Jura Bean to Cup coffee

Moved from a delonghi magnifica s plus which made ok coffee.....

Became a pain after 3 years and their service department did fix it temporarily. 6 months later same issue.

I fixed it for another 6 months then one day it just ground all the beans in the hopper till it overflowed everywhere...

Bought an e8..... Night and day. Coffee is far superior. Only issue i have is say - having to run cleaning cycles if you make a milky drink very irregularly.

I've had a Jura F8 for several years, can't fault it really. It's very bossy, tells you when to clean it etc! Had no mechanical problems at all (I've probably just jinxed it saying that!). The uk concessionaires have always been helpful, both on the phone and with supplying consumables.

I previously had a Saeco Vienna Superautomatica, which was the most basic bean-to-cup machine available at the time; that was over 20 years ago and it's still going strong, and makes lovely coffee. I have it in our house in France. Compared to the Jura it's very simple; tha Jura allows you to programme all sorts of things, half of which I haven't tried, but it's good to be able to adjust all the parameters. The automatic milk frothing thingy is good if you're making quite a few cappuccini, for example.

In between I had a DeLonghi magnifica, which was ok, but broke down several times, expensive to repair, finally died. To be fair we were living in the hardest water area in France at the time.

I’ve a jura impressa j9 one touch for ~8 years now, always used the water filters, only one fault, a thermo sensor which i replaced myself.

Only downside is I found the automatic milk steamer didn’t get the milk hot enough for me. Got a induction milk jug & all good.

Would replace it with another jura if it failed but perhaps coffee only

I have nothing but praise for our Melitta bean to cup after being recommended them here. No idea how they compare in price to Jura but mine was about £700, though there were cheaper models.

My DeLonghi (non bean-to-cup) was a leaky, wooden worktop destroying nightmare.

EDIT; This is mine; https://www.hartsofstur.com/melitta-barista-ts-smart-f860-100-stainless-steel-bean-to-cup-coffee-machine-6764554.html
You can save ~£100 off that if your wife does not demand the silver milk flask :facepalm:

I've had a deLonghi magnifica s for a year now and it's been trouble free, the coffee isn't amazing though, just good, and I can't speak for longevity but I do use bottled water in it rather than hard tap water which may extend its lifespan.

" I do use bottled water in it rather than hard tap water which may extend its lifespan."

None of my failures were due to waterhardness.

just brittle plastics being overloaded due to design/age.

Basically the arm that pings out to trigger the puck ejection from the group head would snap off rather than eject the puck.....

to get to that arm because of an E clip - you had to strip it down entirely.

I left the Eclip off the second time - because without the Eclip on , changing it would be a 2 minute job - then it had an entierly different failure of PCB controller....which was terminal.

IIRC it had made a shade under 5000 coffees in that time (and i worked away 50% of the year through that period)

There's a James Hoffman video review of very expensive bean to cup machines on Youtube with the Jura Z10 it would probably be worth watching.

Z5 here. got it second hand 8 years ago. had it serviced twice since getting it (about £150-200) and its never missed a beat.

I like the solid build quality, good quality brew, simple to operate. it needs emptied weekly and cleaned about once every 8 weeks. dead easy to look after.

My Delonghi Perfecta is over 10 years old now, still works perfectly. Took the time when new to test the water and set the descale alert properly and I just do that when it tells me to, plus a good cleaning out every now and again.

What sort of coffee do you make/how time poor are you when it comes to brewing? I have a Niche zero and a Flair Pro2, there's almost nothing that can fail on the Flair so it doesn't have frequent mechanicals. Then I just have a milk heater for my wife and decent kettle to heat the water. But if you like foamy milky stuff a bean to cup probably works better.

Do any of these machines allow you to adjust grind for different beans? If not, I do not subscribe to them ever making coffee as good as it could be.

I bought a delonghi maginifia s cappuccino bean to cup at the start of lockdown.

Works great and no issues whatsoever. It has a removable milk jug so wife can have lattes and makes good coffees.

Can alter the grind, water temp, strength of coffee etc. Once it was set up all I do now is press one button for a coffee.

Unless you like the coffee making process and have time, then just go for an all in one job.

Another thing to consider is counter space as some of these machines are big buggers and take up much more room than you realise.

I looked at the Juras initially but bit too spendy for me

IIRC it had made a shade under 5000 coffees in that time

That sounds pretty good to me, that is a lot of coffees!

Had an Ena 8. Made weak coffee and leaked. I had it fully serviced twice at considerable expense. Now have a delonghi dynamica and it’s a better coffee maker. They make good burr grinders and they put them in their machines. Very easy to set. I also have their grinder stand-alone.

The biggest selling point other than the grinder was FRONT WATER FILLING. This is so obvious it should be mandated. These machines use a lot of water in a cycle so you have to remove the tank often. If it’s under a cupboard, you’ll soon tire of pulling out the machine to lift the tank.