[Closed] Joey Barton - discuss*

TJ, examples of both please, this is the fourth time i've asked. I've googled 'Joey Barton Loses temper' and can find NO other incidents over the last two years. do you have a different version of google?

If you look at the [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Barton ]Wikipedia[/url] page for Barton and scroll down to the section covering the past two seasons you can find plenty of incidents that can be described as unsavoury.

It would be fascinating if he did turn up at Arsenal although I cannot see him turning them into winners.

It's like this TJ, I used to work as a plasterer, during that time if somebody had come up to me,sworn at me and shoved me, I would have punched him; I would also have ensured (if I was able) he was not going to get up and hit me back. It is the way us lower classes behave I am afraid. At no point, and I was from time to time in fights as a young un, did I see it as anything out of the ordinary,nor did anybody else,it is just life.
Sub training ground for Building site. Barton attempting to address this reaction to confrontation and recognising that he needs to walk away, and learning to do so,as even you can surely see he had done,is to be praised.

And as you are rugby supporter please don't call the Pederson incident an assault. I still train with a local club and I can think of a couple of fights/punches thrown already in pre-season.

duckman - I am not having that. What Barton did was not self defence by any stretch of the imagination - he beat a semi concious man into hospital. He continued to beat him while he was on the ground, he had to be dragged off him by teamamtes and he clearly still considers this to be a self defence and a normal reaction.

Thats the point he still considers he was right and its acceptable to beat an semi concious man while he lies defenseless on the ground. Now I accept he claims to be trying to change but in that interveiw which was only a few months ago he clearly states that what he did was right and aceptable. He wishes he ha dpleaded not guilty.

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in that interveiw which was only a few months ago he clearly states that what he did was right and aceptable

It's even in the part that you quoted.

He admits to 'going overboard' in the way he defended himself, says it's the way he was built, the way he was raised and something he now has to deconstruct. 'It's a work in progress,' he says

And where I'm from, if you throw one punch you're in for a penny, in for a pound. I can't just come up to you and throw one punch and then say, "Hang on a minute" when you punch me back. Which was the way Ousmane wanted it. I knew when he was coming towards me he wasn't coming to tickle me. We've obviously had words and I wasn't prepared to take the chance and I defended myself. In my opinion he was the aggressor. Ousmane is not an aggressive lad, but he was the aggressor that day and it's a[b] deep regret of mine that I didn't stick with the "not guilty" plea.'[/b]

That is not the reasoning of a changed man. He thinks what he did was right and that he was hard done by With that I will leave the thread. I don't know how you guys can keep defending this guy.

And where I'm from, if you throw one punch you're in for a penny, in for a pound. I can't just come up to you and throw one punch and then say, "Hang on a minute" when you punch me back. Which was the way Ousmane wanted it. I knew when he was coming towards me he wasn't coming to tickle me. We've obviously had words and I wasn't prepared to take the chance and I defended myself. In my opinion he was the aggressor. Ousmane is not an aggressive lad, but he was the aggressor that day and it's a [b]deep regret of mine that I didn't stick with the "not guilty" plea.[/b]'

Because the reasons for the fight starting are perfectly plausible and reflect real situations that many of us have encountered in life, don't confuse that with the extent of the damage he did which he does show regret for, and has taken actions to address.

No TJ he is saying a fight happened and he defended himself - and he accepts he went over the top.
How many people would defend themselves in a fight?

he also accepts he has to change again
I am out this is pointless you wont change your opinion but it will be fun reminding you of these quotes when you are being a bleeding heart liberal on rehabilitation in the future.

Junkyard - he hit a man from behind as he walked away, he continued to beat him as he lay stunned on the ground.

Its was not a fight - it was a brutal attack albeit with provocation.

he was not defending himself =- thats the point. He is justifying his actions by saying he was defending himself.

Now a reformed character would be accepting his guilt and apologising for his actions. Not attempting to justify them on spurious grounds

Edit - of course I believe in rehabilitation. My pint here is simple Warton and others claimed he was a reformed character. He is defence of his actions that day and his refusal to accept guilt, his actions since on the field show that while he may be trying to reform he is not there yet.

well done you sucked me in but my previous statement still stands

whilst I would just love to debate how bad he was in the past , no one is diputing this. We are debating whether he has reformed or whether he has not , or whether he should be sacked for his past acts [ you may have changed from that now for all I know]

I am out this is pointless you wont change your opinion but it will be fun reminding you of these quotes when you are being a bleeding heart liberal on rehabilitation in the future.

You have helped addicts did it all go easily from the moment they quit or was it a rocky road to recovery. Changing the habits of a lifetime is not that easy and anyone who tries deserves some respect and encouragement IMHO - overall he seems to be doing quite well

Newcastle manager Alan Pardew has suggested that Joey Barton's Newcastle career is not over. Barton has been made available on a free transfer after criticising the club on social networking site Twitter, but Pardew said: "I've never closed the door on anyone and I'm not closing the door on Joey."

Joey Barton on Twitter "Does anybody have Isambard Kingdom Brunel's number?"

anything is better than going to Stoke.

Joey Barton on Twitter "Does anybody have Isambard Kingdom Brunel's number?"

My money is on him having a team of writers. As that is top drawer material.

My money is on him having a team of writers. As that is top drawer material.

I did think that reading some of his twitter stuff yesterday if he was getting help with it. Man U seem to have handled the twitter thing better than most clubs, its pretty clear that some of their players tweets are coming from the press office.

When I googled "joey barton twitter" yesterday, one of the first results was an article from a journalist, who had just interviewed him, saying how surprisingly intelligent he was.
Did make me wonder if part of his problems was that coming from the background he did, and going into a football academy, he missed out on a lot of education that he was capable of.

My pint here is simple

Can you get a pint of Simple? What does it taste like?

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I don't think it's available in pints, only metric amounts such as for example two hundred and fifty millilitres.

In't 'millilitres' a weird word to look at on screen/in print? Bit of a mouthful to say, an' all.

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Can you get a pint of Simple? What does it taste like?

Very very bitter, with a sour aftertaste......

Pint of simple to wash down the humble pie? Can't see it myself.

I remember seeing Newcastle score after being 4-0 down to Arsenal. Who went and picked the ball out of the net and told his teammates to "come on, we can do this" (or words to that effect)? And what did he think after the game? "We should have won 5-4" 🙂

I dunno, I suspect TeeJ's backed himself into a corner on this one and has now turned his back on us and started to talk out of his lower colon.

He's a typical scouser (and I say that as one), I'd be happy to see him at LFC, esp as Gerrard is gonna miss a fair bit of the season. He has that same combativeness and fireyness that typifies the best players from Liverpool, it's no accident that Gerrard and Rooney have that same attitude and spark. Barton just doesn't always channel it in the right way. But you can't doubt his commitment and quality. If he can keep a lid on and walk a tight line, as Rooney and Gerrard just manage to do, he would be an asset to any team in England.

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gobshite...

yep a big mouth seems to be a common trait in both the player and his supporters.

You just had a player sent off you cheating gobshite. I hope you are proud.

Well. I have two points to add.

For those saying he's the best English midfielder, LOL.

Also, he yet again proved his colours. At least now we won't get these bollocks rumours about him coming to Arsenal. Horrible little man.

i know getting stamped on by one arsenal player and hit by an another WTF was he thinking off?

He tucked up that Arsenal lad nicely. His next dive will be better. Given that Alex Song just stamped on his calf, a classic shithouse move, a measure of justice was done.

To be fair, it was a red for the slap, but he was a bit theatrical about it. Red for both would've been about right.

Should have been red for both. The fact that he can throw himself to the ground with a delay after being tapped very lightly, claim several times that he was punched and then come out and say he doesn't dive are frankly shameful.

Not really. The Arsenal player (the cheat) dived to try and cheat his way to a penalty - this is a booking, and would anger any opposing player in the league. The cheat then slapped Barton who clearly made a meal of it. Dive for a penalty and then slap someone is obviously a red. Get slapped by someone who's just tried to cheat your team out of the game and go down easy - not close to a red.

Mix in the fact that Barton had been the victim of a properly snide dig from Song earlier on and most neutrals will feel that it was a fair outcome.

So the Arsenal player who dived and tried to get a penalty was cheating but Barton going down when hardly touched and claiming he had been punched in order to get an opponent sent off was fair enough was it .

Agree with TJ he won't or probably can't change , I don't think he's all bad , very committed if you were being kind . ( Joey Barton that is not TJ )

Just read an interview with him on BBC - 'yeah I went down easy'.

So - that's okay, but going down 'easy' when caught in the box isn't?

Try to think about what you are saying silly boy.

I think that's absolutely disgusting and a pretty poor example for the kids. 'Easy' is an adjective and the statement really needs the adverb 'easily' as he's describing the verb. Deserves to be sent down for that one.

The Arsenal player didn't dive. Barton put his oar in and then did a drama queen act and lied about the "slap" purely to get the player sent off. Nice.

all great but it ignores the fact an Arsenal player slapped him. Had it been reversed and barton "dived" then slapped Gervinho [ WTF IS GOING IN WITH THAT HAIR?} I can safely assume you would be defending Barton then?

I can safely assume you would be defending Barton then?

I don't know, I'd call the incident if I actually saw the footage rather than make judgement based upon a hypothetical situation. I don't have a Barton agenda but he did himself no favours yesterday despite the provocation (Song incident).

Joey Deacon's competing in the Discus..?

At the Olympics...?

that'll never work

Nice to see that Wenger has finally decided to start concentrating on the game too.
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"I don't understand the red card," said Wenger. "I am 100% sure the referee did not see what happened.

"I think he has his back turned to the incident. If he had seen it, he would have sent both of them off, or nobody."

Junkyard - he slapped Barton because Barton manhandled him. He manhandled him because he decided the 'dive' was cheating. So he cheated himself.

6 and two 3s but Barton has the reputation and is his own worse enemy.

i dont think barton covered himself in glory but it is hard to think of another player who would have been stamped on then hit who would get this much grief for it.
I also imagine the response if Barton had stamped and then been provoked into a slap.
It was not a great spectacle but cheating may be going a tad far. I thought it was a dive initially but I suspect that makes me wrong rather than a cheat. I suspect every premier league player would have gone down for that slap as well - this is not much defence but it cannot be used to single him out for our contempt.

If he'd have been playing for Arsenal yesterday, they probably would have won.

Too much hand-wringing overreaction to anything involving JB.

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Incidentally, apparently as Barton grabbed Gervinho off the floor while the ball was still in play, that should have been a penalty as well. And while Gervinho went down easily, he was tripped. Barton should also technically have been off the pitch already for leaving and reentering the field of play without the referee's permission to abuse the fourth official. But hey.

Oh look, Arsenal fayns complaining about the actions of everyone but their own players, once again...

Song shooduv gone for the stamp, but to be quite honest, if I was the ref, I'duv red-craded Gervinho or that stupid hairdo, before he even stepped onto the pitch.

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Barton, Song and Bacary Sagna wooduv got yellows at least for their barnets....

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Arsenal are ill-disciplined and lack leaders on the pitch. I expect they'll pick up quite a few more reds before the season's out. And start a few more pitch brawls.

And now their best two players have left, and very few top players will want to sign for them, I expect they'll start sliding down the table. Wenger's last season? Could well be, eh. Speshly if they finish mid-table. Walcott, Van Persie, Arshavin and a few others could leave too, making things worse.

If I were an Arsenal fayn, I'd be worried about more than Joey Barton right now.

As for Barton himself, silly boy, but tbh I think Arsenal got their just deserts yesterday. Don't condone his actions, but Arsenal are in no place to try to bleat on about how underhaynd other players are ffs!

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the gervinho / barton hand bags made good viewing in a dull encounter.

Song is the real nasty piece of work here though, be a disgrace if he doesn't get a ban for that stamp!

Ooh, don't let an Arsenal fayn hear you say that, Tim. Or they'll probbly have a go about how Barton deliberately forced Song to stamp on his calf or something....

Arsene Whinger does not in any way understand why Gervinho was sent off. Erm, you might want to try reading the rules on the game, Arsene. Hitting another player in the face is serious violent conduct and a straight red. As was the stamp, which cooduv bin really serious. Proper nasty thing to do, that. Far worse than the slap. Disgusting.

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Oh look, Arsenal fayns complaining about the actions of everyone but their own players, once again...

But in the general scheme of things, the actions of two Arsenal players in that game were worser than owt Barton did, yet once again the focus is on Barton. we should be discussing Arsenal's lack of discipline, not Barton, really. What he did by picking Gervinho up when the poor lamb fell over, was just being helpful, surely. 😀 Had any other players done that, people would be saying how it was just a bit of frustration at what looked like cheating (Gervinho was tapped but went down looking for the penalty).

Barton then used the same 'fall down like I've bin shot' tactic that Gervinho had done, and it worked in his favour. Arsenal got their just deserts, and it's good to see a team who regularly resort to this kind of thing actually get penalised for it. Then, did you see the Newcastle players trying to break it up, and other Arsenal players come steaming in? Arsenal very lucky to end the game with 10 men, could just as easily bin 9 or even 8.

Barton is no angel, but at least he's honest, passionate and committed.

Unlike most of the Arsenal Squad....

Yeah and if I was a Liverpool fan I'd be far more worried.

Although actually, I wouldn't. 6th place again is about right.

We'll see, Sawyer, we'll see... 😉

Thing is, Liverpool fayns at least realistic about our team's chances; your lot are continually deluded as you have bin now for the last six potless years....

6th place again is about right.

Your lot will be lucky if they reach such dizzying heights.

Got any comment on the disgusting behaviour by at least two of your players yesterday?

Thought not. Typical Arsenal denial....

Yeah and if I was a Liverpool fan I'd be far more worried.
Although actually, I wouldn't. 6th place again is about right.

BOOM.

No coming back from a razor sharp post like that.

Arsenal's first big challenge comes only this week, with a CL qualifier against Udinese. They better hope Udinese aren't that good, cos the way they played yesterday, they stand a good chance of not even getting into the CL proper. With no escape route into the Europa League, I think. So, pressure on even this early, without looking like a team who can actually handle it.

As for Liverpool; great first half, but unlucky with the penalty, disallowed (perfectly good really) goal, and Downing's screamer off the bar. Cooduv easily bin out of sight by half time really. And only one serious error for their goal. Shooduv killed the game off first half really. Frustrating, but not the end of the World. Plenty of positives.

But Sawyer, as an Arsenal fayn, tell me honestly; what do you realistically expect from this season?

Hmm. He's gone awfully silent all of a sudden... 😐

not read the whole thread, but what intigued me about the whole thing was why was Barton given a card at all ?

i know that he should have got red not yellow, but - and this is the important bit - tv clearly showed that the ref and lino definately did not see barton man handle the arsenal guy, the ref had his back to the whole thing. it was revealed afterwards that the radio communication between officials was out and the ref and two linos didn't confer until after the cards had been issued. so why and for what was barton given a yellow other than for taking part in the general melee, in which case more cards should have been issued?

on what the ref saw barton shouldn't have received anything. poor refereeing, handing out cards on what he thought might have happened.

as a staunch defender of Barton on this thread in the past, I have to agree he didn't exactly cover himself in glory yesterday, he say he doesn't like cheats after blatantly cheating himself is a bit shameful. However I echo elfins comments, he wasn't the one that stamped on a player, or the one who blatantly dived to win a penalty, or the one that slapped another player in the face, but all the focus is on him. although, after his antics over the lat few weeks he only has himself to blame for that.

And Warton has it - that is what I have been trying to say.

Barton is no angel, but at least he's [b]honest[/b]

Errrr, trying to convince the ref that he'd been punched when the Arse player had girlie slapped him ain't that honest IMO. Ditto for Barton's teamate who upper the ante by claiming Barton had been elbowed.

Cheating tw*ts.

And Warton has it - that is what I have been trying to say.

Really? We'd never have guessed.

Fair enough, but in fairness, having bin stamped on earlier, Barton and Newcastle had every reason to be peed off.

It was the Arsenal players who should be under scrutiny far more than Barton.

But as usual, Whinger 'did not see the incident'. How convenient. Shooduv bin to Specsavers, Arsene.

Heard from an Arsenal fayn today who is proper disillusioned and fed up already, just one game in! 😆

Still waiting for Sawyer's response... 🙄

Been.
Fan.
Should have.

Stop typing such drivel.

No.

And as for 'drivel':

Dear Kettle, you are black. Love, Pot. *

*or is that racist?

Shazzam.....

Flashy, isn't there a middle-age-sales-reps-gawping-at-scantily-clad-sportswomen thread to which you need to attend instead of intruding where you're not wanted?

Barton is no angel, but at least he's honest, passionate and committed.

Do you know what 'honest' means?

CFH +1

Elfin/fred - stop making yourself look like a caaaaahnt!

I beg your Pardew?

Have you truly nothing more intelligent to say than that?

And people wonder why I am contemptuous of those who post unintelligent crap.... 🙄

Do you know what 'honest' means?

Well, I used it in the context of Barton being the kind of person who speaks his mind, and does not in any way hide behind others or his club etc, and tells it as he sees it. I think he's bin very honest indeed about himself recently.

Yes, he blotted his page with some of his antics on Saturday, but he was far from being the worst offender on the pitch.

Why aren't people screaming about the disgusting violent act by Song? Proper out of order. Player deserves at least a 3-game ban* for that.

*Just for Flashy and cruzheckler. 🙂

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Newcastle's Joey Barton has admitted he "was not proud" of his reaction to an altercation with Arsenal striker Gervinho.

Gervinho was dismissed on his Gunners debut for slapping Barton, who was booked for dragging him to his feet.

Barton said on BBC Radio 5 live's 606 programme: "I'm not proud of the way I reacted. I did go down easily.

"I shouldn't have lifted Gervinho up by his shirt and that's not the correct thing to do."

Barton was criticised for his part in the Ivory Coast striker being shown a straight red card by referee Pete Walton.

But the former Manchester City midfielder insists Walton made the right call in not awarding a penalty.

He added: "The stadium was full, the fans have grafted all week to pay to come and see us and I felt Gervinho was seeking to gain an unfair advantage and cheat us out of a point.

"He was already on his way down and I don't think it was a penalty. There was minimal contact but he was looking for it.

"At the end of the season that point could be the difference between Newcastle getting into Europe or not, or staying in the league or not.

"I've been hit harder by people at school but that doesn't make what he did right or wrong.

"The last thing we need as a football club, I need as a player and Arsenal need is for this to drag on. The Football Association and officials are normally bang on and I've no doubt that if there are any further repercussions they will get to the bottom of it."

Why aren't people screaming about the disgusting violent act by Song? Proper out of order. Player deserves at least a 3-game ban* for that.

It's a mark of just how repellent most people find Barton isn't it? This is a man responsible for at least three criminal assaults including two on his own team-mates. He's a serial cheat. A wind-up merchant and has the sort of anger-management issues that would see him barred from most professions.

That doesn't make what Song did in any way right, but it probably explains why most people aren't that concerned about Barton's personal safety.

The thing is Elfin, what other players did isn't of interest - Barton is in the spotlight yet doesn't have the grey matter to realise this and carries on like a spoilt child. Yes, he was on the receiving end but why? Because he can't rein himself in. And in the first match of the season too means every opponent will be pushing him to get him off the pitch.

He is his own worse enemy.

A wind-up merchant and has the sort of [b]anger-management issues[/b] that would see him barred from most professions.

Issues which he has accepted are part of who he is, and is trying to address. Read I think it was Warton's posts earlier, as he seems to have a lot more insight than any of us.

TBH, I think he manages his issues remarkably well. You want to see me on a footy pitch... 😯

Yes, he was on the receiving end but why?

Because players deliberately target him to get a reaction, quite frankly. There was a feature on a Newcastle v Wolves game last season on Footy Focus I think; Barton was getting kicked and fouled left right and centre. He showed remarkable restraint to not retaliate actually.

As someone with a pretty good understanding of anger and violence issues, I think the bloke should be given a break tbh. He's nowhere near as bad as he used to be, and increased intense media focus on him isn't helping matters.

What about Song's disgusting actions then? Why can't we talk about that?

Y'know, the worst incident in the entire game...

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He is his own worse enemy.

I'd say it's people like you who constantly bleat on about him teamed up with managers who urge their players to wind him up in an effort to push him over the edge that are his worst enemies.

D'ya reckon my opinion gets him into the trouble he constantly finds himself in?
Seriously 🙄

No I don't...but you know that's not what I meant. But you're just part of a collective of bleaters that can't shut up about him. The constant focus on him just ratchets up the pressure.

And yet he doesn't learn. In the first match of a new season and just after HIS bleating on Twitter about his treatment by the Newcastle board....

No he clearly struggles doesn't he. And you and the army can't stop yourselves revelling in any setbacks on his road to redemption. Who resurrected this thread anyway?

On an unrelated note, after hearing Mr Barton on 606 on 5Live this evening, I am now 100% convinced he has a team of writers doing his twitter feed. I guess a PR company have been engaged to give the loveable scamp some more cerebral qualities.

Who resurrected this thread anyway?

...and who is continuing it? That's what I want to know. We need answers!

Who resurrected this thread anyway?

An Arsenal fayn. To say this:

Also, he yet again proved his colours. At least now we won't get these bollocks rumours about him coming to Arsenal. Horrible little man.

Nice.

Yet still no word about this:

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Funny that, eh? 🙄

I am now 100% convinced he has a team of writers doing his twitter feed.

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An Arsenal fayn. To say this:

Think it might have been a Leeds fan actually. 🙂