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[b]*If you don't like 'wendyball' (that never fails to amuse me that one), don't respond by telling me you don't or that you have never heard of him or whatever.[/b]
So - raging idiot or just misunderstood?
I thought he'd started to sort himself out and was playing quite well for Newcastle last season - I've heard what's been going on the last few days but what's sparked it all off?
Nasty piece of work. Should be in jail
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No grey areas for TJ...as ever.
scum, brings shame on us scousers
Thats a bit harsh TJ!
Whats the poor old bloke ever done to you
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Someone once described wendyball as 22 thugs and rapists chasing an inflated bladder round a field. Mr Barton would seem to fit right in.
Should be in jail
What for this time?
Hasn't he been punished for previous offences already?
I think the guy is an example of what's wrong with football, too much money, too much free time and no ability to manage himself.
scum, brings shame on us scousers
how would that work then? 😕 😉
Raindog, you'll get no where in life quoting d1ckhe4ds 🙄
DD - how many folk has he beaten up now? He even assaults his own teammates.
I forgot - he did do some time - didn't seem to help him tho did it?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7409943.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/11/joey-barton-roll-of-dishonour
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Added some much needed steel to NU last season. His previous behaviour has been fairly appalling, I thought he'd sorted that out and been on the up for a while.
Who knows? Be a good signing for one of the sides coming up.
overpaid potential date rapist and hair product aficionado tweets the noises in the vacuum that's standing in for a brain and figures out that it was not just him that was able to read them ='s stuffed career - give a moron too much money and access to a computer and sit back and watch a career destroyed in no-time.
And I don't mind wendyball, i just can't stand the idiots that play it. If I remember rightly, they were the people you went to school with who were bullies and didn't apply themselves other than running round some grass and end up being paid more than nurses and servicemen 🙄
fell out after contract negotiations stopped, they didn't want him really, no chance of sale so freebie to avoid wages.
Shame he was playing well but some of the new boys were meant to be better so not assured of 1st team place every week.
Say what you will he showed a hell of a lot of passion and drive for us and played out of his skin to get some of the best results we had.
I forgot - he did do some time - didn't seem to help him tho did it?
So you want to jail him for not learning a lesson, the voice of tolerance has spoken.
He may be a thug but he's thug that quotes Orwell apparently. Not sure if that really changes my view on him though.
TJ, as ever you talk about a subject without knowing the full facts.
FACT: Barton was sent to Prison for assault, and released after he had served his time, so your statement "he should be in jail" is incorrect
FACT: Since serving his time Barton has become tea total, attends regular anger management classes and has started to work with young people who suffer with alcohol and drug addictions (I know this as I am friends with one of his first counselors, who he is still in touch with)
FACT: Since serving his time in Prison he has not re-offended, so your statement "I forgot - he did do some time - didn't seem to help him tho did it?" is also totally incorrect.
Well Done!
PS, barton was a revelation last season, back to his best. unfortunately the board at Newcastle seem to be totally incompetent, and it looks like Barton, and others have become sick of it. I think the tweets from Barton were meant to do one thing, get him out the club, and it's worked.
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/8673650/Joey-Barton-hits-out-at-Newcastle-Uniteds-board-in-Twitter-tirade.html ]This article[/url] makes him look a bit like a scapegoat. The proof of the pudding etc, means that now the disruptive influence has gone, peace, harmony and winning games will be back on the agenda.
The proof of the pudding etc, means that now the disruptive influence has gone, peace, harmony and winning games will be back on the agenda
If that ever happens in Newcastle we shall celebrate with a fly past of Pigs
(a fan too but a realist) bring back Keegan and Terry Mac (again)
I think he is a tool.
He played well last season, I'll give him that.
There was some talk that Ferguson was interested in him, and even as an egg chaser I was aware he had sorted himself out. ( Barton, that is)
Only positive thing i can say about him is at least he is not the worst in his family
As a Manchester City fan I guess I am as well qualified as anyone to have an opinion on Joey Barton.
When he first broke into the team the fans loved him for his commitment which was something that was sorely lacking from the team at the time. At City (as I guess at most clubs) home-grown players seem to get a tremendous amount of backing and good will from the fans.
Joey did seem to have an inflated opinion of his talent though and we probably suffered when he hogged all the set pieces. Overall though he was probably the first name on the team sheet for most fans so it was very disappointing when there seemed to be a never ending series of incidents including assaulting a teenage Everton fan, stubbing a cigar out in a youth team players eye and culminating with the attack on an Italian player called Dabo at the training ground.
By this time most fans were sick of making excuses for him and glad when he left for the barcodes. He certainly has the talent to play in the top flight but he seems to want to be top dog wherever he is.
A waste of talent really in a similar manner to his youth team near contemporary Stephen Ireland. If these two had different attitudes then they probably could still be in the squad at City despite the fantasy football shenanigans that has taken over recently.
Warton - he is still getting involved in stomashes is he not? Sent off for punching last season was he not?
I was actually referring to his latest outbursts on Twitter etc - complaining about his club (who took a flyer on him anyway) then going back over it after he was punished. Now his agent claims Manyuu and the Arse are after him - I would be very surprised to see Ferguson take him on.
He's making Leebowyeeer! look a model professional at the moment.
Zulu, class post made me chuckle
Axed by Newcastle, must run in the family.
Wendy who?
a lot of passion and drive for US and played out of his skin to get some of the best results WE had.
As an integral part of the organisation you obviously both work for do you have any insights (because someone who has no association other than turning up to watch a game would'nt refer to it as "my" team would they....that would be very odd). 😉
Spanish fly, zulu.
Thats JOEY DEACON. A far better human than Barton.
****ts.
he is still getting involved in stomashes is he not? Sent off for punching last season was he not?
Nope, didn't get sent off. those pesky facts again TJ.
yes he 'punched' him in the chest, hardly touched him. as someone who has played to a fairly high standard stuff like that happens literally 20 times a game, means nothing.
timc - MemberRaindog, you'll get no where in life quoting d1ckhe4ds
I guess you're right 😆
typifies the fantastic game that is football. 😀
*Makes a note of thread for when TJ next gets on his high horse about rehabilitation, compassion, understanding and giving a guy a second chance*
typifies the fantastic game that is football.
Sure does. Thank god all the bad men are only in football!
...at least it makes it easier for us to keep an eye on the deviant bastards.
I think he has pretty much sorted himself out, his past brings him greater scrutiny than other players, lets face it Keane and Scholes committed far worse atrocities on the football field and are revered by many.
Its only his past that makes anyone believe this isn't just another act of madness by Ashley.
jamie..............as in working class lad getting far too much money for playing a game.
jamie..............as in working class lad getting far too much money for playing a game.
Good ol' ton. Noone can simplify things like you can. It's a gift. Nurture it.
jamie..............as in working class lad getting far too much money for playing a game.
Ah, I see. Apologies. I was taking your comment in the context of the actual thread and the words you used, as opposed to the ones you didn't.
Joey Barton - discuss-ting
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As a Newcastle fan - I think he is brilliant. Served his time for wrong doings, he learned his lesson and turned himself around.
Best English midfielder last season - prove me wrong on this one.... Forget your Stevie G, Lampard etc etc. No England place for one reason alone, his face didnt fit. Hardly a shining example to other offenders that you can change things around and achieve success.
This latest saga though is mad - agreed terms verbally in Jan, then he got upset over Carroll leaving so pulled back and said he would wait and see what happened after season. Claimed he wanted to concentrate on performing through till end of season. Then end of season they announce they wont offer him any contract at all.
I understand his frustration - every fan wants to know where the investment of the 35M is - at the moment we are up 500k this summer, inc bringing the new lads in, who are unproven btw.
Now he finds himself unwanted, they didnt make him captain yet every fan wanted him captain for his passion alone. Then they take all his on on field responsibilities away (apparently) although he now says that this arguing thing is rubbish and to be honest I would trust him more than I would trust our board.
There are lots of questions us fans need answered.
Where is the squad investment, why are we using carroll money to pay new players wages over there 5yr contracts when we have ditched campbell/kuci/routledge/nolan - so they are savings made. We use Carroll money for training ground improvements but it turns out we have received funding from Olympic fund for under soil heating at Benton and improving St James dugouts.
What has happened to tv money, gate reciepts, surely if we hadnt sold caroll we would have still needed players.
Rant over! GRRRRRRRRRRR
But do you think the way he has conducted himself (regarding his Twittering) was a good thing? Bringing other players into the argument, wailing like a kid?
If it ousts the behind the scenes actions of the Newcastle board, then yes.
yes he 'punched' him in the chest, hardly touched him. as someone who has played to a fairly high standard stuff like that happens literally 20 times a game, means nothing
Barton does seem to have bucked his ideas up, and last season was arguably one of his best. I remember one game where he was kicked from pillar to post and admirably didn't rise to the bait (vs Wolves I think?), but you can't gloss over the facts he punched Pedersen.
Now we may disagree but I watch a lot of footy, used to play a bit too, and IMO this doesn't happen 20 times a game.
He won't be without a club for long, someone will always turn a blind eye and give him yet another 2nd chance if they feel he can do job, and when he actually plays football he ain't bad. Arsenal, Spurs, Celtic seem to be leading the betting at the moment. Just imagine him in an old firm game! 😯
But do you think it will and do you think he's justified in not only giving his opinion, but suggesting it is the same with team mates? And doing it via social media rather than speaking to his employers?
Then crying when he is punished too - the tone of his posts is stunningly infantile.
He is acting like a spoilt child IMO
Punched Pederson? 😆 I suppose he also broke into his house and stole his telly?
I think whoever he will play in future, he will always be trouble, a leopard will never change it spots.
Best English midfielder last season - prove me wrong on this one....
Jack Wilshere.
Next?
Wilshere? Just clumsy on the pitch.
You are kidding me right?
We're talking about a 19 year old who outplayed Xavi, Iniesta and Fabregas earlier this year right?
Footballers are well paid mercenaries at the end of the day and club loyalty is a dying breed these days. And with so many foreign players in our Premiership they won't give a toss really what happens to the clubs as long as they're getting their £35,000-£150,000 a week! They want the fans believe they're behind their current club but I'd hazard a guess a high percentage are saying this so future employers will think "he's showing some faith" and they'll buy him thinking he'll be faithful when in reality the only thing they're faithful to is their paycheck!
Barton did play well last season but when all the players are fit, he would never get in the England team as he just isn't good enough - he thinks he is - but he isn't. You can defend him all you like, tell me he's a changed man blah blah blah but if so why did he park his £170,000 Aston Martin on the grass right outside the court he was appearing in stating he did because he couldn't find a place to park - yeah, that's the sign of a changed man - cock more like.
Wilshere - a handful of good games, arrogant little prick too, possibly even more than Barton. Maybe next season he will get the title but last season was Bartons.
hated the early Barton but he seems to have reinvented himself and removed most of his demons. Surely this is admirable if a little late.
Ok at football and a good season last year.
yeah, that's the sign of a changed man
yes a parking infringement is certainly comparable to an assault in legal terms and morally. I retract what i said.
I'm on a phone. Can anyone find the last thread about the Pederson incident? Forum search is not helping.
Wilshere - a handful of good games, arrogant little prick too, possibly even more than Barton. Maybe next season he will get the title but last season was Bartons.
Arrogant prick? Based on what?
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Hardly an angel himself. Hasnt there been a few of these stories about him.
We're talking about a 19 year old who outplayed Xavi, Iniesta and Fabregas earlier this year right?
In your dreams mate. In your dreams...
But yeah, better than Barton. Sorry carbon337.
Joey does seem to have managed to calm himself down a bit, and TJ; I think you're well wrong on this one. He was an absolute (rude word), but the bloke's admitted he's got problems and is trying to make amends. I don't think he's quite the out of control thug he used to be, although he's still got issues. His record is a lot worse than almost anyone else in footy though, so he's got a huge mountain to climb to win back respect.
He'd be a good signing for Arsenal. A player who actually has some balls, unlike most of their squad who give up at the slightest challenge....
He'd be a good signing for Arsenal. A player who actually has some balls, unlike most of their squad who give up at the slightest challenge....
Ain't that the truth. All last season pundits kept parping on about Arsenil's "beautiful" football. Style is nothing if you've not got the balls to keep it going when you are under the cosh. Young squad? Young, immature children.
Elf - I am far more cynical that you
I bleieve he is saying he recognises the issues and is paying lip service to doing something about it. I don't think he has any serious intent at all - he is still the same arrogant bad tempered person he always has been.
Maybe I am wrong but to me it shows rank hypocrisy allowing this thug anyway near the professional game.
He should have been kicked out of the game years ago.
He would have fitted in well with the Dirty Leeds team of the seventies! 😉
FFS he should be banned from working because of crimes*- does this apply for all crims ,is this just for Barton or just for football? Is it the vulnerable adult thing of his employment?
You think he is pretending...thankfully he has also managed to not commit anymore crimes during his pretence...it is not like he has found religion for early parole.
Seriously what more would you want him to do to convince you?
*lets ban them from work and pay beneits for life - would be a tad unhelpful in rehabilitation
Every so often TeeJ surprises me. His last post did just that.
Elf - I am far more cynical that you
I bleieve he is saying he recognises the issues and is paying lip service to doing something about it. I don't think he has any serious intent at all - he is still the same arrogant bad tempered person he always has been.
So even though I give you hard evidence to the contrary of this, from someone who personally knows him and speaks to him weekly you prefer to base your opinion on nothing of any substance at all. Maybe, for once in your life take something onboard from someone who knows better than you?
Nasty piece of work. +1 for suitability to classic filthy Leeds squad. Leopard. Spots.
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Junkyard - I would have banned him after his jailtime for thuggery. I am astounded any manager will employ him quite honestly. He certainly should have been suspended from the game for a period of time if not an outright ban
Cantona got a 4 month suspension for a much lessor offence
Other people in other sports get suspended or banned for lessor offences.
I bleieve he is saying he recognises the issues and is paying lip service to doing something about it. I don't think he has any serious intent at all - he is still the same arrogant bad tempered person he always has been.
That's your onion and you're entitled to it, but you don't seem to display much empathy with a person who clearly suffers with anger issues. Personally, I don't think Joey is evil, but he has failed in the past to control his rage, which has caused a lot of damage. I don't think he really wants to be the person he has bin, as it's damaged his career considerably. It's something he'll constantly struggle with throughout his life, made especially difficult by the combative nature of the sport.
We none of us really know what the bloke goes through, or indeed anything about the treatment he has pursued to try to help him deal with his problems. He's a flawed human being, and like anyone, deserves a break now and then, if he can show sufficient repentance.
Or we can just condemn him as a thug and have done with it. Another troubled soul on the scrapheap.
Warton - thats my opinion from how he behaves. He continues to lose his temper easily and regularly and behave in a very arrogant manner.
Waht you say is hardly hard evidence.
a part of my point is that if he had been dealt with by the football authorities more strictly in the past he might have not got to the point he did and that they authorities are setting an example that thuggery is acceptable.
I think a ban of a year or two after the jailtime would have been right.
As I I have said twice - I could be wrong - maybe he is a reformed charectar but it does not appear so to me.
TJ. Cantona's offence happened on the pitch. Bartons didn't. Quite simple. The FA can't ban people for non football related incidents. Those pesky facts again.
He's quite clearly not hard enough to be considered alongside any of the Leeds players of the 70's. I mean, really, Pederson punch? I've flicked bogies harder
Warton - thats my opinion from how he behaves. He continues to lose his temper easily and regularly and behave in a very arrogant manner.
When was the last time he lost his temper? Once in about 24 months? Again, check facts before you talk about something you quite simply don't know anything about. Is it an offence to lose your temper?
Of course they can Warton.
Wharton - a quick google shows many occurrences in the last year or two of him losing his temper.
Can they? Examples please? And I take it you've never lost your temper?
Teej; must say, I am surprised at your lack of compassion and empathy here. I was in the 'ban the thug for life' camp until very recently, but after reading more about Barton's anger issues, I've tried to understand what the guy is all about, and changed my onion of him.
I think the bloke deserves a fair go. He's not going to be helped by so many negative attitudes and deliberate attempts to wind him up all the time.
Joey Barton is the Elfinsafety of the footballing world. Bin a bad boy, but reformed somewhat yet still gets unfair treatment based on his past....
I would have banned him after his jailtime for thuggery. I am astounded any manager will employ him quite honestly.
you watch a lot of football dont you
As I I have said twice - I could be wrong - maybe he is a reformed charectar but it does not appear so to me.
so apart from attending anger management, counselling, counselling/mentoring others and not committing any more offence you want what exactly to convince you? Noble peace prize? Ordained into ministry.
Waht you say is hardly hard evidence.
You are correct those facts are not indeed hard evidence when compared to your [ might be wrong by your own admission]opinion of him.
Take the edinburgh defence
Elf _ I take your point. As I said perhaps a temp ban after the jail time.
As it is it is sending out an message that violence is acceptable and that I think is wrong.
If he hadn't been indulged so much when he was younger perhaps he wouldn't have come to this.
its not a one off incident - its a series of serious incidents over many years
Junkyard - anyone can attend those things - its the intent to change that needs to be there and I doubt. He still loses his temper on the field and behaves very arrogantly off it.