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I had a bottle of Jam Shed Malbec yesterday evening with my Sunday dinner.
Now it's not to everyone's taste but I like it.
Anyway, I had a very unsettled sleep, with some very vivid and weird dreams. I'm sure this has happened when I've drank it before.
Don't get the same effect with other wines or alcohol in general.
Is there some weird shit in it, compared to other reds?
Had a look online and couldn't find anything.
Some links saying it contains a lot of sugar but others saying it contains none?
I had a bottle
did you have all of it ?
If so I'm not surprised you had a poor sleep !
Drink is bad for quality of sleep anyway but my partner had to give up booze, even as quite a moderate drinker, becuase it suddenly started to really affect her sleep. Half a glass could muck up her sleep for two or three nights.
did you have all of it ?
If so I’m not surprised you had a poor sleep !
Yes I did. It's the same as 4 pints of beer. Not an absolutely huge amount of alcohol. YMMV.
Other red wines don't seem to bother me.
Whilst a lot of reds have sulphites, lots of Austalian wines have an especially high sulphite content and again, especially those which are selling on strong flavour or colour. Sulphites can significantly effect digestion, sleep and can cause headaches.
As above, better wine, often organic will make a difference.
Obviously depends on how much you drink, as I've had less than 4 pints over the last 8 years, as I don't drink...
Have another bottle tonight and let us know your findings.
Lots of ‘affordable’ wines are off our list for causing bad sleep, trippy dreams and headaches. There are a few that don’t though but it took a bit of work
I think the conclusion from this is that you should stick to drinking good quality wine with reputable provenance, rather than some strange mix from various countries and sources.
Or you can drink something that you like...
Love Jam Shed but the Shiraz rather than Malbec. Doesn't affect me any more or less than anything else.
Yes!
But for me it's all red wine sadly, enjoyed a nice Shiraz-Cabernet at the weekend but it ruined my sleep (after 2 glasses). I get this with my usual Merlot as well though
Interested in observations about quality, I'm strictly in the £7.50 - £10 supermarket wine bracket because I doubt I would appreciate anything more expensive, but if I thought it would disrupt my sleep less...
Lots of ‘affordable’ wines are off our list for causing bad sleep, trippy dreams and headaches. There are a few that don’t though but it took a bit of work
Could you suggest one that didn't cause bad sleep?
Watching this, as I ain’t giving up booze but similarly not giving up sleep. Mostly white / rosé here but keen to learn if there are patterns (e.g. sulphites)
I drink red wine every day, thankfully never disturbs my sleep. Cheers
Party getting old, part a factor of drinking red wine.....I have to schedule drinking it now, day after is usually approaching write off even if I'm only having a couple of glasses. Booze in general has a diabolical impact on my sleep.
Yes I did. It’s the same as 4 pints of beer. Not an absolutely huge amount of alcohol. YMMV.
Other red wines don’t seem to bother me.
It is alot of alcohol though.
The notion of one glass of red being good for you has been well dispelled. And its now understood that even very small levels of alcohol have a negative effect.
It is alot of alcohol though.
To you maybe.
Not trying to claim it's healthy, alcohol is a poison. That's not up for debate.
However, most people who go to the pub on an evening will probably drink more than 4 pints.
if I go to watch a football match in the pub, I'm probably there for about 2.5 hrs, typically would have 5 or 6 pints in that time. The same for the majority of people in there. Don't go as often as I did, mainly because it's around £5 or £6 for a decent beer.
The vast majority of people who regularly drink, drink in excess of recommended limits.
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To you maybe.
Not trying to claim it’s healthy, alcohol is a poison. That’s not up for debate
If it came across as judgemental that wasn't my intention. I had a hangover on Sunday.
But its absolutely plenty to have serious effects on your sleep.
You're in the "must have had a bad pint" zone here rather than just facing its quite alot of alcohol.
And if you are going less often aswell thats going show as more of an affect when you do.
However, most people who go to the pub on an evening will probably drink more than 4 pints.
if I go to watch a football match in the pub, I’m probably there for about 2.5 hrs, typically would have 5 or 6 pints in that time.
Not my circle of pals. And post 40 my tolerance of alcohol changed - from disturbed sleep to hangovers when before I would not have had them.
Some stats here I have not yet waded through.
https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/research/alcohol-facts-and-data/alcohol-consumption-uk
I’m strictly in the £7.50 – £10 supermarket wine bracket because I doubt I would appreciate anything more expensive,
I don't know anything about wine but there was an interesting thing in the paper the other day:
Fixed costs such as bottles and shipping duty will come to about £2.70 a bottle plus VAT. At £4.95, the value of the wine is less than the value of the bottle and VAT...For a £7 bottle, Mansour says 10% will go towards the wine, which “still isn’t enough”. “My advice is to spend between £8 and £15, the higher the better. The sweet spot is £12. Compared with a £7 bottle, a £12 bottle gets you four times as much value – a better return on your investment in terms of the wine’s taste, quality and balance."
Jam shed specifically, is awful for sleep, in my opinion/experience. we wont touch it anymore.
ive heard its to do with sulphites. I dont know what a sulphite is.
I sadly gave up on red wine about 6 months ago. I absolutely love the taste of it, but about a year ago I started getting worse and worse hangovers after only having had a couple of glasses. Eventually, just one small glass and I'd be wrecked the next day. I'd drunk it for years before that, with no issue. Beer, white wine and whiskey - all in moderation I'm fine with. I used to love Port but I fear it will have the same effect, so haven't dared risk a skull crushing hangover to find out. Can anyone recommend a low sulphite red wine I can try in the hope I can bring this small pleasure back into my life?
I avoid red wine in general for sleep issues. Wake up in the early hours, feel rubbish, lie awake feeling rubbish for a couple of hours, get to sleep, wake up at usual time feeling rubbish for the day. The enjoyment does not outweigh the downsides.
Jam Shed wine is vile. Possibly good for treating fence panels, but not much else.
I can’t stand jam shed, but I’d didn’t come here to judge your taste. But it’s definitely a very high sulphite wine, judging on that flavour - which is coincidentally why I don’t like it. And any high sulphite wine gives me various problems.
"Jam Shed wine is vile. Possibly good for treating fence panels, but not much else."
Got to admit I fell about laughing when I read this...
I wouldn't waste my time with wine that's been shipped halfway round the world, when we are next door to some of the best wine-producing countries in the world. That's not to say I wouldn't drink, say Aussie wine if I was living there (I did and enjoyed it).
Lots of high alcohol (>13%) new world wines do this to me, or give me stinking hangovers that just don’t occur with less industrial wines. I think they’re heavily bolstered with crap sherry.
that and the fact that as I get older I can’t process the aftermath as well, despite knowing to pre-load myself at bedtime with sis tablets and brufen.
I like a Jam Shed too. Fight me.
have you tried Buckfast?
Certain beers like Jaipur do that to me ?
I don't know if it's the sulphites messing folk up or not, but there are plenty of wines with no additional added sulphites. You can't get sulphite free afaik, as it's naturally occurring, but certainly less. Got one here - Nanit Natural Bobal 2023. It's good (light, fruity. Not a malbec replacement though).
Why do teetotal temperance types bother to open a thread about alcohol?
Is it so they can be pious and waffle on about how they don't drink? Well I'll tell you
something for nowt - you're very boring.
Like going onto a SAAB forum and saying I don't drive and have never driven a SAAB,
Sad.
Gotta agree with Derek on this one.
Why do teetotal temperance types bother to open a thread about alcohol?
Is it so they can be pious and waffle on about how they don’t drink?
Out of interest, who are the "teetotal temperance types" in this thread? I haven't seen any posts that meet that description tbh. Or anyone who says they don't drink?
Why do teetotal temperance types bother to open a thread about alcohol?
Is it so they can be pious and waffle on about how they don’t drink? Well I’ll tell you
something for nowt – you’re very boring.
I'm with you, it's the forum equivalent of the boring spods who hang around in the background at parties while the rest of us get into the booze and have proper fun.
If you don't like drinking, how on earth do you enjoy riding a mountain bike? Losers... NOT DRINKING IS BORING!
More seriously, I think people are just trying to help the OP work out why drinking a single bottle of wine would impact on his sleep. Generally drinking small amounts this like has a very limited impact on sleep, so you have to think it's something specific to the type of wine. Interestingly there's a GCN video where Dan Lloyd looks into alcohol including its impact on sleep.
His tongue-in-cheek conclusion was that it's best to drink with as long an interval as possible before bedtime, so ideally with or before breakfast, yeah right. Anyway, I think it's quite a balanced take from someone who enjoys a drink and is not going to give it up. And why should he?
Like going onto a SAAB forum and saying I don’t drive and have never driven a SAAB,
Like going onto a thread about someone having problems with their Saab and seeing if you know the answer even if you don't own a Saab, more like...
To the OP, try two bottles and assess resulting sleep. One may not be enough for a good nights sleep. 🙂
As an aside, I don't like Jam Shed. One of the VERY few I won't drink again. But each to their own.
Can’t comment on Jamshed wine, but a dram of talisker scotch puts me into a seriously foul mood, don’t get it with cheap blends!
The occupational therapists giving a return to work course to long Covid sufferers for my local foundation trust suggested restricting drinking to no later than lunchtime for the sake of sleep quality. I thought this was hilarious, but perhaps a bottle of Jam Shed would go down better with breakfast or lunch. Food for thought.
Quite tempted to try this wine next Friday, for the sake of science. Haven't had a decent dream for ages.
I think the conclusion from this is that you should stick to drinking good quality wine with reputable provenance, rather than some strange mix from various countries and sources.
I've never had Jam Shed (the name would put me off plus I'm not keen on Malbec) but apparently it is from Mendoza in Argentina which is typical Malbec country.
However, most people who go to the pub on an evening will probably drink more than 4 pints.
if I go to watch a football match in the pub, I’m probably there for about 2.5 hrs, typically would have 5 or 6 pints in that time. The same for the majority of people in there.
I honestly think it’s nearly 40 years ago, maybe more, since I drank more than two pints of an evening. I don’t know anyone who drinks that much. I couldn’t drink 5-6 pints and be able to walk home! As I often drink outside of town, two is an absolute maximum.
I bought a bottle of Yellowtail Jammy Red Roo a couple of weeks ago, something I rarely do, and I made that last three evenings. A wee bit rich, I’ll get something a bit different next time, but if I drink wine it’s always a red. No disturbed sleep, quite the contrary. ?
Why do teetotal temperance types bother to open a thread about alcohol?
Is it so they can be pious and waffle on about how they don’t drink?
Said like someone who's never been on this forum before.
Did you never actually notice that pretty much any thread ever posted here attracts people who know nothing or are diametrically opposed to the original premise. i could, for example, post a thread titled, for example, 'I ate an entire e-bike in one sitting and now I have bad indigestion and feel like grim death, any idea why?' and within ten posts, someone will pop up to say that e-mtbs are the devil incarnate, anyone who rides an e-mtb is a fat, lazy slob and they are unreliable pieces of overpriced garbage.
None of which is strictly relevant, but that's how it goes and mostly is factored in.
I have reread the thread and can't see anyone say anything about abstaining?
What i said was a bottle of wine was plenty enough to mess up your sleep. Factoring all the variables, emotional state, tiredness etc it could easily do weird stuff to your dreams.
And hunting for other reasons is a bit like blaming your epic two dayer hangover on a bad pint.
It is known to me as "Jam Shed Poor", in a cunning play on words re Jamshedpur.
And still no-one has adequately explained why drinking a small bottle of red wine would impact sleep.
I'd like to propose an alternative explanation, which is that it could be coincidence and nothing to do with the wine whatsoever. Sometimes people just have random, vivid dreams and disturbed sleep.
And still no-one has adequately explained why drinking a small bottle of red wine would impact sleep.
Apart from you? Or rather Dan Lloyd in the video you posted?
And still no-one has adequately explained why drinking a small bottle of red wine would impact sleep.
Google says it has 9.4 units of alcohol in it. I think that provides adequate explanation surely. I love a few glasses of wine, beer, gin and whisky, pretty much most booze, but have realised as i get older that any more than 3 or 4 units, whatever the tipple, messes big time with my sleep.
Apart from you? Or rather Dan Lloyd in the video you posted?
That was the other me.
My point is that regardless of that, coincidence is not causation. The OP needs to glug at least one more bottle of Jam Rolypoly and see if the same thing happens. If it does, it may be that simply drinking more of it, say two or three bottles, prevents it from happening. Only through extended experimentation can we be reasonably sure.
Maybe its all the sugar in it. Its soo sweet....
yep, my partner for some reason loves this and the 19 crimes stuff too. gives me way worse hangovers than the wines i like (lighter rhones)
Maybe you're lactose intolerant and reacting to all the milk in it? Cheese gives you mad dreams after all!
I googled sulfites in wine, and I think sweeter wines (more sugar) and 'new world wines' (from further away, more travel time) require more sulfites to keep them stable and palatable?
My 'Kingpin' is from Spain but quite sweet still, so I guess I should experiment with something less sweet and from as close as possible (and ideally £15/bottle).
Also for what it's worth I'll join the abstinent killjoys, a whole bottle to myself in a single night is definite shit sleep/hangover territory no matter what the wine, am astonished that's considered 'not a lot'!
Edit: dammit, thought smileys were working again...
"And still no-one has adequately explained why drinking a small bottle of red wine would impact sleep"
LOL
My wife says that she gets on better with low- and no-sulphite wine from the posh biodynamic wine shop up the road. I'm not completely convinced but it's interesting wine and usually far better than the stuff I would have bought so I don't complain.
My ability to cope with alcohol has certainly diminished over the years. Which is probably no bad thing as it's helped encourage me to cut down a bit.
And still no-one has adequately explained why drinking a small bottle of red wine would impact sleep
Not sure about the "why", but alcohol definitely has an impact on sleep quality. If you've got a Garmin (or whatever) and you wear it 24x7, you can clearly see when your sleep score drops after having a drink or two. (And it really is a drink or two - a full bottle of wine would be more than enough to have an impact).
anyone who rides an e-mtb is a fat, lazy slob
If you had eaten a full-fat e-mtb all by yourself in 1 sitting then that statement would probably be accurate!
The issue is likely to be caused by a lot of sulphates in the wine - this isn't a new thing, but wines with a lot of sulphates can cause issues - like very blocked sinuses, disturbed sleeps, thumping headaches. If you can find a wine with less sulphates then you shouldn't feel quite so bad after drinking it.
What the flip is Jam Shed?
Oh?
Nevermind.
They're a bit cagey on their alcohol content.
As for sulphites, they're complicated.
^^^
Google says it has 9.4 units of alcohol in it.
thumping headaches
Absolutely searing headaches here on occasion. And not hangover type headaches, almost instantaneous "turn of the lights" head shrinkingly bad ones.
The same as if you open a pack of beta bisulphide to sterilise bottles
like very blocked sinuses
Bingo! I've been getting sinus symptoms that the GP put down to 'allergic rhinitis' but I've never been able to pin down what I'm allergic to! (the symptoms aren't that bad so I've been a bit lazy trying to figure it out).
Definitely worse after booze but I've never made a note of what booze exactly...
Have you tried the Aldi rip off as a comparison? They’ve not exactly made much of an effort in hiding their impersonation, but apparently it’s the sincerest form of flattery
I don’t have a sweet tooth at all and find Jam Shed a bit sugary, personally, but that’s just me. I didn’t know they did a Malbec as well as the Shiraz. I’ll have to give it a go… purely in the interests of scientific research, obviously 😀
Until recently i drank every night and never had a sleep problem. For lardy fat boy reasons i stopped drinking mid week. Now when i drink at the weekend i get a crap nights sleep. I want a refund.
mogrim
Not sure about the “why”, but alcohol definitely has an impact on sleep quality. If you’ve got a Garmin (or whatever) and you wear it 24×7, you can clearly see when your sleep score drops after having a drink or two. (And it really is a drink or two – a full bottle of wine would be more than enough to have an impact).
Odd thing is I've found the opposite!
My last alcoholic drink was Sep 27th and my sleep has been much worse according to my Garmin, I am also feeling really tired by mid afternoon so that would follow the sleep quality? No weight loss either despite replacing red wine with herbal tea's & my blood pressure has risen slightly.