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The Pederson punch was the act of a player that had been constantly wound up for a whole game by a team who knew he was an easy target. The person who should have been ashamed after that incident was that dishonest prick Pederson, going down like he had just taken a twelve-bore after a shove.
and let me try a third time
[b]WHAT WOULD CONVINCE YOU[/b]
Please dont tell me what you think as I can read
PS how does he show intent to change if not be attending these and not commiting offences?
Is arrogance illegal?
Is it illegal to loose your temper?
Actualy lets just see if you can answer one of these question ...lets not push you too hard 😉
lets not push you too hard
In case he goes down like Pederson.
What would convince me - If he stopped acting like an arrogant twerp and stopped losing his temper.
DD -= agree with you about that.
If he stopped acting like an arrogant twerp and stopped losing his temper.
STW would be very quiet if this was made illegal.
Compared to his previous it is some serious progress and it is not illegal.
Barton better than wiltshire, having a laugh aren't you...
Anyway Scott Parker won the PFA paler of the year, he's english!
Gerrard & Lampard both had low key seasons by their own standards, but the level they have performed at over the last decade is a different class to anything Barton is capable of.
Got to love the Geordies, most deluded fans going, only thing Big about Newcastle football club is Mike Ashleys belly
TandemJeremy - Member
Nasty piece of work. Should be in jail
POSTED 12 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST
This. Best post tj ever made
So being arrogant and losing your temper once in 24 months (still waiting for TJ to provide other examples, and examples of the FA banning people for non footballing issues) means you are still violent and should be in prison. Nice.
Its wendyball wgas.
Who's Wendy Ball?
Young guy earning far too much money living life in the fast lane shocker - just like many of the other players. Hopefully he'll learn his lesson and continue to turn his image around, they'll be another young overpaid numbnut to take the limelight soon enough.
^^This^^
He's a decent player though.
Its wendyball wgas.
So even though you knew this was a football thread, and is something you evidentially don't give a shit about, you still felt the need to tell everyone this fact?
Of course, there is no point hating something unless you tell everyone about it! 😀
Someone has to think of the children.
And I didn't know it was about football until I googled Joey Barton..
re: overpaid pleb
If the company you worked for received millions and millions and millions of pounds in sponsorship and media rights, entirely as a result of what you and your colleagues do and how you do it, how much would you expect to be paid?
If a competitor was offering you more money for the same job, would you go?
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Hes going on my fantasy football team starting 11 i reckon.
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Good player in my book
yes, he's been a naughty boy in the past but who hasnt? People have done worse than he.
Would like him in my team....at least he gives 100% every game which cant be said about a lot of players these days
And I didn't know it was about football until I googled Joey Barton..
And you didn't bother to read the [b]BOLD[/b] disclaimer in the OP?
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yes, he's been a naughty boy in the past but who hasnt? People have done worse than he.
Equal maybe, not man cases of worse behaviour that I can think of (Woodgate/Bowyer incident apart).
But the point being, he carries on acting like an idiot - he needs to zip it. What on arth did he think he was achieving by blabbing on Twitter?
****ter*
*Mods - **** can't be that naughty a word - I learnt it as a child watching 70s family comedy.
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Congrats. You and Call Me Dave, have the same sense of humour.
But the point being, he carries on acting like an idiot - he needs to zip it. What on arth did he think he was achieving by blabbing on Twitter?
He probably thought he was drawing attention to the way NUFC is run, and to the fact that he feels harshly treated.
iirc his comments do reflect what Carroll said when he was sold to Liverpool, that he wanted to stay, but the club wanted him out, in Carroll's case there could be some understanding, 35mill was good money. But Nolan as well and now also looking like Enrique, apparently all players who wanted to stay and have done well for the club.
ps. I am not a Newcastle fan
And you didn't bother to read the BOLD disclaimer in the OP?
I googled joey barton from the title before I read the thread. I read your disclaimer hence the wendyball comment, what exactly did you expect? 😆
If it was golf I wouldn't have even opened it..
You and Call Me Dave, have the same sense of humour
A bad sense of humour must be better than none?
yes toys it is hilarious,keep up the good work after all there is almost no end to your areas of ignorance
A bad sense of humour must be better than none?
Well, obviously humour is purely based on the individuals perception, so the idea of a bad sense of humour is always going to be the opinion of the observer of that individual, rather than the observations of the individuals perception of the humour inducing material.
He probably thought he was drawing attention to the way NUFC is run, and to the fact that he feels harshly treated.
iirc his comments do reflect what Carroll said when he was sold to Liverpool, that he wanted to stay, but the club wanted him out, in Carroll's case there could be some understanding, 35mill was good money. But Nolan as well and now also looking like Enrique, apparently all players who wanted to stay and have done well for the club.
Yeah I am sure that is what he was thinking - the point is that he is paid to play football, someone else is paid to run the football club. Why does he not think the money from the Carroll sale went on other players? [b]TO PAY YOURS AND YOUR TEAM MATES INFLATED SALARIES OF COURSE YOU MORON[/b]. Of course the Chairman says the money will go on other players immediately after the sale - they have to say that to try to appease the fans. What is happening at Newcastle isn't a recent thing, clubs the country over sell players to pay off debts.
naff off JY you miserable mary, I'm just having a bit of banter.
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sorry I forgot the rulz your banter is funny and any other "banter" is just picking on you and not funny...it is another of your many endearing traits 😉 there added one this time so you know it is banter.
Personally I try to ignore banter because I can never tell if it is meant as banter or if the poster is just being a prick.
Junkyard - Membersorry I forgot the rulz your banter is funny and any other "banter" is just picking on you and not funny...it is another of your many endearing traits there added one this time so you know it is banter.
Ahh nice love you too. X
mastiles_fanylion - MemberPersonally I try to ignore banter because I can never tell if it is meant as banter or if the poster is just being a prick.
Hmm MF you responded to me, and with a smiley so I thought we were just having some fun.. IF you are insinuating that I'm a prick and want me to go away please do say so and I'll exit.
Hmm MF you responded to me, and with a smiley so I thought we were just having some fun.. IF you are insinuating that I'm a prick and want me to go away please do say so and I'll exit.
It wasn't meant as a personal attack and I am sleep deprived this morning. To be fair if I went to the toilet now I wouldn't know which end to wipe. (But looking back, no it wasn't directed at you).
I'm making (another) coffee...
I'm still in bed if that makes you feel any better..
Yeah, loads.
What are you wearing?
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Just a winning smile judging by his webcam..........
duckman, click on the quilt cam and you will see lederhosen. and a daffodil.
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Not withstanding the fact that Spurs are always linked to every Tom, Dick or Carlos Kickaballs.
Saw Barton against Newcastle last year and he was woeful, has the air of player who not as good as he thinks he is.
I will be disgusted if he comes to the lane, especially if we are off loading Kranjar… who has more talent in his little left toe and that clown.
why are all you people justifying his actions? got a bit of money? life in the fast lane!
He is a nasty piece of work regardless... stubbing cigar's out in peoples faces? beating up team mates (Dabo).. he is simply scum, no excuses
why are all you people justifying his actions?
I don't think anyone is, they are saying these things happened in the past and he appears to have largely turned himself around.
Some people do however seem to be saying that justice should involve destroying someone's life for ever, even some who would normally argue for rehabilitation in justice.
Others also seem to be saying he isn't allowed to voice an opinion on matters that effect his life.
Others also seem to be saying he isn't allowed to voice an opinion on matters that effect his life.
It is effecting his life [b]BECAUSE[/b] he is voicing his opinions in the manner he is 🙄
It is effecting his life BECAUSE he is voicing his opinions in the manner he is
It seems that his disagreement with the club has been going on for longer than he has been tweeting about it, so can't really be called the cause of the problem. And again the clubs similar treatment of other players does seem to indicate that the club are the more likely instigator of the problems.
i am talking about recent punishments, not the background stuff...
Why would anyone want to discuss Joey Barton? He is in my opinion low-life scum who is paid far too much money for the violence that he inflicts upon the public and fellow professionals.
I'd much rather discuss something like.....Kittens
Why would anyone want to discuss Joey Barton?
and yet
He is in my opnion low-life scum who is paid far too much money for the violence that he inflicts upon the public and fellow professionals.
As a city fan, he’s a good player and would improve most teams in the EPL.
Of the pitch he is a nightmare and while he has served his time etc the way he has conducted himself will have cost him millions over his carer.
MSP - I did moderate my initial remarks.
However he has had an awful lot of chances given to him and no one in power in football has shown any significant disapproval and IMO that gives a message that his violence is acceptable.
MSP - I thought that somebody might try to make that point although I would say that my point was not one for discussion, more rhetorical or a statement of opinion/fact.
Certainly not a topic of conversation.
Therefore, fail 😀
HTH
fortunately Barton thinks he is champions league standard, so Sam Allardyce wont be able to reunite him with Nolan.
good thing, I wouldnt shed a tear if he was run over by a bus today, in front of me, causing me to be delayed getting to the chippy and resulting in a lack of large haddock.
I love TJs style of discussion. when he is asked to qualify his statements with facts he just ignores that area and starts another line of nonsense, its brilliant.
I'll ask again, show me any other example of him 'losing his temper' in the last 2 years, and show me examples of the FA punishing footballers for non footballing related incidents. I'm not holding my breath.
To be fair to TJ, MF and thered, have also claimed that they actually meant something different to what they actually wrote.
Warton - there is plenty of incidents of him losing his temper if you want to google it. However you will defend him to the hilt no matter what. Diving in on tackles when the red mist descends, arguing with referres.
AS for the punishing them for non football related incidents - "bringing the game in disrepute" It is perfectly possible for the FA to suspend a player for incidents off the pitch.
TJ, examples of both please, this is the fourth time i've asked. I've googled 'Joey Barton Loses temper' and can find NO other incidents over the last two years. do you have a different version of google?
Diving in on tackles when the red mist descends, arguing with referres.
Unfortunatly a part of the game that isn't dealt with across the board. Look at someone like scholes, its almost laughed at when he goes in studs flying, "oh its scholsy again mistiming a tackle".
oh its scholsy again mistiming a tackle
But he can't tackle so it is true.
Barton goes in with intent.
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I love TJs style of discussion. when he is asked to qualify his statements with facts he just ignores that area and starts another line of nonsense, its brilliant.
When you reach the top of your game, he'll block you completely with killfile, thus ignoring you completely. This I see as being a compliment of the highest order. Isn't that right Tandem?
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arguing with referres.
Is that actually a serious comment. He argues with referees? [slaps forehead]
But he can't tackle so it is true.Barton goes in with intent.
Well scholes has never gone into a tackle with the intent of winning the ball, I take it that's what you mean 😯
He loses his temper - yes thats right your reformed little lamb lost his temper. Ok so he didn't attempt to kill him. I suppose thats some progress.
Newcastle manager Alan Pardew has defended Joey Barton after the midfielder [b]furiously argued[/b] with referee Stuart Attwell during his side's 1-0 defeat to Aston Villa
To say he no longer loses his temper is simply wrong - even he does not say that in his interviews. He says he is trying to control his temper.
Is there anything the man [i]won't[/i] argue about? 😕
TJ, go for a ride.
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It's true though; the behaviour of some ManYoo players over the years hazzunt had nearly the condemnation that someone like Barton gets, yet is just as bad.
I suspect had Barton played for ManYoo that he woon't have received anywhere near the vitriol that he has, and instead be hailed as a 'troubled genius' or something. But take Wayne Rooney for just one example; a gifted player no question, but he's no angel, is he??
Like Ferdinand attacking Balotelli after the FA semi final, yet it was apparently "bad boy Ballotelli" up to his tricks again in the media.
Barton's problem though isn't just bad tackles and the odd fight on the pitch/training ground, it's his whole life that gas been littered with indiscretions in the past.
That, and he cries on Twitter like a baby.
Have you actually read his twitter page or just going off hearsay?
I am just having my first look at it, actually seems OK (for a violent braindead football thug).
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I have read his whinging as reported on the BBC site but not directly on Twitter. I am merely pointing out that using Twitter isn't the best way of making your opinion known to your employer and then using the same platform to then complain about the punishment...
Come on people, he's no Marlon King, is he?
and as I said before TJ, where is the offence in losing your temper? your original comment was "he should be in Jail" I'm, still at a loss to understand why he should be in Jail, because he argued with a referee?
Like Ferdinand attacking Balotelli after the FA semi final, yet it was apparently "bad boy Ballotelli" up to his tricks again in the media.
Pre-cisely. The ManYoo players are just as bad if not worse than most other teams, for winding up other players, diving, arguing with refs, bad tackles, arsey moaning git of a manager continually bringing the game into disrepute etc, but cos they are the best team in't league (there I've said it), they seem to get away with it an awful lot more than others...
Roy Keane [i]deliberately[/i] injured another player and effectively ended his career, thus affecting that player's ability to earn such high wages. One of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in football. Yet Keane gets lauded as a legend and enjoys a lot of respect within football. What he did was far, far worse than what Barton has ever done on a pitch.
Go figure...
mastiles_fanylion - MemberI have read his whinging as reported on the BBC site but not directly on Twitter. I am merely pointing out that using Twitter isn't the best way of making your opinion known to your employer and then using the same platform to then complain about the punishment...
Ahhh, so in the off season, when football journalists are desperately trying to create rumours and stories out of nothing, because there is no actual football to report on, and they desperately need to justify their existence. They lazily report snippets from twitter as being news worthy, and that's what your basing you opinion on.
Ahhh, so in the off season, when football journalists are desperately trying to create rumours and stories out of nothing, because there is no actual football to report on, and they desperately need to justify their existence. They lazily report snippets from twitter as being news worthy, and that's what your basing you opinion on.
Nailed it.
Well I am basing my opinion on what he said. The fact it was reported by journalists is irrelevant.
Actually you are basing your opinion on a subset of what he said, presented to you by journalists trying to create an angle on a story.
Really MSP, whatever. I can't actually be arsed anymore.
he has had an awful lot [ THIS IS TWO IS IT?] of chances given to him and no one in power in football has shown any significant disapproval and IMO that gives a message that his violence is acceptable.
On 1 July 2008 he was also given a four months suspended sentence after admitting assault occasioning actual bodily harm on former teammate Ousmane Dabo during a training ground dispute, on 1 May 2007.[7] This incident effectively ended his Manchester City career.[8] Three days after his release, he was charged with violent conduct by The FA for the assault on Dabo.[9]
Diving in on tackles when the red mist descends, arguing with referres.
Well I think we can all agree that this separates him from the majority of football players
To say he no longer loses his temper is simply wrong - even he does not say that in his interviews. He says he is trying to control his temper.
I am doing that in this thread with you ..FFS we all get angry sometimes and we all try to control this sometimes - Why is this a bad thing and how does it differentiate him from everyone but you and Ghandi?
You are correct over some incidents but given you literally find it impossible to criticiise a Liverpool player for any offence I find that rather amusing that you chose Man Uthe behaviour of some ManYoo players over the years hazzunt had nearly the condemnation that someone like Barton gets, yet is just as bad.
Roy Keane deliberately injured another player and effectively ended his career, thus affecting that player's ability to earn such high wages.
True now perhaps you would like to comment on the sportsmanship of Souness ?
Junkyard - its far more than two instances of violent behaviour. Just two times prosecuted.
Warton kept insisting he was reformed character and no longer lost his temper. I said this simply was not true. The fact that others do as well does not alter the fact he does still - and to a greater extent than many. Even he does not claim to no longer lose his temper.
During this debate I read an interview with him where he still was unable to accept the was wrong to beat up his team mate on a training ground. He thinks his actions were justifiable
.In court it was acknowledged that Dabo had surged towards Barton and shoved him first. Just as it was recognised that, while Barton emerged from the violent altercation unscathed, Dabo suffered severe facial injuries.He says: 'In my eyes he was the aggressor. He was the one who turned and came towards me and I was just fortunate in that I was able to defend myself better than he was.
'And where I'm from, if you throw one punch you're in for a penny, in for a pound. I can't just come up to you and throw one punch and then say, "Hang on a minute" when you punch me back. Which was the way Ousmane wanted it. [b]I knew when he was coming towards me he wasn't coming to tickle me. We've obviously had words and I wasn't prepared to take the chance and I defended myself.[/b] In my opinion he was the aggressor. Ousmane is not an aggressive lad, but he was the aggressor that day and it's a deep regret of mine that I didn't stick with the "not guilty" plea.'
He admits to 'going overboard' in the way he defended himself, says it's the way he was built, the way he was raised and something he now has to deconstruct. 'It's a work in progress,' he says
Now that is not the statement of a changed man.
He may be working on his demons, however it is clear they still dog him.
Warton - I have moderated my position from my first post as yuo can see if yo bother to read what I said
Junkyard - its far more than two instances of violent behaviour. Just two times prosecuted.
whilst I would just love to debate how bad he was in the past , no one is diputing this. We are debating whether he has reformed or whether he has not , or whether he should be sacked for his past acts [ you may have changed from that now for all I know]
a nice quote there TJ but ignoring this
He had 73 nights to go in what the cons still call Strangeways but he made a promise. No more drinking. No more fighting. No more pain for those closest to him to endure.
No more giving people reasons to rank him, in his words, alongside 'the anti-Christ, Chairman Mao and Hitler'.It is a promise, he admits with chilling sincerity, that he could yet struggle to keep. He cannot promise he will not commit violent crime again. He cannot be certain that the changes he has made to his life, even the horrors of prison, will enable him to conquer his demons.
But he hopes they do. He really does hope they do.
this
But it made me get my priorities right. You could have told me until you were blue in the face that I was on a road to destruction and the penny would not have dropped. Until, that is, I went to jail. I never thought I'd be there. I thought, "I'm too high profile, I've only had a fight, I haven't killed anyone". And then I remember sitting there, thinking "******* hell, I'm in jail.'
this
Pete [ Sporting chance clinic bod who helps him with anger management] used to say if I give people a rose, they only see the thorns. That's how it is going to be with me.
'I have been face down in the s**t, at the lowest ebb I can get to, the flag as low on the mast as it can go and I am fighting now to get it back up.
'Not by bending over backwards and trying to be the nicest guy in the world. People would say, "He's phoney". I will just try and be a better person. I already think I've come on leaps and bounds.
'I could have pissed my career up the wall. I remember sitting in the holding cell waiting to go into court and there is all this graffiti on the walls. I'm just reading it when I see this message left by someone. "I don't know why you are here, what you are here for but someone wants you to learn a lesson. Don't be a fool and don't put yourself in a position where you have to read this again to learn". It was like someone had put something in my way. Like a light had come on.'
A light that stayed on even when that prison cell door slammed shut.
He is also teetotal now due to AA involvement.
I am not sure what you want he has anger issues everyone knows this he is trying to adress them and he has had some major success in this - no arrests, no fights, no drinking but Yes still has a temper he fights to control.
I really think we should condemn him for his previous acts but praise him for his attempts to reform which seem to be , overall , quite successful.
I am quite surprised you dont want to give him another chance and rehabilitate him but will instead just bleat on about how he once lost his temper in 24 months - everyone has and so have many. many footballers. The fact the daily Mail was used to illuminate your view only adds to the rather odd scenario here. You not preaching reformation, rehabilitation and forgiveness and using the mail to defend your view with some selective quoting you could not make this up.