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I’d have been out to check out those cars as well. Especially on a sunny day. Not sure that adds weight to the idea that people are mad for the jubilee though.
Agreed. I'm not particularly a royalist. But I went to look at the cars, if I'd have been in London I'd have gone to last nights concert because I love live music. We're having a bbq tonight with the neighbours - flags not required. The families who came to the Fair on Friday were on the whole not dressed in union flags and singing God Save the Queen.
But the point is that these things are only happening because of the Jubilee. They could have happened anyway, but didn't in any other year.
The suggestion that people are boycotting these events in large numbers just isn't true. For most, the jubilee is just an excuse to get together with people, get out to a car show, play "pin the tail on the corgi" (yes really - not my idea!) and have some fun then why not. I've had a really good couple of days because of the jubilee and I've not waved a flag, bought any jubilee tat, or muttered any sycophantic bollocks. Just had some nice times with my family, friends and colleagues. It's like enjoying Christmas despite not believing in God or Santa.
What on Earth was Billy prattling on about. Him and his dad speeches were truly dreadful and demonstrated to huge hypocrisy that is the rf
Errr Nicola is hardly likely to come out in public and declare her absolute loathing of the English Queen is she?
She's full of shit?
In reality she absolutely loathes the Queen?
The suggestion that people are boycotting these events in large numbers just isn’t true
How do you know that?
Nicola Sturgeon is just trying to draw a distinction between the Queen and what is to come.
Like in Australia where republicans think their best chance of getting rid of the monarchy is to wait until Queenie dies and her less popular son takes over.
For those who say they wouldn't want to be a member of the royal family, I think you may feel differently if you were struggling to feed your family and heat your home and generally had a pretty shit life anyway.
Nicola Sturgeon is just trying to draw a distinction between the Queen and what is to come.
Did you actually read what Sturgeon said about the Queen?
You can spin it anyway you like but it won't change the fact that it was a gushing tribute to the Queen.
Edit: The suggestion that it is to make a distinction with what is to come would appear to nail the lie that the Queen has made absolutely no personal contribution to the role of monarch.
(yes really – not my idea!)
Shame, it’s a good idea. Just like the drones forming a Corgi chasing a bone. Those little things show genuine fondness towards the Queen herself, and her personal likes, rather than just forelock tugging and worshipping the intuition of the Monarchy.
For those drawing comparisons with the additional public holiday and Christmas, it’s worth remembering that the winter festivals predate Christmas and were adopted by the church to ensure their popularity.
I did read it and yes, it could be described as a gushing tribute but politicians generally only say things that will advance their cause and whatever NS's true feelings towards her Maj, she will have that in the forefront of her mind.
whatever NS’s true feelings towards her Maj, she will have that in the forefront of her mind.
Well perhaps that's what all those middle-class 'radicals' distraught by the current jubilee celebrations should be concentrating on - convincing themselves that no one actually likes the Queen and it is all just said for effect.
I am sure that it would make them feel a whole lot better during this difficult time for them.
"Goodness me, did you hear David Attenborough's and Stephen Fry's tribute to the Queen last night? Surely they couldn't have meant it??? Of course they didn't mean it!"
It's not about liking the Queen. It's about whether you want the monarchy to continue or whether you''d rather have an elected head of state.
There will be no constitutional change while she is Monarch. She is genuinely liked by many who think the Monarchy an anachronism, not just those who support its continuation. When the very personal link of this particular monarch to all our lives, for all of our lives (in most cases), is gone… the mood surrounding how we ‘choose’ our future heads of state might shift surprisingly quickly.
whether you”d rather have an elected head of state.
Well most of the people who dislike the Queen on here appear to despise politicians even more and never seem to have a good thing to say about them.
Can you imagine the endless and insufferable whinging with regards to a GB president?
At least those that want to display their 'radical' credentials by attacking the Queen only occasionally do it, such as times like this, and the rest of the time they don't seem to give a monkeys.
So it's a tricky one I'm sure you'll agree.
rather have an elected head of state.
Genuine question I don't know the answer to.....
Why can't the prime minister be the head of state? In nations that have a prime minister, Kingdoms give the Head of State gig to a monarch and republics a president. Seems a right unnecessary faff. If we manage to move forward a century or 5 and shed ourselves of a monarchy, could we just not give the job to the PM of the day (even if the job title needed a rebrand)? Not all nations with a president have a prime minister too (e.g. USA) so I guess there must be a work around.
The usual repost to ditching the monarchy is along the lines of "well, do you really want Blair/Brown/Cameron/May/Johnston as head of state?", to which I say, lets stop voting for dicks then!
But I went to look at the cars
Windsor had a car show on The Long Walk - one British car for each year of the reign. Some nice gems there; Noble, McLaren, Lister Jaguar (£88k in 1988!), A Bristol, Allegro Vanden Plas, a lot of TVRs, Rolls and Bentleys. But the star... made famous from the video of "Don't you want me?" was of course the Rover Vitesse SD1 press car. thought they'd all rusted by now. Terry Wogan's Mini, but not Mini Metros. Funny that the Cosworth Sierra was AWOL, like my stepfather's (stolen twice).
Thousands of people, lots of bands and big screens to watch the show and one presumes cheer the queen (She'd hear it from the castle).
It’s not about liking the Queen. It’s about whether you want the monarchy to continue or whether you”d rather have an elected head of state.
And yet a few posts back you made it about the former by implying a major public figure was bullshiting when she claimed to like the queen.
Well most of the people who dislike the Queen on here appear to despise politicians even more and never seem to have a good thing to say about them.
The thing is politicians actually have to work for a living. They get attacked because their actions have real visible impacts (unlike queenie who influences laws in secret because if we knew what they did then it would damage their image of impartiality).
If they do a crap job then they get binned. We also dont have to put up with their offspring automatically. Opinions are split on Margaret Thatcher but I think even her greatest fans are happy her son didnt get the job.
Whereas we will be getting Charles who is so unselfaware he came out with this.
“What is wrong with everyone nowadays? Why do they all seem to think they are qualified to do things far beyond their technical capabilities? People seem to think they can all be pop stars, high court judges, brilliant TV personalities or infinitely more competent heads of state without ever putting in the necessary work or having natural ability. This is the result of social utopianism which believes humanity can be genetically and socially engineered to contradict the lessons of history.”
Ernie copied and pasted NS comments on the Queen and then said: "I hope that helps you to understand how people who clearly admire Mrs Windsor see her."
I was suggesting that it is a little naive to take a politician at their word.
And in any case NS never said she liked the Queen, she did say she respected her.
Whether that is true or not, we'll likely never know.
This is why we can't have a proper discussion about the monarchy in this country. Far too much sentimentalism about them and anyone who says anything negative about them is automatically denounced as a traitor. It's very much like arguing about religion.
This is why we can’t have a proper discussion about the monarchy in this country. Far too much sentimentalism about them and anyone who says anything negative about them is automatically denounced as a traitor.
Your post is the first time that I have seen the word "traitor" used on this thread or in any other discussion surrounding the jubilee.
Have you got any examples which I might have missed where anyone who has said anything negative about the monarchy has automatically been denounced as a traitor?
Btw your claim that Nicola Sturgeon isn't saying that she "likes" the Queen is her gushing tribute to her sounds rather desperate.
I wasn't talking about this thread in particular but rather in general when I used the word traitor.
And it wasn't necessarily meant to be taken literally, I was over emphasising so as to make a point.
As for NS, call it desperation if it pleases you to do so. Like I say, we'll likely never know what she really thinks about the Queen as a person and I am not sure it matters so much in any case.
Certainly her comments proves absolutely nothing.
You've been pretty aggressive in your defence of the monarchy and if you wish to live your life being a brown nose to the monarch, then that's your choice. Just try to respect the fact that some of us don't.
Edited to say: Are you really saying that liking someone and respecting someone is the same thing? It's really not you know. Also, what's that saying about facts and stories?
I think to to be discussing if NS 'likes' Lizzie is to be missing the point - arguably deliberately.
You can like her as a person, you can even acknowledge that by dint of good fortune she has a lot of experience of spending time around world leaders, but still actively wish for monarchy to end and question the necessity of a jubilee. It's an irrelevance. Public 'like' of the current monarch might be the thing that keeps the gig going for the Saxe-Coburgs and 'dislike' of the next incumbent might finish it off - but that's more to do with the superficial level much of society is conducted at as anything more profound about the concept of living in a kingdom rather than a republic.
Like I say, we’ll likely never know what she really thinks about the Queen as a person
Well we do know because Nicola Sturgeon has it made very clear what her opinions with regards to the Queen are.
You have decided that because Nicola Sturgeon is a politician she must be lying. Which presumably means that we are never likely to know what she, or any other politician, really think about anything.
And presents something of a problem if the role of head of state is to be an elected politician.
You’ve been pretty aggressive in your defence of the monarchy and if you wish to live your life being a brown nose to the monarch, then that’s your choice. Just try to respect the fact that some of us don’t.
I haven't defended the monarchy at all. I have specifically said that it a hangover from a long gone feudal past which has no place in an advanced democracy.
What I have done is defended the right of individuals to enjoy the jubilee celebrations without being preached to by self-righteous middle-class pseudo-radicals. It is rather ironic that you should be ask me to respect other people's attitudes.
And whatever my opinions of the monarchy might be I am perfectly prepared to accept that many people like and respect Mrs Windsor on a personal level due to her alleged dedication to the role which she was born into.
I know very little about her, I have never met her, she has never given me any advice, and I have no interest in the royal family or what they get up to - I don't even know the names of half of them.
Btw one of the principle reasons I have never, as a foreign born migrant, applied to become a naturalized Brit is that I have never felt very comfortable about being a hypocrite and publicly swearing allegiance to Queen Elizabeth 2 and her successors. Also my communist party membership might have put the validity of my legal oath in question.
Luckily a fairly recent change in the law means that I can now probably apply for British nationality through my mother. You don't have to swear allegiance to the Crown if it is a birthright.
You’ve been pretty aggressive in your defence of the monarchy
Can you give an example of ernie 'agressively' defending the monarchy. Or does it fall into the same category as your traitor comment, i.e. never happened?
Aggresion on this thread is people being called 'stupid' or' flag shagging little englanders' for attending Jubilee events.
I am ambivalent about the monarchy with a leaning towards republicanism but respect the Queen as a person. I attended a local Jubilee event because it was a welcome and rare opportunity for communal fun and to socialise with neighbours. There are millions like me. Ordinary folk from all walks of life, with differing viewpoints on the monarchy and every other subject but who took the opportunity to have a a bit of bank holiday fun.
Every one of them 'stupid'? Flag shagging little englanders? 'Servile'? 'Brown nose'? Etc. etc. It's a sneering, condescending sense of superiority. Look at those plebs with their simple minded diversions.
You have decided that because Nicola Sturgeon is a politician she must be lying
You seem to be the one reading stuff in which hasnt been said. That statement from Sturgeon really isnt that gushing.
And presents something of a problem if the role of head of state is to be an elected politician.
Good point lets stick to the royals for whom the government declined to release information about their meddling and lobbying because it would risk "the appearance of political neutrality".
Bugger
Well most of the people who dislike the Queen on here appear to despise politicians even more and never seem to have a good thing to say about them.
Can you imagine the endless and insufferable whinging with regards to a GB president?
At least those that want to display their ‘radical’ credentials by attacking the Queen only occasionally do it, such as times like this, and the rest of the time they don’t seem to give a monkeys.
4/10 you need to up your trolling game
That statement from Sturgeon really isnt that gushing.
gushing
(of speech or writing) effusive or exaggeratedly enthusiastic.
"gushing praise"
You think Nicola Sturgeon isn't exaggerating her enthusiasm for the Queen when she says this, she really is that enthusiastic?
Nicola Sturgeon has spoken of her “deep respect” for the Queen, saying her private conversations with the monarch are one of the privileges of being Scotland’s First Minister.
In an interview with the BBC, the First Minister said even those who were not “great supporters” of the monarchy still thought of her as a “quite extraordinary individual”.
She said: “One of the things that I feel great respect for the Queen around is just that dedication, that selfless commitment to duty and to service.
I think it is fair to say that, that opportunity to talk with her, to benefit from her knowledge, her wisdom and perhaps above all the completely unique perspective she has on modern world history, is something that I deeply value and will always really treasure.”
She continued: “I have benefited from it, I have learned from it and it is something I will always cherish.
She is somebody who has had a front-row seat on the last 70 years of history.
She has met every world leader over that time. She has seen up close and personal some of the key events of history.
The knowledge that gives her, the wisdom that gives her, the perspective that gives her is much more valuable in these conversations then any specific thing that she will perhaps say.”
I am ambivalent about the monarchy with a leaning towards republicanism
There are millions like me. Ordinary folk from all walks of life, with differing viewpoints on the monarchy and every other subject but who took the opportunity to have a a bit of bank holiday fun.
We have come full circle, millions of people who don't support the monarchy out supporting the monarchy cause it's a bit of fun isn't it...I still don't get it, what am I missing? Why so happy to be thrown a bone and do their PR for them?
Despite earnies trolling I am no radical I just don't support the Monarchy so haven't gone out and supported the Monarchy, hardly radical stuff that. I also don't like football so I don't go to football matches.
TBF, now he's put it in bold I totally believe it.
Couldn't give two shits about Sturgeons view tbh, it's not like I can vote for or against her.
Ernie, I am not going to repeat my comments on NS as there's no point.
Having an elected head of state won't solve all our problems but it might help make the UK a better place to live in the long term.
I have made no comment about people going to jubilee parties. I have no problem with anyone going. Insult me all you like but them's the facts. There has been aggressive comments about anyone questioning what a marvellous person the Queen is as well as other things.
Bloke, I have been clear what I said about traitors, try reading my post before commenting. Again, I have said nothing about parties, if you went and had a good time, good for you. Didn't go to one myself which makes me neither a better or worse person than someone who did.
I did watch on TV though. Thought much of it was ok to be honest in a don't think too hard about things kind of way. I even enjoyed Rod Stewart's performance thanks to Binners.
There has been aggressive comments about anyone questioning what a marvellous person the Queen is
Example?
NS has clearly been bold over by the marvellousness of her Maj
Try scrolling through, Bloke.
The sentiment tracking going on in this thread seems to be as skewed and chewed up as a dusty old vhs recorder!
There has been aggressive comments about anyone questioning what a marvellous person the Queen is
Example?
Every now and then I let my guard down and start to think you might be a decent person. Then you revert to type and prove me wrong.
Try scrolling through, Bloke.
I have. Can't find an example, but I didn't make the claim so I don't need to back it up.
I just posted one from you above - and there have been others 🙂
Posting the full video, as I don’t think anyone has yet…
https://twitter.com/mrmikecowan/status/1533164454057332736?s=21
10/10
Genuinely brought a tear to my eye.
Anyway, still no real sign of a Jubilee around here. Perhaps I’m not looking hard enough. Will have to watch some more of the London stuff on TV. The last hurrah of a lovely Monarch. I wish she could be our last. What a great way to honour her. Our last, finest, longest serving Monarch. When studying history, any unqualified mention of “The Queen” will be taken to be a reference to Elizabeth II.
Sorry TJ I'm not having that. I said that not in response to you 'questioning what a marvellous person the Queen is' but because you insulted everyone who attended a jubilee event by calling them flag shagging little englanders. Pretty ugly and offensive stuff.
Here's another quote of mine on the subject:
Every one of them ‘stupid’? Flag shagging little englanders? ‘Servile’? ‘Brown nose’? Etc. etc. It’s a sneering, condescending sense of superiority. Look at those plebs with their simple minded diversions.
NS has clearly been bold over by the marvellousness of her Maj
Well it's her opinion not mine, I simply provided and an example for AA who accuses me off trolling, as my earlier comment pointed out:
It’s a question which you have seemed to have asked before AA, so maybe this will help you understand the alternative point of view. It is a gushing tribute from Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon:
I think Stephen Fry's tribute to Mrs Windsor outside the gates of Buckingham Palace last night was also another excellent example, if you watched it. Which apparently some people who are totally against the jubilee celebrations did. Trolling indeed eh?
Remind me, what is Stephen Fry's profession?
He has many. I presume you’re referring to his acting abilities? I’m happy to accept that Fry is genuinely fond of “The Queen”. It’s not a stretch, is it.
Let’s not have a Queen Camilla.
Let’s not have a Queen Catherine.
Let’s make this a last hurrah for the title.
what is Stephen Fry’s profession?
National treasure?
I simply provided and an example for AA
It’s a question which you have seemed to have asked before AA
You provided an answer to a question you came up with that I did not ask. Well done you!!
And Attenborough and Fry....men of the people for sure 😄😄😄
If we manage to move forward a century or 5 and shed ourselves of a monarchy, could we just not give the job to the PM of the day
Well I think the idea is that PMs work on actually running stuff whereas Presidents are the ones entertaining visiting people, opening hospitals, schmoozing and so on. Quite important for your hospital to be opened by someone apolitical, really, because an unpopular politician could ruin the day and divert attention from whatever it is.
And Attenborough and Fry….men of the people for sure 😄😄😄
I know! Don't you just hate them!
And who cares what David Attenborough says!
Btw I assume that you watched the jubilee celebrations outside Buckingham Palace last night AA as I didn't mention David Attenborough.
The suggestion that people are boycotting these events in large numbers just isn’t true
"Boycotting" or simply "not going"?
Public ‘like’ of the current monarch might be the thing that keeps the gig going for the Saxe-Coburgs and ‘dislike’ of the next incumbent might finish it off
this is the bit I really don’t understand. I don’t understand how people can have a strong enough opinion to like or dislike the queen. We have no idea what she is actually like. We get a carefully choreographed public image created by the pr team and that’s it nothing about what she is really like
Off track slightly, but we visited some friends yesterday and took the motorbike because the weather looked OK. It pissed down. However, we rode through some lovely Shropshire, Worcestershire and Warwickshire countryside.
Most villages were decorated and quite a few street parties will in full flow on village greens and closed off cul-de-sacs. In quite a few villages they had put 'effigies' up at strategic places around the village. Badly made scarecrow type effigies with paper queen masks on. Some in shell suits, some with home made crowns. There was even an Elvis Queen.
Me and the Mrs were having a right chuckle, I wished I'd taken a few pictures. They were all a bit creepy and sinister, as a kid they would have absolutely terrified me! There's a great plot for a Wicker Man type horror film there. Probably culminating in the hapless motorcycle tourists being burned alive in a 30 foot high queen effigy!
I saw one yesterday which was a masked skeleton day on a toilet
We have come full circle, millions of people who don’t support the monarchy out supporting the monarchy cause it’s a bit of fun isn’t it…I still don’t get it, what am I missing?
It's same as millions of people celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ despite not being religious. You know, people having a bit of fun.
It’s same as millions of people celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ a pagan festival despite not being religious. You know, people having a bit of fun.
lmftfy
Btw I assume that you watched the jubilee celebrations outside Buckingham Palace last night AA as I didn’t mention David Attenborough.
Nope, someone else must have mentioned it.
Don’t you just hate them
There you go again, making stuff up like the funny little troll!
Why don't you set to work answering some more questions you think I have.
It’s same as millions of people celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ a pagan festival despite not being religious. You know, people having a bit of fun.
lmftfy
I'm aware of the history, thanks.
seems not
Btw I assume that you watched the jubilee celebrations outside Buckingham Palace last night AA as I didn’t mention David Attenborough.
Well perhaps that’s what all those middle-class ‘radicals’ distraught by the current jubilee celebrations should be concentrating on – convincing themselves that no one actually likes the Queen and it is all just said for effect.
I am sure that it would make them feel a whole lot better during this difficult time for them.
“Goodness me, did you hear David Attenborough’s and Stephen Fry’s tribute to the Queen last night? Surely they couldn’t have meant it??? Of course they didn’t mean it!”
It’s same as millions of people celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ a pagan festival despite not being religious. You know, people having a bit of fun.
Not for me, religion I am not against the concept of it. Most of the general ideas seem pretty good tbh, obviously some people's actions can drag it down but,cwell they are people I suppose. On the other hand I disagree fundamentally with the idea of a Monarchy. Many don't agree with, oh well it's not the first and it won't be the last
seems not
Only if you attribute an opinion to me which I don't hold.
Not for me, religion I am not against the concept of it.
It turns out that not everyone sees the world exactly the same as you do. So just as non Christians celebrate Christmas, those who are not royalists may choose to join in the jubilee festivities. I suspect most people just want to have a party and one shouldn't take it as evidence of uncritical forelock tugging servility.
So just as non Christians celebrate Christmas, those who are not royalists may choose to join in the jubilee festivities. I suspect most people just want to have a party and one shouldn’t take it as evidence of uncritical forelock tugging servility.
Precisely. I am at a loss to understand why that's such a difficult concept to grasp?
. I suspect most people just want to have a party and one shouldn’t take it as evidence of uncritical forelock tugging servility.
Indeed, most don't seem to mind, but as I said at the start its those who are "at best ambivalent" or who don't like the idea of a Monarchy that go out to Jubilee parties that really annoy me, such docile little sheep, that profess to not like it but are happy to publicly support it.
those who are “at best ambivalent” or who don’t like the idea of a Monarchy that go out to Jubilee parties that really annoy me, such docile little sheep, that profess to not like it but are happy to publicly support it.
This seems like a wilfully black and white take on it.
those who are “at best ambivalent” or who don’t like the idea of a Monarchy that go out to Jubilee parties that really annoy me
Well as long as you are "really" annoyed over something as important as people going out and enjoying themselves, or whether they even should, then you have obviously got your priorities right.
This seems like a wilfully black and white take on it.
On the internet? Surely not!!
This seems like a wilfully black and white take on it.
No, it's just my view.
Well as long as you are “really” annoyed over something as important as people going out and enjoying themselves, or whether they even should, then you have obviously got your priorities right
Shouldn't you be working out how to row back on the not mentioning Attenborough comment?
the Queen is probably the most famous and recognisable person on Earth, I’d imagine? I couldn’t seriously think of someone more so
I reckon Jackie Chan would give her a run for her money.
I reckon Jackie Chan would give her a run for her money.
In a fight? Maybe. But then if she frisbeed a coronet between his eyes or ****ted him with a mace who knows?
Shouldn’t you be working out how to row back on the not mentioning Attenborough comment?
Not really, it amuses me that you went trawling back through my posts looking to see whether I had mentioned David Attenborough or not. I knew that it was possible that I had but I couldn't be arse to go back and check.
It also amuses that people like me who don't necessarily support the monarchy going to or watching the jubilee celebrations "really annoys" you.
So I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for all the amusement AA 😉
I reckon Jackie Chan would give her a run for her money.
Who?
I reckon Jackie Chan would give her a run for her money.
More recognisable than Mrs Windsor? I don't think I would recognise Jackie Chan if I saw him in China Town, but I am fairly confident that I might recognise Her Majesty.
Mind you she does have the obvious advantage of having her face being on a lot of postal stamps, coins, and pound notes.
Someone mentioned ‘scraping the barrel’ on the entertainment.
Bloody Ed Sheehan’s on soon! Yeah I know he’s dead popular but he’s not my cup of tea.
I don’t think I would recognise Jackie Chan if I saw him in China Town
all chinese look the same eh ? perhaps in a oap home ?
More recognisable than Mrs Windsor? I don’t think I would recognise Jackie Chan if I saw him in China Town, but I am fairly confident that I might recognise Her Majesty.
You’re looking at it from a very British point of view. He’s definitely one of the most well known and widely recognised individuals worldwide alive today
its those who are “at best ambivalent” or who don’t like the idea of a Monarchy that go out to Jubilee parties that really annoy me, such docile little sheep, that profess to not like it but are happy to publicly support it.
Quite right, people socialising with their neighbours is a complete outrage.
For the record I haven't watched any of the festivities or been to any jubilee parties. I just don't feel the need to denounce those that have.
Right, it’s just about finished, so you can all sod off & disagree about something else really important. 😂
So I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for all the amusement AA
Likewise, the admission of just lying to keep up your trolling makes it all the more sweet.
More recognisable than Mrs Windsor? I don’t think I would recognise Jackie Chan if I saw him in China Town, but I am fairly confident that I might recognise Her Majesty.
Wow,just wow! On so many levels that is incredible....you do realise you are not the sole arbiter of fact in the world don't you?
Given that popular sentiment is so anti Royal, and to be honest, 70 years is so exceptional the next royal will never get near it, what's the next thing or person worth an international celebration in the UK? Is there anything, or is it just grey mediocrity out into the distance.
**Noone under 40, at best , will recognise Jackie Chan. That's just nonsense. My kids wouldn't recognise an Elvis song either - they're for old people now only
Right, it’s just about finished, so you can all sod off & disagree about something else really important.
What could be more important than disagreeing with something not worth disagreeing about?
its those who are “at best ambivalent” or who don’t like the idea of a Monarchy that go out to Jubilee parties that really annoy me, such docile little sheep, that profess to not like it but are happy to publicly support it
Oh come on… if there’s one thing that truly unifies the population of this nation, regardless of class or political affiliation it’s finding any old excuse to have a massive piss up
Noone under 40, at best , will recognise Jackie Chan. That’s just nonsense.
My son is 11 and he would, he also would recognise Bruce Lee...I have raised him right 😜
what’s the next thing or person worth an international celebration in the UK
10 years of glorius Brexit
My kids recognise Jackie Chan. The Spy Next Door was big when they were little… and… he’s a cultural icon… I find it weird that anyone wouldn’t recognise him (on TV or whatever anyway, on the street where you’re not expecting famous people, maybe not).