Looking at the 180bhp 2.0 filthy diesel or the 238bhp 2.0 filthy diesel & one of my concerns is fuel economy.
Different reports on the subject are just that, different, so looking at real life reports. Will I get 45mpg or more on a long journey with either?
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I have had one since November last year, mine is a D200 MHEV, so newer engine compared to the ones you have mentioned. I have covered just over 10k miles, most of the miles have been long drives on the motorway. On a long run it is fairly easy to get over 50mpg, I think the best I have had is 55mpg driving steadily for a couple of hours. Loaded with three bikes on the back plus roof box and bike on roof it does around 40mpg on the motorway. Short journeys around town, or stop start driving tends to be around 40mpg as well.
Great car to drive. The interior of the newer model is a big step up from the preface lift model, and worth considering if it fits within budget.
No personal experience, but have you see Honest John's Real MPG? Looks like a manual 180 should be better than 45 mpg but the 4WD and auto versions may struggle
Both the 4wd? If so, probably not. More likely with the 2wd 180bhp.
A friend has the 5.0 supercharged V8. Apparently it's not very economical, so don't get that one.
Hope that helps!
My neighbour swapped his (not sure of the spec) for one of the big minis. says everything about it but the badge is better.
My neighbour swapped his (not sure of the spec) for one of the big minis. says everything about it but the badge is better.
The budget holder for this car wants an F Pace, so an F Pace she'll have.
My neighbours son had an F Pace, said it was terrible. Always back at Jaguar for electrical fixes
On the other hand, I’ve had mine nearly 6 years and it hasn’t missed a beat. Coolant reservoir cap was replaced at first service under a recall but that”s been it. Eats rear brakes though if you do lots of country roads, as it brakes the inside wheel to help turn if you’re a bit spirited.
The friend mentioned in my earlier post is on his 3rd Jag and 2nd F pace in a row with no complaints.
Guessing the 2l diesel will be the same engine as the 2l Disco 5 - if so, avoid like the plague. The LR FB page is littered with horror stories of catastrophic engine failures. Not just the usual "you only hear bad news", they really are bad
...as it brakes the inside wheel to help turn if you’re a bit spirited
That sounds like the Dynamic Stability Control taking over because of understeer.
Either you have a DSC fault or you are regularly losing control of the car and handing over to Jaguar electronics.
Either way you need to be less "spirited" until the issue is understood 🙂
Eats rear brakes though if you do lots of country roads, as it brakes the inside wheel to help turn if you’re a bit spirited.
My days of ‘spirited’ driving are long gone, hence the fuel economy question.
We’re currently running a 13 plate Xtrail which has been a great tow car for the caravan, albeit a bit ‘agricultural’. It’s the 170 bhp version & seeing as we’re probably going to upgrade the caravan next year I want at least a bit more poke, I want to get going from junctions & traffic lights & not hold people up. 😇
4 wheel drive is handy for when I park on the grass too.
The budget holder has sat in an F Pace & likes it.
I imagine the ‘catastrophic engine failures’ are the ones with the snappy crankshaft problem? If so I wonder why they’re so popular.
Looks like a manual 180 should be better than 45 mpg but the 4WD and auto versions may struggle
Even if it's a torque converter gearbox it's now an 8 speed. It's always struck me that, at the very least for DSG gearboxes, real world mpg is probably better for an auto box than a manual. They weigh a bit more, but for VW DSG it's only about 30kg (less than the difference between a full and empty fuel tank) and they tend to drive a lot more 'efficiently' than you ever would manually - it shifts up the gears much quicker than you ever would in a manual.
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Either you have a DSC fault or you are regularly losing control of the car and handing over to Jaguar electronics.
It's not a fault, it's just torque vectoring, Jaguar call it TVBB. It scrubs the inside brake slightly to prevent understeer.
@multi21 thanks for that, not a system that I'd heard of
From media.jaguar.com, "On entering a corner, the TVbB system can mitigate understeer by lightly and selectively braking the inside wheels to keep the car on line." which is similar to DSC
IMHO a driver needs to be less “spirited” because driving in that way is inducing understeer which relies on electronics to mitigate, not to mention that it "Eats rear brakes"
timba
Free Member@multi21 thanks for that, not a system that I’d heard of
From media.jaguar.com, “On entering a corner, the TVbB system can mitigate understeer by lightly and selectively braking the inside wheels to keep the car on line.” which is similar to DSC
IMHO a driver needs to be less “spirited” because driving in that way is inducing understeer which relies on electronics to mitigate, not to mention that it “Eats rear brakes”
Well kinda similar but DSC comes into play when you've lost control, or about to lose control.
This system is a way lighter touch than that, it just gently brakes the inside wheel during fast cornering. The idea is to simulate a limited slip differential, but with lower cost.
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but with lower cost.
... to Jaguar, but higher to the user (more brake wear).
It could be argued that if a car didn't understeer too much then there wouldn't be a need for a 'system' to try and rectify it!
