[Closed] Jazz

Yes.

But if you don't get it, don't worry about it.

Yes, Miles Davis brilliant. John Coltrane less so.

Nice.

There's so much good new jazz around at the moment - look at the Gondwana record stuff and GoGo Penguin :

Yes. What did you try? It's quite a broad genre really.

Jazz for me is like cheese and wine.

It's what other people do.

I'm NOT (edit!)a big jazz fan, I quite enjoy "Jazz at the Pawnshop". An interesting bit of music and the recording is excellent. This is one of the tracks.

Liking that GoGo Penguin.

Yes but as above it is a very wide genre.
However you can sample quite a wide variety of it simply by working your way through Miles Davis' back catalogue.
For more mellow stuff, try Esbjörn Svensson Trio or Pat Metheny (although not all of it; Zero Tolerance For Silence is hard work).
Oh and John Zorn produces some very interesting stuff. He's rather prolific and sometimes not that accessible, but his film based albums such as Big Gundown are tremendous.
And Go Go Penguin are indeed ace.

I quite like the jazzy stuff that Gilles Peterson plays, also Acid Jazz, some good playlists on Spotify. Chill Acid Jazz Marc is a good playlist. And try Rafa Gas.

Prince, Jimi Hendrix and Frank Zappa were all on the Jazz fringe.

I might get carried away...

Have a listen to A Go Go by John Scofield, very funky and stunning guitar that isn't a load of noodly fret****

bump

Jazz? Yes please.

Great bump Harry the spider. The chat forum topics now go from jazz to mags. Jazz mags anyone.

Bumpy

Saw these guys a few years ago, and the audience was smaller than the band for much of the gig!

Or completely different:

Charles Mingus - Blues and Roots

A niiice place to start:

Or how about?

I remember being in Tower Records jazz section and they played this, and the whole room went silent listeningto it :

From the same album :

It's world suicide day today so maybe don't listen to some of the Art Pepper just in case...

I first heard this at jazz/blues (or was it blues/jazz?) festival on the Isle of Lucy:

Good look, great drummer.

It's world suicide day today

Correction. It's world suicide prevention day.

Don't get them mixed up.

Saw Jimmy Smith live in London, unfortunately he had just broken his arm so had to have a bass guitarist next to him playing all the low notes 🙁

fat albert rotunda by Herbie Hancock jazz funk goodness.

I remember watching the Beiderbecke tapes and the Barbera Flynn character gave a very concise description of the different types which I always remember when listening to jazz. When asked what she new about jazz she said" there's Hot Jazz, Cool Jazz and waiting for the tune to start Jazz"

I like Hot Jazz

Arguably the most easy to access and basically essential Jazz Album of all time is Kind of Blue by Miles Davis. If you don't like it then you're probably right Jazz isn't your bag as almost every Jazz fan owns a copy.

Grew up with it - my Dad was a fan. Spent teens in pubs listening to local gigging bands. Listen to lots of other stuff now but always go back to it from time to time. It's a very broad category - can't imagine anyone not liking ANY jazz though of course not everything will hit the spot.

Really can't say I like jazz, a bunch of great musicians playing great tunes, except none are playing the same tune...
However, there's some jazz-influenced music I love, like Steely Dan/Donald Fagen, and Zappa.
It's surprising how much British prog has jazz influences, like King Crimson, Soft Machine, Gentle Giant, and particularly Greenslade, who I've just downloaded after not playing any of their stuff for well over twenty years: I'd forgotten just how much jazz is in their music.

Jazz?

Yeah, baby. 8)

Charles Mingus 'Oh Yeah'

Blackflower

It's a broad church jazz

Andrew Ashong

I don't even like jazz when it has rapping over it.
Those 2 new fellas (one died recently) that were being pushed by record labels that I usually like - Thundercat and Austin Peralta.. didn't get it at all.

https://www.mixcloud.com/adamkvasnica3/swedish-jazz/

this is a great mix.

I always need someone to lead me through the millions of artists out there.
First it was Mike Chadwick at Decoy Records in Manchester.
Then it was Mike Chadwick at Jazz FM
Now it's Mike Chadwick at Band on the Wall and on http://www.soulandjazz.com/category/new-arrivals/10th-september-2016-eju-newarrivals/ 🙂

All his shows are available to listen to on that link. Absolutely incredible music.

See also Gilles Peterson.

Some nicely accessible favs of mine:

Jeez "jazz" as a catch all term is Blx is like lumping in all that we do as "cycling".

Thundercat and Austin Peralta.. didn't get it at all.

what a shame - the Austin Peralta in particular is fantastic.

Maybe you need a better hifi/headphones (clutching at straws...)

What's your normal taste ?

Conversly I detest/dislike Queen (BR grudgingly accepted), David Bowie, Beatles, Marc Almond, Pet Shop Boys, Smiths, etc

[i]What's your normal taste ?[/i]

Music 🙂

My library is split into genres - ambient, dance, drum n bass, dub&reggae, dubstep, electro, indie, leftfield, pop, punk, rap/hip hop, rock, compilations
No jazz 😆

Jazz/reggae/dub

Arguably the most easy to access and basically essential Jazz Album of all time is Kind of Blue by Miles Davis

But Hendrix? I can't see the jazz connection there, I've got him firmly in the blues category.

[b]TurnerGuy[/b]
There's so much good new jazz around at the moment - look at the Gondwana record stuff and GoGo Penguin

Thank you sooo much. I'm having a listen of their v2.0 album and it's fantastic. Currently streaming from online at work, ordered their album looking forward to hearing it at home through a proper hi fi.

Is there a venue in London which regularly has bands that play this kind of Jazz? Would love to listen to this sort of music live.

Badbadnotgood - they're jazz and I like some of their collaborations. Solo stuff not so much.

My library is split into genres - ambient, dance, drum n bass, dub&reggae, dubstep, electro, indie, leftfield, pop, punk, rap/hip hop, rock, compilations

can never figure out how someone can be into so varied a set of music.

For instance, from your list, I couldn't cope with indie, pop, rock (depends on definition, might be able to cope with some if influenced right).

I like soul and r&b, drifted more into jazz and blues as there is linkage, but indie, punk and rock have a distinct lack of anything soulful, and often much musical talent (punk...).

Oh.

Is there a venue in London which regularly has bands that play this kind of Jazz? Would love to listen to this sort of music live.

just search for "london jazz venues" in google.

But follow GoGo Penguin on their facebook page for a start.

Or look at Gondwana records website for gigs :

http://www.gondwanarecords.com/

And listen to Giles Peterson, on radio 6 for his show on Saturdays at 3pm.

KoKo often has interesting stuff but the sound system is pretty sh1t to my ears, and they run it way too loud, so get some of these :

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ACS-ACS-ER20-Hearing-Protectors/dp/B004SBSOKK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473685055&sr=8-1&keywords=acs+ear+protector

Also check out Floating Points :

Having a bit of a chortle at the thought of dismissing an entire wing of modern music based solely on genre. Jazz has been around for a century now and encompasses a massive range of musical styles, often within the same artist's repertoire, sometimes within the same album. You're not likely to pull your next favourite album out of the jazz section, but you can say the same about rock, dance, country or folk.

Anyway, good to see some favourite artists (Alice Coltrane, Jackie Mittoo) on this thread. Here are some of my faves - I've just realised they all sound a bit like good instrumental hip hop, but with a lot more going on.

Thanks for the gogo penguins tip... Just bought that and liking it.

Yes, kind of blue is a great first album, and if you like that, try Bill Evans live at the village vanguard.

It you want more up tempo modern stuff, you could do worse that Soil and Pimp Sessions.

can never figure out how someone can be into so varied a set of music.

For instance, from your list, I couldn't cope with indie, pop, rock (depends on definition, might be able to cope with some if influenced right).

Yeah, I typed something like that, but then thought, what's the point? You like too much music was a very odd thing to say...

Are Pepe Deluxe some sort of jazz (They have a member called Ja-Jazz!)? Don't know what else they fit into, but I love them

The thing is that Jazz ,like a lot of music forms, is a very broad church and has been going for over a hundred years, you can call something jazz that is completely unlike other stuff with the same label.I love the modern stuff like go go penguin as mentioned earlier as well as polar bear and melt yourself down,if you listen to a lot of stuff like prog rock it's basically jazz with too many twiddles.

I could certainly live without trad jazz. The Morris dancing of music 👿

I can go from Abba to Zappa in my music library,

I think waterboarding might be preferable to that for me.

Maybe you are listening to it rather than hearing ???

🙂

turnerguy I agree trad jazz is dogshit, its what happens when things get intellectual rather than from the heart

I can go from Abba to Zappa in my music library...
ZZTop...

I could certainly live without trad jazz. The Morris dancing of music

There's quite a bit of music in this thread that I'd say isn't jazz. Good, but not jazz. Not that it is often a clear or easy distinction to make...

There's only one band needed for all your jazz requirements:

Well, they sound like they're having a laugh, but the novelty wore off for me after about a minute.

This thread is somewhat depressing. Why does virtually nobody like jazz? They dismiss it after, it seems, listening to very little. Kind of Blue is a great album, but I'm sure you could enjoy jazz and not be taken with it. It's a bit like saying 'Tommy' is the greatest rock album (it may be) and dismissing rock if you don't love '1921'.
Abba and The Beatles, seriously??
Oh, the same is also true of classical music . You'll hear people say, "I like some classical, there's that piece in an advert for bread".

Not Jazz? I've enjoyed gigs with Gilad Atzmon, Soweto Kinch and others (including Chris Barber) but I still think that a most of the stuff referenced above owes its existence to Jazz.

I did tell Soweto Kinch's double bass player, Zoltan, that he needed a short piece of string from his left wrist to the head of his bass because when he was accompanying up the top end of the neck he was great but when he was soloing down the dusty end it wasn't.

gauss1777 speaks wisely.

Well, I was worried that my post sounded pissy. I'm no jazz expert, but I'm fairly sure if someone named their three favourite albums, then someone who knew their jazz could name a jazz album they'd like just as much. [now there's a challenge ; ) ].

Possibly for classical too.

I like Jazz. Having spent the last 20 years listening to Punk, its something a bit different. I wonder if it is music for musicians? As a guitarist/pianist/trombonist/bassist I find jazz very interesting.

I think a lot of people struggle with the idea of songs. Popular music gives us verse/chorus/verse/chorus, Jazz has more themes and solos. But yeah, Charles Mingus, goodbye pork pie hat or haitian fight song for me.

Anyway. Snarky Puppy. Just great...

[i] if someone named their three favourite albums, then someone who knew their jazz could name a jazz album they'd like just as much[/i]

What a silly idea! No way is that possible, you can't explain why someone can listen to some types of music and not others. I don't understand why it matters to you! I could post some music I bet you'd hate almost as much as I dislike jazz but I couldn't give a monkeys if you like it or not.
Music either speaks to you or it doesn't.
(this isn't meant to be pissy either 🙂 )

[i]Popular music gives us verse/chorus/verse/chorus[/i]
Not all of it.

Not Jazz? I've enjoyed gigs with Gilad Atzmon, Soweto Kinch and others (including Chris Barber) but I still think that a most of the stuff referenced above owes its existence to Jazz.

Yep, owing it's existence to jazz doesn't make it jazz. Jazz owes it's existence, and current form(s), to the blues, show tunes, and just about every other genre out there. There is a lot of music influenced by, and in the style of, jazz, but which isn't.

How about some Donny McCaslin? Made more famous for performing on Bowie's last album, but a great song writer and performer.He works with some outstanding musicians too.

(Play em loud)

Exactly. Not listened to the above yet, hotdesking with a shite laptop not being the ideal setting. I don't think there's ever been a strict definition of jazz has there? To be strict and definitive would probably be to missing the point somewhat. I mean, even spinal tap had their free jazz set...

This is an amusing attempt to get to the bottom of society's arms-length fascination with jazz, with contributions from Stewart Lee and others. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07q7lzc