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Since a lot of threads on here revolve around the eating of biscuits or cake, do you think a Jaffa Cake is a cake or biscuit? I reckon they are cakes because of the name, but can see why they may fall into the 'biscuit' camp.
What's your view, good people?
cake I think, as proved by the tax man or something
the base doesnt crumble, so cake.
mmmmm cake
Yep - pretty sure they won a court case confirming it as a cake not a biscuit, which had some VAT implications.
Its a cake, as it goes hard/stale when its left out, biscuits go soft.
In the UK, value added tax is payable on chocolate covered biscuits, but not on chocolate covered cakes. McVities defended its classification of Jaffa Cakes as cakes in court, producing a 12" (30 cm) Jaffa Cake to illustrate that its Jaffa Cakes were simply miniature cakes. McVities argued that a distinction between cakes and biscuits is, among other things, that biscuits would normally be expected to go soft when stale, whereas cakes would normally be expected to go hard. It was demonstrated to the Tribunal that Jaffa Cakes become hard when stale. Other factors taken into account by the Chairman, Potter QC, included the name, ingredients, texture, size, packaging, marketing, presentation, appeal to children, and manufacturing process. Potter ruled that the Jaffa Cake is a cake. McVities therefore won the case and VAT is not paid on Jaffa Cakes in the UK
I think of them as more of a biscuit, or at least biscuit alternative. Thinks its to do with the shape/size/packaging.
If I eat cake, it will be in the form of a slab or wedge, never a little circular, battery packed item.
Cake is concidered an essential so you don't pay VAT on it, biscuits are not so you do.
I am of the belief that a cake goes hard when stale, a biscuit goes soft.
Edit: So therefore, a Jaffa Cake is a cake.
Interesting.
How about Tunnocks Tea Cakes - always seemed more biscuity to me. I can't imagine they would go hard when stale either.
So why can't they be 20% cheaper then?
They are.
The VAT man may say they're a cake, but they're kept in the biscuit aisle.
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[s]Interesting[/s] Tedious.
FTFY
I would have loved to see serious barristers and QCs arguing over Jaffa Cakes.. 🙂
They missed a trick though. Why didn't they sell 12" Jaffa Cakes?
Its a cake, as it goes hard/stale when its left out, biscuits go soft.
I do not understand this concept of "leaving out Jaffa Cakes" or "Jaffa Cakes going stale." How would you ever find out?
Yes, the real beauty of jaffa cakes is you can happily eat a box full and not feel queezy afterwards. The same cant be said for a pack of chocolate hob nobs or similar.
Who cares. They're awesome either way.
Its a VAT thing.
plus how on earth does anyone know about them going stale surely when they've been opened you eat them all......... 😯
Where do we stand on Beefcake?
Definitely Vat-able.....
Where would you stick the candle?
Where would you stick the candle?
One candle?
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Jaffa Cakes were released in 1927.
VAT was introduced to the UK in 1973.
McVities did fight, and win, a legal case to avoid VAT on Jaffa Cakes. However I think it's a bit silly to say that they were only called cakes to avoid VAT.
They [i]are[/i] cakes - the material they are made of is cake, not biscuit, so they are not [i]only called[/i] cakes. I'd be disappointed to get one for my birthday though, even if it had a candle
Who cares they're gross and like twinkies should be avoided at all costs
My grandad was one of the inventors of the jaffa cake, and he said on the subject "Of course it's a bloody biscuit. That's why they're in the biscuit box".
Cake - cakes go hard when left out biscuits go soft so its a cake.
. I'd be disappointed to get one for my birthday though, even if it had a candle
I wouldn't, I'd be made up.
My grandad was one of the inventors of the jaffa cake, and he said on the subject "Of course it's a bloody biscuit. That's why they're in the biscuit box".
If you put them in biscuit tins, they go hard and unpleasant. Well, less pleasant. If your grandad truly helped invent the mighty Jaffa Cake then I am forever in his debt; however, I'd respectfully disagree with his viewpoint.
Who cares they're gross
You're dead to me now.
it's a cake. It's even got 'cake' in the name - bit of a giveaway no? Love them 😀
Who cares they're gross and like twinkies should be avoided at all costs
You will be hearing from my lawyer.
Gan on Molly, grounds for divorce surely?
It's no coincidence that Jaffa Cakes share initials with other saviours.
What other saviours can there be besides iDave?
Jeremy Clarkson.
Cougar - MemberIf you put them in biscuit tins, they go hard and unpleasant.
You're making the schoolboy error of not eating them fast enough I think. There's barely even 2 mouthfulls in a box!
emma82 - Memberit's a cake. It's even got 'cake' in the name - bit of a giveaway no?
A Gary Fisher Cake also has cake in its name, and is neither cake nor biscuit.
You're making the schoolboy error of not eating them fast enough I think.
I believe I covered that in my first post here.
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Double post. Dagnabbit!
I can confirm they are indeed a cake as we make the flour for Jaffa Cakes (sole European supplier at that).
JL9 is the code & its grist is indeed that of a cake flour. Its called JL9 as that was the trial code, we went up to 15 before they decided that No 9 was the best 😕
The criteria for the flour is based around viscosity when mixed in very accurate amounts with a very accurate amount of water & then mixed in a Kenwood mixer for an exact amount of time, this is then tested in a extremely accurate machine or viscosity!
Well you did ask 😉
Viscous post that!
Is there VAT on a Fist Pie?
20% now, unfortunately. 😥