really used Windows for well over a decade now, but at the time there was a clear difference. Even using OS X (Panther I think it was) for the first time, things like Expose and built in PDF viewing (and saving!) blew my mind.
bag of salt to the thread....
try windows 10, most browsers have pdf viewing....
£PrayForMol
As I say I've not really used Windows for well over a decade now,
This is the big problem with Mac users is that their Windows opinions are ten years out of date. W10 is unrecognisable compared to XP.
This is only a slight irritation on the road to computing paradise. Soon you will be wondering why anyone owns a Windows computer, and why Microsoft messed up the already perfect Mac keyboard in the first place.
I just typed the above message on my Mac. It felt really good on my lush keyboard. And I even managed it without a super helpful Windows-esque notification popping up to say 'You are typing a message'.
You still comparing to XP?
This is the big problem with Mac users is that their Windows opinions are ten years out of date.
Ever stopped to think why we've all spent more than a decade doing everything in our power to avoid them?
"But...but... its not as shit as it used to be" isn't really a massive selling point, if I'm honest Molls
try windows 10, most browsers have pdf viewing....
I would but now I'm locked in!
And besides, opening a file in your web browser of choice is still harder than just pressing spacebar in your file browser.
My point is not so much that Windows is bad (because I have no idea these days) but rather than Macs are actually quite good, and tends to reduce friction.
I can't imagine my parents having a solid backup procedure in place without Time Machine for example. And if I lose my phone I can restore a new one (once I've sold my soul to buy it that is) from the backup in the cloud.
Why are you wasting your time?
And besides, opening a file in your web browser of choice is still harder than just pressing spacebar in your file browser.
eh?
PDF's just open, if it's a web link they just open
I can't imagine my parents having a solid backup procedure in place without Time Machine for example. And if I lose my phone I can restore a new one (once I've sold my soul to buy it that is) from the backup in the cloud.
Really windows backup is easy, use google drive, simple, android phones have done that for years. So blind you can't see?
Learning how to Mac brings you into the cult.
#BeMac
Just try using a French keyboard !
The whole thing will take a bit of getting used to
Learning how to Mac brings you [s]into the cult.[/s] out of the darkness and into the light
🙂
Why not take it to Costa and sit with a caramel latte, writing your blog. Maybe wearing a black roll-neck and some rimless glasses. You'll soon see the appeal
Oh... don't forget you're shitty stick. You'll be needing it
I use both. it's not rocket science.
The fact Molgrips works in IT never fails to tickle me.
It's quite funny how much Windows machines strive to look like all those lovely Macs now. But they are never quite as nice are they. Come on, admit it.
Look on the bright side you can install Windows 10 on it 🙂 Thats what I did on my Macbook Air. It works fine now.
Maybe wearing a black roll-neck and some rimless glasses.
I own rimless glasses. But my latest ones are thick black framed. Much more on-trend.
"But...but... its not as shit as it used to be" isn't really a massive selling point, if I'm honest Molls
That's hardly what I said. Let me spell it out:
"Windows 10 is as good as MacOS"
Really windows backup is easy, use google drive, simple, android phones have done that for years. So blind you can't see?
Time Machine made it really easy for people to backup properly well before Windows did. And yes, Android phones that you get software updates for for 2 years (that arrive 6 months late) if you're lucky and buy the right one.
All this said and done, I'm not a huge fan of Apple's current desperate desire to make everything really thin at the expense of things like USB ports. The magnetic power adaptor has honestly saved my laptop from death at the hands of the power cable more times than I can think of.
I'll admit Apple have had some good innovations. Agree about the magnetic connector. And Windows backup isn't particularly great IMO.
TeeeHeee.
I'm loving the angst.
Most 12 yr olds switch from Mac to Windoz without blinking and a huff.
MAWCBs and IT, gotta love the inner suppressed frustration.
MAWCB
Middle aged ****er coder boys?
footflaps - Member
I can't draw.
That's because you've never used a Mac before
Genius, well done!
Will Mol be going to ComicCon soon ??
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misplaced snobbery and a fashion choice, essentially..binners - Member
Ever stopped to think why we've all spent more than a decade doing everything in our power to avoid them?
Well... either that or the fact that every time I tried to do anything with a large multi-layered photoshop file it froze up, then keeled over sideways, had to be restarted, then repeated the same process ad nauseum
I forget which
I hear they're great for other stuff though....
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Ever stopped to think why we've all spent more than a decade doing everything in our power to avoid them?
Because you need to keep your blinkers on, so you don't waver in your devotion to The Great Company.
If you actually looked at a Windows 10 machine you might have a crisis of faith. Then where would you be? What would you do in your coffee shop over your latte? How would you look your architect mates in their rimlessly glazed eyes?
Well... either that or the fact that every time I tried to do anything with a large multi-layered photoshop file it froze up, then keeled over sideways, had to be restarted, then repeated the same process ad nauseum
... ten years ago ....
Would you buy another Passat? 😆
I could go on about how shit Macs were 20 years ago, but it'd not really be relevant would it?
Would you buy another Passat?
Don't you also own a VW?