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[Closed] Jonathan Pie vs. Owen Jones

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Interesting little debate about calling out people for un-PC language vs. Maintaining debate. Well worth a look.

(Obviously that sort of thing never happens on STW)

What do you reckon?


 
Posted : 05/05/2018 1:05 am
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I don’t think either really nailed it, Owen did his usual smearing of ‘the right’, like life is that simple.

The worrying trend in universities to deny a platform to those with non PC opinions is concerning. Personally I would err on the side of free speech for the reasons Jon stated, by bringing these often ridiculous opinions out into debate they can be challenged and yes debated. I don’t agree with there being a consensus that cannot be challenged.

I sit very firmly on the camp where there is only one human race and a binary approach to gender does not accord with reality, but I’m happy to chat about it and don’t think anyone who thinks differently is a bad person who shouldn’t be allowed to voice an opinion.

I think Owen got a bit confused at one point with the example he cited about someone using social media to target gay people, that’s not a free speech issue, it looks like conspiracy or incitement to me


 
Posted : 05/05/2018 9:15 am
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"The worrying trend in universities to deny a platform to those with non PC opinions is concerning."

Just because the Tories made a policy to outlaw it, doesn't mean it is happening. Actual cases of no platforming are very rare. Moreover, a distinction should be made between what student unions are doing and what universities are doing. They are separate entities.


 
Posted : 05/05/2018 10:14 am
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You’re right; I was thinking of SU’s

I have no information on the frequency that this happens. Of course it gets a lot of press when it does, which is probably skewing my perception.


 
Posted : 05/05/2018 10:32 am
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The argument is simple and neither expressed it. Context is every thing. And modern society doesn't understand that.


 
Posted : 05/05/2018 9:48 pm

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